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[maypaxvobiscum]

why posters moan

1) they want the team to do better. otherwise they wouldnt be feeling the pinch. they wouldnt be so affected cause they really want to see the team succeed and when they dont, they get all nervous and scared that their stint at the top would come to an end. like Ciggy said earlier, the draws feel like a defeat. and its true because the level of expectations has grown each passing year and this year is especially important as nobody wants the mancs to win it otherwise we wont be able to call ourselves the most successful team in England.

2) what i noticed alot of times is that during a match thread, WHILE the match is being played, and something goes against us DURING the match, there are negative comments naturally but then once the dust  has settled and its over and done, and we grab a point, or we are still at the top, or we win, there will be CERTAIN posters (and you know damn well who you are) who will come and post out of the blue and lambast those who moan. stop being a hypocrite aye? i bet you werent all happy clappy when opponents score against us, you were probably cursing too. but when the final whistle is blown, and we win, we're all happy. no one moans or bitches so it annoys me a great deal to see these rose-tinted superfan brigade come on and act all holy and Mother Theresa like with their ''i told you so'' attitude slating off posters who were making negative remarks DURING the match, not after. if you cant understand that i suggest you people go get yourself a degree in psychology and human feelings.

3) the comment ''we are still top'' is a cheap one. yes we're still top but thats also due to our rivals dropping points. and even if they did drop points, that doesnt make it OK for us to drop points too. if we're gonna use them as a gauge and have a mindset where ''they dropped points too and we are still top'' you are living on the edge and its not a nice place to be in as it makes you all nervous and jumpy and when we drop points one would panic more then usual. and the thing is, as Saint said, being top now isnt as important as being league champions. just because we're top now doesnt mean we're gonna stay top. we cant keep expecting our rivals to drop points. that is why the attitude here after a draw is like we lost, because we missed out on a chance to increase and move away from our rivals. and then you have them posters coming on after the match with their egotistical attitude looking all pleased with themselves slating off the supposed moaners. for the record, for one's info, the moaners actually talk footie, as BigMick pointed out while the happy clappers will simply attack the poster and accuse them of being a manc or calling for Big Sam whatever bla bla. they dont actually debate their points at all or actually state the positives of the match. i'll give you an example, Number9. he is a positive person and ive never heard him say anything negative as long as its got nothing to do with Doss and Lucas. but even in the recent match against Hull he made a negative comment once or twice im pretty sure. that doesnt make him a moaner. he just wants and hopes for the best for the club he loves. the comments were made IN THE MOMENT while the match was going on.

i really dont think anyone wants to see us lose. we just want the best. and each individual has got a different method of expressing their frustrations and opinions. after all this is what forums are all about - opinions. so i suggest some of you stop trying to make it seem like you're a better fan and just accept not everyone thinks like you. no need to resort to abuse or name calling. and of course when an opinion is stated instead of questioning a question or opinion every other MOFO time, try talking about it and giving other suggestions. this forum has got really good posters so lets keep it that way.

[metalhead]

Good post maypax.

Its all about giving and taking. 

[NiftyNeil]

Good post maypax. A suggestion for the title as is <enter title here> :
Gay Etiquette.........giving and taking.

[Leonmc0708]

3) the comment ''we are still top'' is a cheap one. yes we're still top but thats also due to our rivals dropping points. and even if they did drop points, that doesnt make it OK for us to drop points too.

Its impossible to be top only due to rivals dropping points.

It does make it meaningless that we dropped points if NONE of our rivals made any ground.

[account deleted by request]

Good post Maypax. At times it does seem like some on here are more interested in promoting their image as a "superfan" rather than actually talking about the game. It wouldn't be much of a forum if everyone just came on said how great we are and left it at that.

To be fair some of the decent posters who are "optomistic" catch flack too, but in the main its the happy clappers that throw most of the insults while its the "doom and gloomers" who are insulted and abused for having an opinion.

Personally I just take everything said while the match is ongoing as "heat of the moment" and don't really pay much heed to it. Some of the most loyal Liverpool fans on the forum occasionally go over the top when we go a goal down, play poorly or struggle to score. Bav cracks me up every week in the match thread    but he's as happy as the rest of us once we are infront again.

I do agree though that the superfan business gets out of hand. While I don't really agree with slagging off players or manager, I see nothing wrong with saying a player was cr@p or Rafa made a bad decision. I would rather someone was honest about their opinions rather than hiding their true opinions because someone will abuse them rather than debate the football merits.

We have some top class posters from both sides of the divide and when they discuss football I find it very interesting and thought provoking. Too often though things are cut short because someone can't be bothered arguing against their view and just decides to hurl abuse at the poster instead.

[maypaxvobiscum]

agreed Saint, and once the abuse comes in the good posts are more or less buried. just because one has a different opinion which is supposedly negative doesnt mean it makes them any less of a fan.
Nifty, how about Chicken Soup for the Soul?

[Reg]

3) the comment ''we are still top'' is a cheap one. yes we're still top but thats also due to our rivals dropping points. and even if they did drop points, that doesnt make it OK for us to drop points too.

Its impossible to be top only due to rivals dropping points.

It does make it meaningless that we dropped points if NONE of our rivals made any ground.

Agree but this is the kind of crazy luck you need to win the league for teh first time in 19 years....

[account deleted by request]

3) the comment ''we are still top'' is a cheap one. yes we're still top but thats also due to our rivals dropping points. and even if they did drop points, that doesnt make it OK for us to drop points too.

Its impossible to be top only due to rivals dropping points.

It does make it meaningless that we dropped points if NONE of our rivals made any ground.

I still don't agree with you on this one Leon. The only time it becomes meaningless to gain points on your rivals is when you are so far in front that you can't be caught........ or they are!

If we had won we would have gained a little cushion against our rivals, just because they didn't take advantage of our poor result doesn't mean that it was meaningless.

I am sure if we lose the league by one point you won't be looking back at this draw and thinking it was a meaningless result.

At this stage of the season its all about accumilating the most possible points you can, if your rivals drop points all to the good, but you still need to get the points in the bag yourself.

[Leonmc0708]

3) the comment ''we are still top'' is a cheap one. yes we're still top but thats also due to our rivals dropping points. and even if they did drop points, that doesnt make it OK for us to drop points too.

Its impossible to be top only due to rivals dropping points.

It does make it meaningless that we dropped points if NONE of our rivals made any ground.

I still don't agree with you on this one Leon. The only time it becomes meaningless to gain points on your rivals is when you are so far in front that you can't be caught........ or they are!

If we had won we would have gained a little cushion against our rivals, just because they didn't take advantage of our poor result doesn't mean that it was meaningless.

I am sure if we lose the league by one point you won't be looking back at this draw and thinking it was a meaningless result.

At this stage of the season its all about accumilating the most possible points you can, if your rivals drop points all to the good, but you still need to get the points in the bag yourself.

ITs meaningless that we lost (potential) points.

[account deleted by request]

3) the comment ''we are still top'' is a cheap one. yes we're still top but thats also due to our rivals dropping points. and even if they did drop points, that doesnt make it OK for us to drop points too.

Its impossible to be top only due to rivals dropping points.

It does make it meaningless that we dropped points if NONE of our rivals made any ground.

I still don't agree with you on this one Leon. The only time it becomes meaningless to gain points on your rivals is when you are so far in front that you can't be caught........ or they are!

If we had won we would have gained a little cushion against our rivals, just because they didn't take advantage of our poor result doesn't mean that it was meaningless.

I am sure if we lose the league by one point you won't be looking back at this draw and thinking it was a meaningless result.

At this stage of the season its all about accumilating the most possible points you can, if your rivals drop points all to the good, but you still need to get the points in the bag yourself.

ITs meaningless that we lost (potential) points.

I think we will have to agree to disagree mate.

I just can't see how losing 2 points can ever be seen as meaningless. Or does that mean that if the mancs and Chelsea both lose next week we should put out the reserves, as our game becomes meaningless?

[Redman in wales]

3) the comment ''we are still top'' is a cheap one. yes we're still top but thats also due to our rivals dropping points. and even if they did drop points, that doesnt make it OK for us to drop points too.

Its impossible to be top only due to rivals dropping points.

It does make it meaningless that we dropped points if NONE of our rivals made any ground.

I still don't agree with you on this one Leon. The only time it becomes meaningless to gain points on your rivals is when you are so far in front that you can't be caught........ or they are!

If we had won we would have gained a little cushion against our rivals, just because they didn't take advantage of our poor result doesn't mean that it was meaningless.

I am sure if we lose the league by one point you won't be looking back at this draw and thinking it was a meaningless result.

At this stage of the season its all about accumilating the most possible points you can, if your rivals drop points all to the good, but you still need to get the points in the bag yourself.

ITs meaningless that we lost (potential) points.

I'm afraid I have to disagree on this one as well.

If, at the end of the season we win the league, then yes, they become meaningless.

If at the end of the season, Chelsea were to finish 4 points above us, and utd finish a point above us, then those 'dropped points' against hull, fulham, west ham etc are not meaningless.

[aCe']

3) the comment ''we are still top'' is a cheap one. yes we're still top but thats also due to our rivals dropping points. and even if they did drop points, that doesnt make it OK for us to drop points too.

Its impossible to be top only due to rivals dropping points.

It does make it meaningless that we dropped points if NONE of our rivals made any ground.

I still don't agree with you on this one Leon. The only time it becomes meaningless to gain points on your rivals is when you are so far in front that you can't be caught........ or they are!

If we had won we would have gained a little cushion against our rivals, just because they didn't take advantage of our poor result doesn't mean that it was meaningless.

I am sure if we lose the league by one point you won't be looking back at this draw and thinking it was a meaningless result.

At this stage of the season its all about accumilating the most possible points you can, if your rivals drop points all to the good, but you still need to get the points in the bag yourself.

ITs meaningless that we lost (potential) points.

thats twisted logic mate ...
its a league and you win by getting the most points so regardless of what the rivals do in the day you should simply aim for as many points as you can get and come the end of the season you see if you managed more points than the other teams did... 
Manutd drew against a team we lost to and chelsea drew with a  team we only manaed a draw against... its still not all rosy.. the only way ur logic applies is if you take opposition into consideration... even then it doesnt look too good for us since Manutd and Chelsea seem to drop less points than we do against the so-called smaller teams... if we were ever to build a gap going top of the table it would have been in the past few weeks... we lost an excellent chance of going a few points clear and even with Chelsea and Manutdd dropping points its still a matter of time in my books before we slip yet again and Chelsea or Manutd take advantage... could be as early as next weekend...
Its still too early to be talking about points dropped not costing us.. for now we need to be winning every game and hoping other results go our wy while doing so

[dawson99]

why posters moan?

Because we can!
FFS grow up everyone. There will be moaning. Even when win the league we'll be moaning about why it didn't go even better. If we didn't moan the site would suck.
(The Kuyt moaning is OTT tho, change the record sometimes)

[Rush Job]

Moaning is one thing and TBH its human nature, we always want that little bit more than we've got but abuse is another, a joke that misses the mark is easily forgiven but when rash comments are made for no other reason that to ridicule, hurt and/or get a rise out of another thats not on IMO and I sometimes wish the mods would be a little quicker to act, I'm not asking for cards galore just a word now and again to nip things in the bud because when I try and do it I get 2 pages of abuse for asking a question.
People need to be a little less selfish and realise this board is for everyone to try and enjoy their time here. Very few people come on here just to cause trouble but its up to the good posters here to rise above it and think before carrying silly arguments over into multiple threads and ruining most of the board in the process.
No matter what your view point on Rafa, rotation or even the owners, we are here to discuss not abuse and argue.Besides that we are actually in a challenge for the prem.

[account deleted by request]

Moaning is one thing and TBH its human nature, we always want that little bit more than we've got but abuse is another, a joke that misses the mark is easily forgiven but when rash comments are made for no other reason that to ridicule, hurt and/or get a rise out of another thats not on IMO and I sometimes wish the mods would be a little quicker to ask, I'm not asking for cards galore just a word now and again to nip things in the bud because when I try and do it I get 2 pages of abuse for asking a question.
People need to be a little less selfish and realise this board is for everyone to try and enjoy their time here. Very few people come on here just to cause trouble but its up to the good posters here to rise above it and think before carrying silly arguments over into multiple threads and ruining most of the board in the process.
No matter what your view point on Rafa, rotation or even the owners, we are here to discuss not abuse and argue.Besides that we are actually in a challenge for the prem.

Spot on Rushie. I think you were just unlucky to get caught up in it before mate. Bam had been (deliberately?) wound up and you just happened to say the wrong thing at the wrong time mate. Probably just saying Hi would have been enough by then