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by **ycsatbjywtbiastkamb** » Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:35 pm

I'm starting to change my mind on this one, selling him might just be the smart thing to do.
By the time he can lace up a pair of boots for us again he is going to be on the verge of turning 28 and as good as he is at that age you don't have your best years ahead of you. £80m for someone who has maybe two seasons left of his footballing prime is a ridiculous amount of money tbh.
Last season may have even been the high water mark, the odds of him scoring 31 league goals again are pretty long.
Let's face it as well he's not exactly LFC through and through either, only last summer he was perfectly happy to do a Torres and engineer a move to one of our domestic rivals and even before this latest incident his father in law was laying the groundwork for a move to Spain. We all love him because he's so good but from Luis point of view this has always been a marriage of convenience. He's always had one eye on the exit door.
If we can somehow include Sanchez as part of the deal and get Markovic as well then I think we'd be well set for the future.
People say look at the Tottenham situation but Atletico lost Falcao and were a minute away from doing the League and European cup double so it's not necessarily a given that the @rse will fall out of us if we lose our best player.
Maybe events have run their course and it's time LFC and Luis Suarez parted ways.

by **Stu the Red** » Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:56 pm

Luis is the difference in us finishing second and sixth. Two years of him is worth fifty million. The lad is irreplaceable and if we lose him it will be our loss. Sanchez will not in any way make up for losing him. We would need Sanchez, Tevez, Begovic a right back and centre half to even nearly be at the same level he is that good.

If I could get thirty or forty mil in two or three years I'd rather take that

by **kazza** » Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:57 pm

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:35 am wrote:I'm starting to change my mind on this one, selling him might just be the smart thing to do.
By the time he can lace up a pair of boots for us again he is going to be on the verge of turning 28 and as good as he is at that age you don't have your best years ahead of you. £80m for someone who has maybe two seasons left of his footballing prime is a ridiculous amount of money tbh.
Last season may have even been the high water mark, the odds of him scoring 31 league goals again are pretty long.
Let's face it as well he's not exactly LFC through and through either, only last summer he was perfectly happy to do a Torres and engineer a move to one of our domestic rivals and even before this latest incident his father in law was laying the groundwork for a move to Spain. We all love him because he's so good but from Luis point of view this has always been a marriage of convenience. He's always had one eye on the exit door.
If we can somehow include Sanchez as part of the deal and get Markovic as well then I think we'd be well set for the future.
People say look at the Tottenham situation but Atletico lost Falcao and were a minute away from doing the League and European cup double so it's not necessarily a given that the @rse will fall out of us if we lose our best player.
Maybe events have run their course and it's time LFC and Luis Suarez parted ways.

I am inclined to agree. At some time you have to pull the plug and this is probably his peak. Like Torres he will probably regret leaving as not many other teams will give him the support we gave him. I think the team spirit may also improve.

by **Stu the Red** » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:01 pm

Kazza am sorry lad thats a stupid thing to say. Selling your best player will shatter spirit, not build it. There is no spin you can put on that to justify that statement. Your best players create tim spirit, inspire and motivate through giving others confidence. Suarez impact on sturridge, Henderson and sterling last season was clear for all to see. He took them all on a level and their confidence went through the roof because of him.

by **ycsatbjywtbiastkamb** » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:41 pm

Stu the Red » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:56 am wrote:Luis is the difference in us finishing second and sixth. Two years of him is worth fifty million. The lad is irreplaceable and if we lose him it will be our loss. Sanchez will not in any way make up for losing him. We would need Sanchez, Tevez, Begovic a right back and centre half to even nearly be at the same level he is that good.

If I could get thirty or forty mil in two or three years I'd rather take that

We wouldn't get £30m for a 30 year old mate, no matter how good he was.
£80m for a 28 year old is a staggering amount of money (Bale was 23 when he went) and a war chest that size would allow us to bring in players like Sanchez and Markovic who are top players in their own right. We are not talking about replacing him with Stewie Downing' and Charlie Adam's here mate, Markovic ran Tottenham absolutely ragged at white hart lane in the Europa league last season and he's 20 years old and has a decade of high quality footy in him.
Besides the next time Luis does something it won't be 4 months it will be 6 months or even a year that he misses.
If Bob Paisley was in charge now he would sell him, It's high time this club became as ruthless as the players it employs, if Luis had to leave us in the lurch he would, no problem.

by **laza** » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:51 pm

Im in two minds these days, while he undeniable talent and you don't sell your best players.

That talent isn't doing us much good on the sidelines for nearly a third of the season

I hate to say it but if we got a silly offer from a non English club it would certainly be tempting to cash in.

Also another factor I be gutted if we put up with the ban, give the lad some therapy and then off to a dream move to Spain the following season

As the talk was already starting before the biting incident about that dream move

by **kazza** » Sat Jun 28, 2014 2:17 pm

Stu the Red » Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:01 pm wrote:Kazza am sorry lad thats a stupid thing to say. Selling your best player will shatter spirit, not build it. There is no spin you can put on that to justify that statement. Your best players create tim spirit, inspire and motivate through giving others confidence. Suarez impact on sturridge, Henderson and sterling last season was clear for all to see. He took them all on a level and their confidence went through the roof because of him.

In a way you are correct. Suarez and Gerrard are the two (world class) players we have that lead by example and next year they may not be playing and that is a worry. Great play does inspire other players to play better and reach for a higher level, especially when they see it day in day out. However my comment was in relation to Luis's superstar status and special treatment in the team and removing the intimidation factor might help the younger players. I remember when they subbed DS for being selfish (and rightly so) which was a public telling off as he was on a hatrick, but I have never seen them do that for Suarez and he had done the same thing. I feel like the team was always treating him with velvet gloves, afraid to hurt his hot temperament because he is a great player. When Cantona stopped playing for Utd the team let out a sigh of relief and they improved as a team, it does happen.

I would be less worried about him if I knew that he bit the Italian in momentary a loss of control, even if it happened three times.What worries me is that it is a planned stunt to get what he wants. A world class player that would do that is a liability and the other players will know it.

Only time will tell but frankly I can't be fecked to go through the same saga this summer as last and my patience is wearing thin with his antics. Anyway Kenny seems to think he will not be sold and you would think he is in the know, so we'll see. Do I want him to play for us like or better than last year? Yes! Do I think he will? No! However if this whole thing ends up motivating him like last year and he plays great for us then happy Dayz, you will not hear me complaining.

by **C-R** » Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:10 pm

From The Mail

BREAKING: FIFA have received an official appeal from #URU regarding Luis Suarez's ban

Luis Suarez's defence to FIFA: 'I lost my balance, making my body unstable and falling on top of my opponent'

by **tonyeh** » Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:52 pm

That's just making him look even more stupid.

"I lost me balance"

Fkn 'ell. :laugh:

by **C-R** » Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:08 pm

Uruguay have told Fifa they intend to appeal against the decision.

"I lost my balance, making my body unstable and falling on top of my opponent," wrote Suarez in his defence to Fifa.

"At that moment I hit my face against the player leaving a small bruise on my cheek and a strong pain in my teeth."

In a document seen by Associated Press, the Liverpool striker added: "In no way it happened how you have described, as a bite or intent to bite."

However, a seven-man Fifa panel concluded that the bite was "deliberate, intentional and without provocation".

Suarez has now returned to his homeland and is unavailable for Uruguay's last-16 tie against Colombia on Saturday.

by **metalhead** » Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:12 pm

He didn't deserve to get that type of punishment, even if he did it 3 times.

Nigel De Jong has done so many things worse than Suarez and got nothing for it, so Suarez gets banned for 4 months because of a harmless bite? :laugh:

The lad needs a treatment to be able to control himself, punishing him severely will not help him, and f*ck the english media, bunch of f*cking hypocrites. The Italian media here didn't cover the Suarez bite every f*cking day, instead they focused on the national team's failure, something the English media should think about doing.

We need Suarez, he is still a world class player despite his flaws, with him we will be better off as a team and have a better chance of winning trophies, losing him would be hard!

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:16 pm

His excuse is about as pathetic as they get, almost insulting. No wonder why FIFA made an example of him. Why provoke them?

Starting to think that this behaviour is intentional to force us to wash our hands of him at a cut price.

by **devaney** » Sat Jun 28, 2014 6:28 pm

Do you think that Barca hinted to his agent that if he bit somebody they would still be interested? It was such an incredibly stupid thing to do that I'm considering anything to make some sense of it !!!!

by **Johnny Boy** » Sat Jun 28, 2014 6:50 pm

SouthCoastShankly » Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:16 pm wrote:His excuse is about as pathetic as they get, almost insulting. No wonder why FIFA made an example of him. Why provoke them?

Starting to think that this behaviour is intentional to force us to wash our hands of him at a cut price.

The excuse is pitiful, lost his balance causing him to hit his face on his shoulder, dear me.

by **Santa** » Sat Jun 28, 2014 6:53 pm

Have thought about this but I guess it was such a stupid act that it cannot be real. He could actually force Liverpool's hand by demanding the move and Barca cough up the necessary cash but you'll never know...at that moment Uruguay was going out of the competition. Now if he were to force a cut price move, the club should threaten to sue Luis for professional misconduct resulting in a loss to his employer. He still don't leave unless it is under our terms.

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