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by **Ben Patrick** » Thu Dec 23, 2010 11:52 am

Benny The Noon wrote:If you were told to leave a job midway through a contract ben would you not want some compensation ! Or would you just walk away with nothing ?

Compensation for what ?

Why would your contract be paid up in full if you are starting a new job immediately ?
If we were doing that he should have been made to go on gardening leave if that was the case.

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Dec 23, 2010 11:58 am

Did he start a new job immediately or did he got the Inter job over a month later ? You name me one person who would not want compensation after someone terminates a contract early ? No one in the right mind would . Only way it happens if clubs write in a contract that no one will be compensated if a contract is terminated but then no one will sign a contract like that . People sign contracts expecting people to honour them if either party breaks it then the other party must be compensated - it's written down and can't be argued . Rafa earnt the club millions in CL money and earnt the new contract so if they wanted it terminated then they must pay the penalty . Are you complaining just because Rafa got it or everyone ? Should Hughton and Allardyce be compensated ? What about GH when he left ?

by **worcester_red** » Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:05 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:If you were told to leave a job midway through a contract ben would you not want some compensation ! Or would you just walk away with nothing ?

Depends if you were doing a sh!t job or not.

by **Ben Patrick** » Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:09 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Did he start a new job immediately or did he got the Inter job over a month later ? You name me one person who would not want compensation after someone terminates a contract early ? No one in the right mind would . Only way it happens if clubs write in a contract that no one will be compensated if a contract is terminated but then no one will sign a contract like that . People sign contracts expecting people to honour them if either party breaks it then the other party must be compensated - it's written down and can't be argued . Rafa earnt the club millions in CL money and earnt the new contract so if they wanted it terminated then they must pay the penalty . Are you complaining just because Rafa got it or everyone ? Should Hughton and Allardyce be compensated ? What about GH when he left ?

Your missing the point.

He started almost immediately.
So we should have just paid him upto when he started his new job.
Why would he be entitled to the rest of his contract ?

It makes no sense and just because its happened previously in football it doesnt make it right.

By the way if i was Rafa damn right i would have taken it, only a fool wouldnt.
Again though, that doesnt mean its right, no way should he be entitled to it.

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:14 pm

The point it ben it's part of the contract , if you got 4 years left of a contract and they want to terminate it then they have to pay the penalty , makes no difference if you get a new contract the next day or with in a year - was it right to compensate Hughton or Allardyce . That's the thing with contracts - legally binding and no one will sign a contract without a compensation clause for early termination ! Have you always had the same belief or only since it happened with Rafa .If it's in the contract yes he is entitled to it . You can't argue that .

by **worcester_red** » Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:17 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Did he start a new job immediately or did he got the Inter job over a month later ? You name me one person who would not want compensation after someone terminates a contract early ? No one in the right mind would . Only way it happens if clubs write in a contract that no one will be compensated if a contract is terminated but then no one will sign a contract like that . People sign contracts expecting people to honour them if either party breaks it then the other party must be compensated - it's written down and can't be argued . Rafa earnt the club millions in CL money and earnt the new contract so if they wanted it terminated then they must pay the penalty . Are you complaining just because Rafa got it or everyone ? Should Hughton and Allardyce be compensated ? What about GH when he left ?

In all jobs in the world, EXCEPT football, if you get fired for incompetence you get feck all, why should football be different, the fact that you may want compensation is irrelevant.

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:20 pm

Unfortuantly football is different and remember he wasn't fired and still know one knows the exact reason - if it was for failing on the pitch then why didn't it happen as soon as the season finished - where as the truth is more to do with differences with owners .

by **Ben Patrick** » Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:21 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:The point it ben it's part of the contract , if you got 4 years left of a contract and they want to terminate it then they have to pay the penalty , makes no difference if you get a new contract the next day or with in a year - was it right to compensate Hughton or Allardyce . That's the thing with contracts - legally binding and no one will sign a contract without a compensation clause for early termination ! Have you always had the same belief or only since it happened with Rafa .If it's in the contract yes he is entitled to it . You can't argue that .

No i have always had that belief.

I think that if he was to be paid up his contract in full then he shouldnt be allowed to be earning money elsewhere until the contract was due to expire then.
Like Worcester red has said as well, the fact that he was sacked for doing a poor job makes it all the more galling.
The difference with Allardyce and Hughton is they are not working at this moment in time.
There severance pay should reflect whatever period out of work they have had.

by **lakes10** » Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:26 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Did he start a new job immediately or did he got the Inter job over a month later ? You name me one person who would not want compensation after someone terminates a contract early ? No one in the right mind would . Only way it happens if clubs write in a contract that no one will be compensated if a contract is terminated but then no one will sign a contract like that . People sign contracts expecting people to honour them if either party breaks it then the other party must be compensated - it's written down and can't be argued . Rafa earnt the club millions in CL money and earnt the new contract so if they wanted it terminated then they must pay the penalty . Are you complaining just because Rafa got it or everyone ? Should Hughton and Allardyce be compensated ? What about GH when he left ?

Your missing the point.

He started almost immediately.
So we should have just paid him upto when he started his new job.
Why would he be entitled to the rest of his contract ?

It makes no sense and just because its happened previously in football it doesnt make it right.

By the way if i was Rafa damn right i would have taken it, only a fool wouldnt.
Again though, that doesnt mean its right, no way should he be entitled to it.

more to the point.....there were photos of him and his team turning up for meetings with other clubs from Jan last year, when it come to our club sacking him the media outlets said they could not give the photos and also said they did not know if they were even taken yet some had been printed in Italy and spain.
other clubs had said that Rafa had been in meetings about being there manager.....then when the club asked them to give dates when they were looking to sack him the clubs said they had no dates.

Rafa got lucky? or did he pay someone off?

Rafa was lucky to get anything from our club and he was looking for another job when still under contract with or club and that its self you can get sacked for in football.

now Rafa is having meeting to try and get around 6mil for being sacked again.

with to pay offs to him name and two sackings it will be a very rich and mad club to take him as there manager in 2011

by **lakes10** » Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:27 pm

jacdaniel wrote:
Julio-0 wrote:We are making a big mistake.

I'm not sure if Sacking Rafa at this time would help...we're gonna be so unprepared for everything the rest of the year!

A big mistake! When Rafa left Valencia they crumbled. Same with Liverpool unfortunately.

He is a good manager but the injuries at Inter have just affected the team too much.

sorry but Liverpool crumbled when Rafa was here and thats why we are not in the CL.

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:28 pm

Point 1 - have you been told he was sacked for doing a poor job ? I'm sure the reports are that it was mutual termination and differences between manager and owner ? If it was for the poor previous season why did it not happen as soon as previous season finished instead of a month later during which time the owners were letting Rafa pursue transfer targets and contract extensions for players - no one knows the exact truth and no one will until one of them tells us . The second point is how can you only compensate someone for the time there are out of work when you don't know exactly how long they will be out of work for ? Rafa got compensated for the contract being terminated and was entitled to that due to the legal binding of that contract - it can't be argued .

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:31 pm

lakes10 wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Did he start a new job immediately or did he got the Inter job over a month later ? You name me one person who would not want compensation after someone terminates a contract early ? No one in the right mind would . Only way it happens if clubs write in a contract that no one will be compensated if a contract is terminated but then no one will sign a contract like that . People sign contracts expecting people to honour them if either party breaks it then the other party must be compensated - it's written down and can't be argued . Rafa earnt the club millions in CL money and earnt the new contract so if they wanted it terminated then they must pay the penalty . Are you complaining just because Rafa got it or everyone ? Should Hughton and Allardyce be compensated ? What about GH when he left ?

Your missing the point.

He started almost immediately.
So we should have just paid him upto when he started his new job.
Why would he be entitled to the rest of his contract ?

It makes no sense and just because its happened previously in football it doesnt make it right.

By the way if i was Rafa damn right i would have taken it, only a fool wouldnt.
Again though, that doesnt mean its right, no way should he be entitled to it.

more to the point.....there were photos of him and his team turning up for meetings with other clubs from Jan last year, when it come to our club sacking him the media outlets said they could not give the photos and also said they did not know if they were even taken yet some had been printed in Italy and spain.
other clubs had said that Rafa had been in meetings about being there manager.....then when the club asked them to give dates when they were looking to sack him the clubs said they had no dates.

Rafa got lucky? or did he pay someone off?

Rafa was lucky to get anything from our club and he was looking for another job when still under contract with or club and that its self you can get sacked for in football.

now Rafa is having meeting to try and get around 6mil for being sacked again.

with to pay offs to him name and two sackings it will be a very rich and mad club to take him as there manager in 2011

Can you show us these photos ?

Can you show any proof of any of this stuff your going on about ?

Can you back up anything in that post - just one thing -

Where are the photos - if they were printed in spain and italy - show us all then .

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:33 pm

lakes10 wrote:
jacdaniel wrote:
Julio-0 wrote:We are making a big mistake.

I'm not sure if Sacking Rafa at this time would help...we're gonna be so unprepared for everything the rest of the year!

A big mistake! When Rafa left Valencia they crumbled. Same with Liverpool unfortunately.

He is a good manager but the injuries at Inter have just affected the team too much.

sorry but Liverpool crumbled when Rafa was here and thats why we are not in the CL.

Liverpool won the cl under Rafa

Liverpool won the FA Cup under Rafa

Liverpool became the number one ranked team in Europe under Rafa

Remember lakes Rafa was at the club more than just last season .

by **Roger Red Hat** » Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:46 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:unless you speak with ciggy and nanny that is.

Ben, we've forgot more about footie than either of them two shysters have ever known. they speculate and make stuff up to get reactions from people on here cos they have fek all else to do but fekin moan. pair of fek'rs who are old enough to know better.

and if you'd quote me i'd be grateful, that way shythawk one and two can see this.

:no

by **Roger Red Hat** » Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:47 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Liverpool won the cl under Rafa

Liverpool won the FA Cup under Rafa

Liverpool became the number one ranked team in Europe under Rafa

Remember lakes Rafa was at the club more than just last season .

very true benny.

Liverpool finished 7th under rafa

Liverpool didn't qualify for Champs.league under rafa

dohh!

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