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Postby Boocity » Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:10 pm

Lallana in Pyjamas » Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:42 pm wrote:
Reg » Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:12 am wrote:
Lallana in Pyjamas » Sat Nov 23, 2019 3:59 am wrote:As I posted in another thread

No self respecting Liverpool fan should ever vote for a party that attempted to destroy our city - those disgusting words - managed decline


London centric tories - the rich get richer whilst the poor go to food banks

You're living in the past, today's problems need solutions now... you build for the future now, stop crying into your milk about 40 years ago.  :help




You go and tell that to people who got screwed over by the Tories during those years - and build for the future ?!! Only if you live in London - Tory *****


I bet you're some middle class left wing guardian reader who likes to identify with the working class. I actually did my apprenticeship on the dock road in the 80's. I know what happened to the docks and it was more to do with the EU and more and more  goods going through Europort in Rotterdam than the Tories that killed off most of our shipping business.
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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:48 pm

Boocity - New Labour were following Thatchers ''the market knows best' dogma just like conservative governments of the 50's and 60's generally followed the lead of the Attlee government.
In fact as bad as they were thank Christ it was New Labour and not the Tories who were in power back then, the Tories actually wanted to go even further and heavily criticised Brown for not deregulating the financial sector enough! We would have been in an even worse mess.
The markets were let off the leash and they nearly took western civilisation off a cliff, even when they were bailed out they couldn't help stuffing their own pockets at the taxpayers expense, the world needs politicians like Corbyn and Sanders to restore the regulations that were introduced in the 20's and 30's after the last time the markets led the world to the brink of ruin.
I did write a more detailed post but that stupid you can only embed 3 posts thing fvcked it up. This is the abridged version.
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Postby Lallana in Pyjamas » Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:03 pm

Boocity » Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:10 pm wrote:I bet you're some middle class left wing guardian reader who likes to identify with the working class. I actually did my apprenticeship on the dock road in the 80's. I know what happened to the docks and it was more to do with the EU and more and more  goods going through Europort in Rotterdam than the Tories that killed off most of our shipping business.



Far from middle class and certainly not left and can’t recall ever reading the Guardian because did have an uncle who gave up on life during the 80’s when Thatcher and her Tory scum were only interested in finance and London whilst our industry was left to rot.
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Postby Reg » Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:07 am

Lallana, Yakka is an active thinker and debater, he's articulating why he supports labour. You have shown 2-3 times that you're stuck in the 80's and Thatcher's tory scum. Move on mate, the country is faced with a massively important period of change with Brexit and remodelling our political and economic strategy and you're still stuck in a rut 40 years ago. Someone's left behind and out of touch.
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Postby Lallana in Pyjamas » Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:32 pm

Reg » Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:07 am wrote:Lallana, Yakka is an active thinker and debater, he's articulating why he supports labour. You have shown 2-3 times that you're stuck in the 80's and Thatcher's tory scum. Move on mate, the country is faced with a massively important period of change with Brexit and remodelling our political and economic strategy and you're still stuck in a rut 40 years ago. Someone's left behind and out of touch.


I don’t support Labour


And the last 8 years under  Tory government with cut after cut after cut whilst the poor continue to struggle , food banks on the increase , more and more homeless ,400k pensioners into poverty ,


Here are some more facts under the latest scum government

1000% increase in foodbank use.
Rough Sleeping increased by 165%
Homelessness increased by 41%
NHS waiting lists increased by 65%
Police numbers down by 17%
Crime recorded in England and Wales increased by 37%
Local Government funding down by 56%

During the same time the rich are still getting rich under Tory rule but then that’s the Tories for you

And that’s without their ignoring of Hillsborough , the “managed decline of Liverpool “.
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Postby Reg » Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:24 am

And you can't get past the headlines mate.

I can't really be arsed explaining every point however..... NHS patient numbers are rising every year as folks now go to hospital "more regularly" : https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publicatio ... ng-changes   Our parents didn't go to hospital unless it was absolutely necessary, folks today see it as part of their 'right' no matter how necessary. 

“Since 2010, one million people have been lifted out of absolute poverty and employment is at a record high with over 3.2 million more people in work – equating to an extra 1,000 people employed a day, every day.

"Meanwhile we continue to spend £90 billion a year on welfare to support those who need it most. The best way to help people improve their lives is through employment, with people on universal credit moving into work faster and staying in work longer.”

So £137 billion NHS budget and £90 billion welfare (plus whatever else but I don't have time to look them up) = £227 billion propping up the population. Fark me... the government's become a charity. No wonder we don't have a defense budget, no wonder we have no pretense of being a world power because we're too busy nursing little johnny, no wonder all the refugees want to come here....

The Police budget was reduced due to the last Labour government's massive debt funded policies that nearly bankrupted the country. It was well publicised so why are you unaware? Police down, crime up - logical but it also depends on the type of crime. Local government budgets were reduced in the same austerity policies as the Police funding but 56%? really? How could a council operate on less than half it's previous budget unless of course the previous budget was based on spend, spend, spend to win votes?

We have full employment which demonstrates the economy is working well so naturally people are making money. Don't be so jealous of the rich getting richer, without the 'rich" (what a wonderful insult - You're rich! (oh thank you!) then jobs wouldn't be created. We've had this discussed before, the highest rate of income tax  is 45% for those earning £150,001 or more. That's not a lot if you live in London and have to pay a hefty mortgage. Then you pay massive indirect tax - VAT at 20%, stamp duty on house purchases, car/petrol taxes etc.. etc.. all which hit the richer harder because they have more disposable income. So add up income tax and indirect taxes and the filthy b@stard rich actually pay their share.... Yous don't think the tax man is any kinder to rich people than poor do you? He knows its a heck of a lot easier to raise money from one high income earner than get the same accumulated value from 2,000 low income workers. 

Hillsborough took place on 15 April 1989. the 2nd inquest when the truth was acknowledged was 26 April 2016 when they ruled that the supporters were unlawfully killed due to grossly negligent failures by police and ambulance services to fulfil their duty of care. In that 31 year period, the governments were 1985-1992 Conservative, 1997-2010 Labour, 2010 - 2016 Conservative. If this was a Tory 'cover up' then WTF about the 13 year Labour party rule under "call me Tony"? And the final, damning report came out under a Tory government so Labour did sweet fanny zippo to help their socialist brothers in Liverpool eh? The report details who is to blame.

As I said before, with 'scum' like Derek hatton ruling Liverpool and making it into a Trotsky thiefdom, any government of any colour would have done the same. Wasn't it "Tony" that threw Hatton out of the Labour party, were Labour pumping millions into Liverpool to repay Hatton's loyalty and help???????

Time to move on, this is 2019.
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Postby Lallana in Pyjamas » Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:07 am

“Reginald” ( good old Tory boy name )


I think you need to look at the political map in and around Liverpool - ask yourself why no Tory Councillor for 30 years , ask why a Tory major candidate picked up 3 % of the votes , why the only area where there is a Tory MP is the golf rich Southport

You tell people to get past history shows a complete lack of sympathy or understanding of what people went through but that’s expected from a Tory
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Postby Reg » Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:40 pm

In the 1945 election 8 out of 11 Liverpool MP's were Labour and it's been the same ever since so why do you think that's going to change? The demographic profile of the City is pure labour. It's not a question of sympathy or empathy, it's a question of having heard it 1,000 times and now time to move on. As I said before and you never replied to, the steel, coal, car making, shipbuilding towns had equally a bad decline as Liverpool, it's not that everyone else was basking in sunshine.  Don't know how old you are but if you were around in the late 70's then you'd know the whole country was in decline, Liverpool didn't stand out.

Reginald is a cracking name mate, I suggest you call your first born the same when the happy day comes.
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Postby devaney » Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:46 am

I have worked in Liverpool all my life. During that time from the sixties I have witnessed the good the bad and the downright ugly. Politicians certainly haven’t helped and it doesn’t really matter which party you support. Unions certainly contributed towards the problems when they became far too powerful and basically held the country to ransom.

Let’s face it politicians will use whatever figures necessary to satisfy their agenda. Generally I find it very difficult to believe anything they say. The seventies represented a period I would not like to return to. As Woof said on another thread people have short memories.

I certainly haven’t relied on politicians, trade unions or other people to ensure that both myself and my family live comfortably in a pleasant area. My education wasn’t great which was partly down to myself. After leaving school I took on a very lowly paid job and worked my way up. Downright hard work and a will to succeed were my chosen options.The majority of today’s school leavers would turn their noses up at working for such a pittance which in today’s terms equates to approximately £70 per week !! My point is that it is all down to personal behaviour and the desire to better yourself and succeed. Begging, knife crime, gang warfare, poverty, vandalism, anti social behaviour, terrorism and bullying all existed when I was a teenager. No doubt that in some areas it has definitely got worse. I don’t blame politicians for any of this. I blame individual choices and a lack of personal pride. Just walk around the relatively new Liverpool One and look at the state of the extremely expensive walkways that are covered in chewing gum. This is one very simple example of unacceptable behaviour but what it does is tell you something about the individual that thinks it is acceptable to litter our streets with something that is incredibly expensive to remove. Nobody is to blame for this other than the idiot that was too lazy to find a litter bin. Don’t simply blame politicians for everything. Take a close look at personal behaviour, because that is the very cause of most of the problems we currently face in society. Just where is the sense of  pride and common decency ??
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