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Postby Emerald Red » Thu Nov 27, 2008 7:18 pm

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Sabre wrote:So many lives gone, so many families destroyed, so much hatred.

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Yeah, you wonder why.

No, not now.

When I want to discuss the situation in Lebanon or India, I'll get an Izzat, or one of my most knowledgeable guys about politics and we'll do a deep chat about it.

But with the corpses on front of me? No political analysis right now.

In the other hand, I don't feel like trying too hard to justify any violent killing. I'm Christian as you are, and killing is a big no no by default for me.

Meaning, Emerald, we could discuss long and deep about how complex is the world, but there are perhaps, better moments to do that that just the moment in which we know about the dead people. Right now all I have to say is the simple line you quoted.

You're absolutely right, Sabre.

The Jews have a saying that if you save a life, then you save the world entire. Shame that most politicians can't adopt that into their policies literally.
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Postby Emerald Red » Thu Nov 27, 2008 7:23 pm

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Emerald Red wrote:Why are people in this thread likening, or wanting, to connect the word Muslim to the word terrorist? I look at the word "terrorist" as a very incoherent and often dirty one anyway. It's often abused in its use, and the majority of the time by beaurocratic, suit-wearing hypocrites.

Quite fuc'king simple mate! :D
Because the kunts that are responsible are Muslim extreemist terrorists!

But they are not as extreme as most of the brainwashed others. These ones appear to have some kind of message they want the world to know, instead of simply being remembered as just eejits that blew themselves up and took out dozens of innocents. All kinds of sh*t like this happens for a reason. Be it just or unjust, they sure as hell didn't start the fire as Mr Joel says.

They are wanting fellow terrorists released from jail...that is their message..hardly worth killing innocents for is it?
They also deliberately tried to round up anyone with British or American passports to be slaughtered!
So far only one person from UK is confirmed dead..lots are injured but is has'nt said how many!
It does'nt matter were they are from,no one should have died!

These are not as extreme as others?WTF does that mean?
How much more extreme can you get than murdering people and killing yourself as well

When I said about them not being as extreme as the rest, I meant them not blowing themselves up. That's extreme as it gets. But they are f*ckin idiots anyway if they think they can do this if that's their demands. That never works out. More people will die, and they'll be amongst the dead too. It's ironic that Bush's war on terror is actually lending to creating more of it. War or terror. What a f*cking joke.
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Postby Number 9 » Thu Nov 27, 2008 8:05 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
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Emerald Red wrote:Why are people in this thread likening, or wanting, to connect the word Muslim to the word terrorist? I look at the word "terrorist" as a very incoherent and often dirty one anyway. It's often abused in its use, and the majority of the time by beaurocratic, suit-wearing hypocrites.

Quite fuc'king simple mate! :D
Because the kunts that are responsible are Muslim extreemist terrorists!

But they are not as extreme as most of the brainwashed others. These ones appear to have some kind of message they want the world to know, instead of simply being remembered as just eejits that blew themselves up and took out dozens of innocents. All kinds of sh*t like this happens for a reason. Be it just or unjust, they sure as hell didn't start the fire as Mr Joel says.

They are wanting fellow terrorists released from jail...that is their message..hardly worth killing innocents for is it?
They also deliberately tried to round up anyone with British or American passports to be slaughtered!
So far only one person from UK is confirmed dead..lots are injured but is has'nt said how many!
It does'nt matter were they are from,no one should have died!

These are not as extreme as others?WTF does that mean?
How much more extreme can you get than murdering people and killing yourself as well

When I said about them not being as extreme as the rest, I meant them not blowing themselves up. That's extreme as it gets. But they are f*ckin idiots anyway if they think they can do this if that's their demands. That never works out. More people will die, and they'll be amongst the dead too. It's ironic that Bush's war on terror is actually lending to creating more of it. War or terror. What a f*cking joke.

Tis a tricky subject and one we could talk about till doomsday and still get no where!
On one hand we have muslim extremists who's goal is to have everyone alive with the same beliefs as them.Then as you mention the war on terror,when invading countries seems to have made things worse in some parts!

At the same time though we cant expect these people not to be incarcerated for their crimes,so in this case i don't feel the war on terror has anything really to do with it!
It sounds like their main demand is for all Mujahadeen to be released from Indian jails.
Never gonna happen.There are still people being held hostage in a hotel which is surrounded by Indian special forces and they mentioned on the news that they have also got a Rabi and his family captive somewhere else in the city!
Fecking proper mental!
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Postby tubby » Thu Nov 27, 2008 8:15 pm

Emerald the problem is that like Britain, India is currently witnessing home grown islamic millitants. Just because they are not suicide bombers does not take away the right to label them as terrorists. Its bad enough that they are also right next to Pakistan and whole issue with Kashmir. India needs step up it's security big time though generally as they and china are going to be the next big suerpowers of the world. Having said that security at both the taj and oberie are normally high so it's obvious it was very well planned.
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Postby metalhead » Thu Nov 27, 2008 8:54 pm

Barry and Emerald, you both have good points.

Barry, I agree, those idiots, muslim extremists wants a world that share their beliefs. They believe that the '' people of the west'' worship false gods, i.e god of money, power, sex, alcohol, etc... Their cause is that they want to eradicate anyone believing in such ideals or transform the people in the world to follow muslim beliefs so they can live peacefully and happily.

On the other hand, Politics comes into this, you can't say politics has nothing to do with it, because it is mostly about politics. Agreed Emerald, Bush's administration made it worst, many and many terrorist groups formed after the invasion of Iraq and it also created alot of hatred towards Americans. The thing is though, if you look at past history, some of those terrorist groups were funded by the U.S and trained by the U.S! who do you think funded the Taliban during the Soviet - Afghan war back in the 80's?  Now the U.S are funding Muslim Sunni extremists in Iraq to fight Al-Quada! In the future those muslim groups will change their ideals, because they crave for power!

Oh and on the Mumbai situation, a real shame! just when people from both east and west try to amend their conflicts.
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Postby tubby » Thu Nov 27, 2008 9:43 pm

metalhead wrote:Barry and Emerald, you both have good points.

Barry, I agree, those idiots, muslim extremists wants a world that share their beliefs. They believe that the '' people of the west'' worship false gods, i.e god of money, power, sex, alcohol, etc... Their cause is that they want to eradicate anyone believing in such ideals or transform the people in the world to follow muslim beliefs so they can live peacefully and happily.

On the other hand, Politics comes into this, you can't say politics has nothing to do with it, because it is mostly about politics. Agreed Emerald, Bush's administration made it worst, many and many terrorist groups formed after the invasion of Iraq and it also created alot of hatred towards Americans. The thing is though, if you look at past history, some of those terrorist groups were funded by the U.S and trained by the U.S! who do you think funded the Taliban during the Soviet - Afghan war back in the 80's?  Now the U.S are funding Muslim Sunni extremists in Iraq to fight Al-Quada! In the future those muslim groups will change their ideals, because they crave for power!

Oh and on the Mumbai situation, a real shame! just when people from both east and west try to amend their conflicts.

Not to mention they also provided weapons to Iraq and Iran to kill each other off before. Politics is so heavily interwoven with terrorism its discusting. Afghanistan was only started so that the US could could get their mitts on all the natural resources of the Caspian sea - Oil, gas and others. Anyway we could go on forever talking about the whole war on terror but thats not what this thread is about. I feel bad for the people who have lost their lives and been injured.
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Postby metalhead » Thu Nov 27, 2008 9:49 pm

I heard israel (our beloved neighbors *insert sarcastic smiley*) sent  a rescue team to India to rescue the hostages in the jewish center.
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Postby SupitsJonF » Thu Nov 27, 2008 10:25 pm

metalhead wrote:I heard israel (our beloved neighbors *insert sarcastic smiley*) sent  a rescue team to India to rescue the hostages in the jewish center.

I was watching some military tests with Israeli special soldiers, would not want to fuck around with them.  They raised the temeprature of one of them to over 105 degrees, and he completed the course faster and accuracy was still dead on.
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Postby Emerald Red » Thu Nov 27, 2008 10:39 pm

Yeah, just send in a blond with big tits. Sorted.
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Postby maypaxvobiscum » Thu Nov 27, 2008 10:41 pm

Indian commandoes fought Thursday to wrest control of two luxury hotels and a Jewish center from suspected Muslim militants, a day after a chain of attacks across Mumbai left at least 119 people dead and the city shellshocked.
Gunfire and explosions were heard throughout the day and night from the besieged headquarters of the ultra-orthodox Jewish outreach group Chabad Lubavitch and the Taj Mahal and Oberoi hotels, two of the top gathering spots for the Mumbai elite. Throughout the day, commandoes brought hostages, trapped guests and corpses out of the hotels in small groups while fires erupted periodically and firefighters battled the flames.
State officials said 119 people had died and 288 were injured.
The well-planned attacks began Wednesday night and officials said the gunmen were prepared, even carrying large bags of almonds to keep up their energy during the fight. Their main targets appeared to be Americans, Britons and Jews, though most of the dead seemed to be Indians and foreign tourists caught in the random gunfire.
The gunmen — some of whom strode casually through their targets in khakis and T-shirts — clearly came ready for a siege.
"They have AK-47s and grenades. They have bags full of grenades and have come fully prepared," said Maj. Gen. R.K. Hooda. Vice-Admiral J.S. Bedi, a top naval officer.
Ratan Tata, who runs the company that owns the elegant Taj Mahal, said they appeared to have scouted their targets in advance.
"They seem to know their way around the back office, the kitchen. There has been a considerable amount of detailed planning," he told a news conference.
Throughout the day, black-clad Indian commandos moved through the two hotels room by room in a bid to free the dozens of trapped people.
The Maharashtra state home ministry said dozens of hostages had been freed from the Oberoi and dozens more were still trapped inside. More than 400 people were brought out of the Taj Mahal, and army forces were still scouring the building for survivors early Friday morning.
Late Thursday night, authorities said they had killed three gunmen at the Taj and were sweeping the Oberoi in search of hostages and trapped people.
It remained unclear just how many people had been taken hostage, how many were hiding inside the hotels and how many dead still lay uncounted.
There were conflicting reports about hostages at the Jewish center. A diplomat closely monitoring the site said people were still being held there, though an Indian state official said earlier eight hostages had been released. Both sources spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk to the media.
The diplomat said the eight people had likely been hiding in a nearby building.
On Thursday morning, a woman, child and an Indian cook were led out of the building by police, said one witness. The child was identified as Moshe Holtzberg, 2, the son of Rabbi Gavriel Noach Holtzberg, the main representative at Chabad house. The child was unharmed, but his clothes were soaked in blood.
Sandra Samuel, 44, the cook who pulled the boy out the building, said she saw Rabbi Holtzberg, his wife Rivka and two other unidentified guests lying on the floor, apparently "unconscious."
India has been shaken repeatedly by terror attacks blamed on Muslim militants in recent years, but most of those attacks have been coordinated bombings that struck random crowded places: markets, street corners, parks.
These attacks were far more sophisticated — and more brazen.
They began at about 9:20 p.m. with the shooters spraying gunfire across the Chhatrapati Shivaji railroad station, one of the world's busiest terminals. For the next two hours, there was an attack roughly every 15 minutes — the Jewish center, a tourist restaurant, one hotel, then another, and two attacks on hospitals. There were 10 targets in all.
Indian media showed pictures of black and yellow rubber dinghies found by the city's shoreline, apparently used by the gunmen to reach the area. Both of the luxury hotels targeted overlook the Arabian Sea, which surrounds the peninsula of Mumbai.
At the Chhatrapati Shivaji railroad station, a soaring 19th century architectural monument, gunmen fired bullets through the crowded terminal, leaving the floor spattered with blood and corpses.
"They just fired randomly at people and then ran away. In seconds, people fell to the ground," said Nasim Inam, a witness.
Analysts around the world were debating whether the gunmen could have been tied to — or inspired by — al-Qaida.
"It's clear that it is al-Qaida style," but probably not carried out by the group's militants, said Rohan Gunaratna, of the International Center for Political Violence and Terrorism Research in Singapore and author of "Inside Al-Qaida."
"Yesterday's attack is a watershed because for the first time, the terrorists deliberately attacked international targets," he said, noting that symbolic high-profile targets had been chosen, apparently to magnify the effects of the violence.
Indian media reports said a previously unknown group calling itself the Deccan Mujahideen claimed responsibility in e-mails to several media outlets. The Deccan is a region in southern India that was traditionally ruled by Muslim kings.
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh blamed "external forces" for the violence — a phrase sometimes used to refer to Pakistani militants, whom Indian authorities often blame attacks on.
"The well-planned and well-orchestrated attacks, probably with external linkages, were intended to create a sense of panic, by choosing high profile targets and indiscriminately killing foreigners," he said in address to the nation.
Survivors of the hotel attacks said the gunmen had specifically targeted Britons and Americans.
Alex Chamberlain, a British citizen dining at the Oberoi, told reporters that a gunman ushered 30 to 40 people from the restaurant into a stairway and ordered everyone to put up their hands.
The gunmen "stopped once and asked, 'Where are you from? Any British or American? Show your ID.' My friend said, 'Tell them you're Italian.' And there I was with my hands up basically thinking I was in a lot of trouble."
Chamberlain said he managed to slip away as the patrons were forced to walk upstairs.
One man brought out of the Oberoi, a who identified himself as a Pole but did not give his name, told reporters he had seen many bodies inside, but refused to elaborate, saying he had promised police not to discuss details of the rescue operation.
Among the dead were at least four Australians and a Japanese, said the state home ministry. An Italian, a Briton and a German were also killed, according to their foreign ministries.
At least three top Indian police officers — including the chief of the anti-terror squad — were among those killed, said Roy.
Among those foreigners still held captive in all three buildings were Americans, British, Italians, Swedes, Canadians, Yemenis, New Zealanders, Spaniards, Turks, French, a Singaporean and Israelis.
The United States, Pakistan and other countries condemned the attacks.
The motive for the onslaught was not immediately clear, but Mumbai has frequently been targeted in terrorist attacks blamed on Islamic extremists, including a series of bombings in July 2006 that killed 187 people.
Mumbai is one of the most populated cities in the world with some 18 million crammed into shantytowns, high rises and crumbling mansions.
India has been wracked by bomb attacks the past three years, which police blame on Muslim militants intent on destabilizing this largely Hindu country. Nearly 700 people have died.
Since May, a militant group calling itself the Indian Mujahideen has taken credit for a string of blasts that killed more than 130 people. The most recent was in September, when explosions struck a park and crowded shopping areas in the capital, New Delhi, killing 21 people and wounding about 100.
Relations between Hindus, who make up more than 80 percent of India's 1 billion population, and Muslims, who make up about 14 percent, have sporadically erupted into bouts of sectarian violence since British-ruled India was split into independent India and Pakistan in 1947.
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Postby metalhead » Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:08 am

SupitsJonF wrote:
metalhead wrote:I heard israel (our beloved neighbors *insert sarcastic smiley*) sent  a rescue team to India to rescue the hostages in the jewish center.

I was watching some military tests with Israeli special soldiers, would not want to fuck around with them.  They raised the temeprature of one of them to over 105 degrees, and he completed the course faster and accuracy was still dead on.

We f*cked around with them in 2006. :D
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Postby maypaxvobiscum » Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:15 am

Emerald Red wrote:Why are people in this thread likening, or wanting, to connect the word Muslim to the word terrorist? I look at the word "terrorist" as a very incoherent and often dirty one anyway. It's often abused in its use, and the majority of the time by beaurocratic, suit-wearing hypocrites.

no offence to any muslim but you dont see christian or hindu or taoist groups going on some form of jihad in the name of religion do you? its unheard of.
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Postby metalhead » Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:25 am

maypaxvobiscum wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:Why are people in this thread likening, or wanting, to connect the word Muslim to the word terrorist? I look at the word "terrorist" as a very incoherent and often dirty one anyway. It's often abused in its use, and the majority of the time by beaurocratic, suit-wearing hypocrites.

no offence to any muslim but you dont see christian or hindu or taoist groups going on some form of jihad in the name of religion do you? its unheard of.

He isn't debating that, he is debating the setreotyping that some people say about.

Like if someone is a muslim, then definetly he is a terrorist. People do say that.
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Postby maypaxvobiscum » Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:30 am

metalhead wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:Why are people in this thread likening, or wanting, to connect the word Muslim to the word terrorist? I look at the word "terrorist" as a very incoherent and often dirty one anyway. It's often abused in its use, and the majority of the time by beaurocratic, suit-wearing hypocrites.

no offence to any muslim but you dont see christian or hindu or taoist groups going on some form of jihad in the name of religion do you? its unheard of.

He isn't debating that, he is debating the setreotyping that some people say about.

Like if someone is a muslim, then definetly he is a terrorist. People do say that.

oh ok. my bad. i know not all muslims are terrorists. some are flowerkillers.
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