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[A.B.]

I still disagree.

You would be giving the side more ability to score goals. We already have a superb defence and to be honest, its hard to improve that defence, you would have to spend stupid money and i'd rather the stupid money be spent on a position that is in desperate need.

It would be stupid to think that Carragher and Hyypia will need no solid cover through out the season.

Joaquin is a good player but I don't agree with your comment "if we don't Joaquin we will never close the gap between Chelsea" or something along those lines. If we don't sign Joaquin which we will not (price is way too high and our interest could spark an interest from the likes of Madrid who can easily pay more money than we can) we can sign another player. Joaquin isn't the only good player on the planet.

Secondly if you think that all problems will be solved if we signed Joaquin then you must be having a laugh. It would solve the problem for the right wing but not for the left wing [I don't see Riise or Zenden as pernament solutions to that position], nor would it solve the problem of having good cover for our CB's.

I also am not too confident in Warnock, I just don't think he will be good enough to make an impact.

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I still disagree.

You would be giving the side more ability to score goals. We already have a superb defence and to be honest, its hard to improve that defence, you would have to spend stupid money and i'd rather the stupid money be spent on a position that is in desperate need.

It would be stupid to think that Carragher and Hyypia will need no solid cover through out the season.

Joaquin is a good player but I don't agree with your comment "if we don't Joaquin we will never close the gap between Chelsea" or something along those lines. If we don't sign Joaquin which we will not (price is way too high and our interest could spark an interest from the likes of Madrid who can easily pay more money than we can) we can sign another player. Joaquin isn't the only good player on the planet.

Secondly if you think that all problems will be solved if we signed Joaquin then you must be having a laugh. It would solve the problem for the right wing but not for the left wing [I don't see Riise or Zenden as pernament solutions to that position], nor would it solve the problem of having good cover for our CB's.

I also am not too confident in Warnock, I just don't think he will be good enough to make an impact.

Well said A.B!! His profile has been raised  hugely with talk of him going  here and there!
At this rate come the transfer window he'll be way overpiced.And raffa has shown already that he wont pay any more than  players are worth no  matter how promising they are!

[A.B.]

I think it's more likely that we will sign Simoa in January than Joaquin.

[66-1120597113]

shush ffs!!  U'll add another 2million to his price !

[banana]

A couple of good wingers is needed. But to say our defence is impeccable is a lie. Our right back is only OK, our left back is only OK, we have 1 good central defender and 1 not so good. We have a poor backup for right back and no backup for cental defence. We have to play in a special way to provide cover for our defence and deny the opposition 1 on 1 with a slow back line. We lie deep and can't put real pressure because if we try to do so other teams will just play a simple through ball and score.

[jonnymac1979]

For what my opinion is worth, I don't think Joaquin is over-rated.  He's as good as his reputation says he is.  Seriously, the guy can play. 

£20 million will be getting him on the cheap; of course, we are dreaming if we think we can get him for that price.  And the guy who posted before was correct, if it came down to a bidding war, we would be priced out of the market regarding our policy for signing players.

We just watched it happen point-blank with Michael Owen.

[Mikz]

It sounds bad  to hear of us blowing the money on one player...but if it came down to it and news came thru that we had just signed "Joachin" ...who would be unhappy? Id be absolutely delighted. Hes got the lot and real speed and power and much better than stelios or solano Its now or never rafa

[Liverpool 4 EVA]

For what my opinion is worth, I don't think Joaquin is over-rated.  He's as good as his reputation says he is.  Seriously, the guy can play. 

£20 million will be getting him on the cheap; of course, we are dreaming if we think we can get him for that price.  And the guy who posted before was correct, if it came down to a bidding war, we would be priced out of the market regarding our policy for signing players.

We just watched it happen point-blank with Michael Owen.

Absolutely....Of course Joaquín is not over rated.

Anybody who thinks he is doen't watch him regularly or has know clue about football.

He's worth MORE than 20 million in my opinion, not just because of his outstanding talent and unqieness, but also because he is still very young.

It's frightening to think he will probably get even better 

[jonnymac1979]

We forget that these players are people sometimes.  Why should this lad go anywhere?  From what I read he LOVES Real Betis.

Remember Matthew Le Tissier?  Talented to fuck, I recall the skint version of Chelsea were supposedly after him in the early-to-mid-nineties, but he wouldn't leave where his heart told him he belonged.

If I'm not mistaken Joaquin's from Seville, the same place that Jose Reyes is from, and as much as I think Reyes is a fantastic player for Arsenal, I wouldn't say on last season's reports that his head and heart were entirely based in North London, would you?  Again, just from going on what I've read reports from, the people of Seville are (in the League Of Gentlemen sense of the word.....apologies to those who haven't seen the great BBC comedy before) local and they don't take too well to unfamiliar surroundings.

I suppose it reflects well on Reyes that he's been successful at Highbury even with the problems he's faced at ths point.  Let's face it, the boy Reyes can play.  Even if some knob of a Spanish DJ demonstrated to everyone last season where his true loyalties lie.  The same criticisms have been spoken about about Joaquin when talk of him leaving Betis has arisen.  Joaquin's a local boy. 

Don't get me wrong.  Everyone who reads my posts knows how much I kiss Joaquin's arse as a footballer.  I think the guy is exceptional and he is first on the list of names I want at Anfield as potential future transfer targets.  Would he be successful at another club other than Betis though?  Reports say he's definitely knocked Chelsea back in the last twelve months, how long before the parasites from the Bernabau come calling? 

Only in the last fortnight he has said he would like to play for Liverpool should we come calling.  Was it propaganda before the Betis game though?

[woof woof !]

I still disagree.

I can't help you if you're uncooperative .

[JC_81]

I agree with a lot of Stu's original post about his assessment of the Houllier era etc, but I think it's slightly naive to think we're one player away from being a top, top team.  What Stu say's about missing out on Duff is true imo, he would have been the missing link, but Houllier had been in charge for a couple of years by that point and his ideas were well and truly instilled in the team.  The situation with Joaquin is different, Benitez is 1 year into his reign and although Joaquin would be a great signing, there are other areas that Benitez knows he needs to strengthen.

I agree that Hyypia is still one of the best defenders in the league, and I was arguing this point on here last week, but he doesn't have 50-odd games a season in him anymore and our cover for that position is weak (Whitbread not yet ready and Josemi and Traore not good enough at CB).  We need a CB, trouble is going to be getting someone good enough for LFC who will be willing to sit out most games initially. 

If we persist with 4-5-1, them we need someone like joaquin on the left as well.  Kewell has the ability, but you wouldn't like to bank on him getting back to the form he had at Leeds.  Most likely we'll need to buy someone.  Gonzalez?  Maybe

On top of that we need another top striker.  Cisse is not good enough imo.  With Crouch and Morientes similar in being back to goal strikers we need a pacey forward to offer something different.

So I'd say we need about 4 QUALITY additions in these areas before we can be a great side.  This will take a few years to do I think.  So in summary, do I want Joaquin?  Yes.  Do I think Benitez will spend all his budget on him?  No.  If he signed would he solve all our problems?  No.

[bigmick]

I agree with a lot of Stu's original post about his assessment of the Houllier era etc, but I think it's slightly naive to think we're one player away from being a top, top team.  What Stu say's about missing out on Duff is true imo, he would have been the missing link, but Houllier had been in charge for a couple of years by that point and his ideas were well and truly instilled in the team.  The situation with Joaquin is different, Benitez is 1 year into his reign and although Joaquin would be a great signing, there are other areas that Benitez knows he needs to strengthen.

I agree that Hyypia is still one of the best defenders in the league, and I was arguing this point on here last week, but he doesn't have 50-odd games a season in him anymore and our cover for that position is weak (Whitbread not yet ready and Josemi and Traore not good enough at CB).  We need a CB, trouble is going to be getting someone good enough for LFC who will be willing to sit out most games initially. 

If we persist with 4-5-1, them we need someone like joaquin on the left as well.  Kewell has the ability, but you wouldn't like to bank on him getting back to the form he had at Leeds.  Most likely we'll need to buy someone.  Gonzalez?  Maybe

On top of that we need another top striker.  Cisse is not good enough imo.  With Crouch and Morientes similar in being back to goal strikers we need a pacey forward to offer something different.

So I'd say we need about 4 QUALITY additions in these areas before we can be a great side.  This will take a few years to do I think.  So in summary, do I want Joaquin?  Yes.  Do I think Benitez will spend all his budget on him?  No.  If he signed would he solve all our problems?  No.

Pretty much sums it all up for me. Top post mate. 

[Chelsea forever.]

Would he be successful at another club other than Betis though?  Reports say he's definitely knocked Chelsea back in the last twelve months, how long before the parasites from the Bernabau come calling? 

Joaquin is a footballer and a good one that, he will be successful in almost any side as long as the formation is good and the players are good.

As for Madrid, its his deam to play there, but as long as Luxy is coach I dont see it happening. He has sold all his width and plays more of a central approach. I doubt he would have any use for Jaoquin, no matter how good a player he is. However, if Real continue to lose and Luxy goes then the new man in charge might just hand Joaquin his dream move.

[Chelsea forever.]

I think it's more likely that we will sign Simoa in January than Joaquin.

... and i think that would be a better solution - any day!

[stoney]

I think it's more likely that we will sign Simoa in January than Joaquin.

... and i think that would be a better solution - any day!

Why do you think that CF?