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[MSj.]

It sucks that if we win the Champions League we cant defend it ,maybe the FA should propose a playoff between the winners of the cup and the 4th placed team ,what do you guys think ?

[zarababe]

The FA's decision was made with the Bolton and Ars.e Chairmen casting a vote.. is this an objective decision... NO   

Real finsihed CL champions five years ago and finished 5th in La Liga.. what do the Spanish FA do.. enter Real    what do the English FA do.. plump for the weakest option..   once again the English mentality of punishing winners prevails.. they promote a the losing mentality.. 

On Talksport .. there is a lively debate on the issue.. the owner of the Welsh Champions has offered (on air) to play in a "play-off" against us should this scenario occur.. if the right financial package cud be agreed.   how sweet of them.. shame on the FA

Muppest and idiots... these ppl who run the game ... hope PArry is consulting his legal mates.. I say we should take legal action aganist UEFA.. 

[A.B.]

Zara it wasn't UEFA's decision so therefore you can't take legal action against them (clever ******), it was FA's decision. The UEFA gave the FA the power to decide who would go and who wouldn't.

However Everton still haven't clinched the fourth place. Mathematically we still have  chance to finish fourth at the end of the season.

[76-1115222408]

As zara says the vote consisted of 6 people two of which were chairman of bolton and arsenal.
Arsenal would object, cause if we got a place as winners it would mean us taking their place as AUTOMATIC qualifiers and the'd have to go thru qualifying stages.
And i thik that Bolton objected obviously in regard to them possibly come fourth, but also in case for some crazy reason that is used to put us in the CL next year, they somehow lose their uefa spot(i know this is unlikely, but hey what not cover your back if u were bolton!).

And of the 6 on the board four are from the Premier League, who had already said last month that fourth place would not be given up to accomadate possible CL winners!!  This is probably because they feel it will devalue their moneyspinner that is the Premier League, if u play 38games, but can just be bumped out of that spot for 'special circumstrances'.

But lets try and get fourth anyway AND win the Cup too, that way we have no worries and will shut EVERYONE up aswel.........We will remember this in the future though:angry:

Yea also did hear The TNS guy on the radio and i think that is great for them to offer a play-off if officially sanctioned and the right proposition put forward(MONEY!!).

[Paul C]

It p1sses me off cos this is a freak season and Everton will be fighting relegation AGAIN like usual, you only have to remember Wimbledon's season back in the mid 90's when they were 1st until Christmas then slipped to about 6th, teams should be in the CL because they deserveit and not just cos they have one good season, if you had the choice of giving a place to the holders or a sh1t3 4th place team who would you prefer to see in the CL representing the 'cream of Europe'? EXACTLY the holders everyday of the week!!

[A.B.]

Nobody remebers fourth place, just like nobody remebers second best. Everyone remembers the Champions, thats why we must win in Istanbul.

[A.B.]

Everton have conceded that Liverpool should be invited to participate in next season's UEFA Champions League, if they win this year's competition.

The two Merseyside rivals are battling for the fourth Premiership berth in next
term's Champions League following FA confirmation that league placing will determine the entrants.

The FA had been placed in the position of having to decide who would claim the fourth Premiership spot in next season's Champions League due to Liverpool's run to the final in this campaign.

No country is allowed more than four representatives in the Champions League and there is also no provision for the winners of the competition to be allowed to defend their title.

As it stands, Liverpool could beat Milan in the final in Istanbul later this month only to be denied the chance to defend their crown.

Everton currently occupy fourth spot in The Premiership and hold a three-point cushion over The Reds and also have a game in hand.

The Toffees are thankful The FA have cleared up the issue over who will join Chelsea, Arsenal and Manchester United in next season's Champions League.

But, while they are taking nothing for granted, Everton chief executive Keith Wyness revealed the club would wish to see Liverpool in the tournament as holders next term, if they see off Milan.

"Whilst we welcome the announcement from The FA regarding clarification on the fourth place qualification issue, we are still operating in a hypothetical situation with regards to Everton's position," Wyness told the club's official website.

"Despite what is a most intense local rivalry, we do believe that if Liverpool FC were to win this year's tournament they should be invited to return as holders.

"There are still crucial games left to play and we are fully aware that we have not yet claimed that important qualifying position."

[76-1115222408]

Thanks A.B for that....wheres that from blues website???

Good to see thats Evertons way of thinking, but do u think they are ust saying that to look good, seen as the deision has already been made??  or do u think its genuine??

[65-1114725958]

Absolute fecking scandal!

If we do win it and the blunoses finish 4th, Rick parry should put a major appeal in.

If We win the CL, thats a Ueafa competition. The league is an FA competition. If we win a Ueafa competition, we should have the right to be in it the next year AHEAD of any team in the premiership.

So are the FA saying that the 4th place team (everton) will have a better chance than the reigning champions.

SCANDELOUS!

[65-1114725958]

Zara it wasn't UEFA's decision so therefore you can't take legal action against them (clever ******), it was FA's decision. The UEFA gave the FA the power to decide who would go and who wouldn't.

However Everton still haven't clinched the fourth place. Mathematically we still have  chance to finish fourth at the end of the season.

Agree! they'll be lucky to get a single point from the last 3 games.

we need to win both of ours though. this should be an incentive.

i woouldnt worry, if we dont get 4th and do win the cup, we'll be remembered long after next seasons top 4 crash out of the CL again!

Ferguson has only got Man UTd once in 11 attempts!

Rafa.....1st time!  thank you!

[A.B.]

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wheres that from blues website???

No, its from Sky Sh1t.

[dim]

so... the FA have decided that the fourth champions league spot goes to 4th place in the league even if liverpool win the chamions league...

look at this FROM THE FA WEBSITE FOR LAST YEAR...



The FA CLAIM THERE IS NO PRECEDENT FOR THIS UNIQUE SITUATION.... yet last year, on there own website they say that should a team finish outside the top four AND win the champions league then they qualify and the fourth place go in the eufa cup...

full link

HERE

the FA will no doubt hide this link soon...

so let people know.. the FA HAVE moved the goalposts....

[el_stinger]

Its like when the country that wins the World Cup gets automatic qualification to the next world cup, they also took this away, making all the winner to compete in the group stages. However, there is going to have to be huge pressure on UEFA to allow the champion of the title to defend it, I think UEFA was passing the buck to the FA, allowing for the FA to make a decision. THis obviously backfired as UEFA put considerable pressure on the FA to allow the defending champions into the competition. Therefore, there UEFA needs to step into this issue, and make a firm stance on THEIR view, and not pass the buck.

[LiverpoolMadman]

Wrong decision made by the FA. We should at least have a playoff with everton if they win 4th spot and we win CL in the Final.

So what is the different between winning or losing in CL and not playing in CL next season ? What is that to play for ?

[dim]

as i say.. from the above picture and link, the FA policy a year ago was CLEAR...

if a team outside the top four wins the champions league the fourth placed teams drops into the eufa cup... if it was the guideline last season why have things changed...

The FA have failed to follow THERE OWN guidelines... !