Luis Suarez signs for Barcelona

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Postby Johnny Boy » Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:29 pm

7_Kewell » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:27 pm wrote:What a mess, the lad has a screw loose. Thing is (and this is what scares me) what happens if he does it again? A 12 month ban? 2 years?

He's a loose cannon and for all of his underlying ability, can't be trusted to behave himself. For that reason alone I'd listen to offers of 80mill. Because i can just see this happening again and him getting a huge ban. That has the potential to destroy our season.


Spot on, he will miss 9 league games and 3 Champions League probably. Fact is he probably will do it again, he has let us all down but especially our manager.
Let's hope someone is daft enough to pay good money for him.

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Postby devaney » Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:36 pm

Lads I think the likelyhood of somebody paying £80m for Luis just at the moment is very very slight. I never thought I would say this but I think I would take the money for commercial reasons because the way he is going he will eventually receive a lifetime ban and be worthless. He had a fantastic season and he was looking good in the World Cup. He even received the football writers award and yet he felt it necessary to take a dig at our media as soon as the opportunity presented itself. One moment of madness and he is public enemy number one again. Just how much of this sh.it are the owners and the club prepared to take. Ten weeks wages is £2m. The maximum the club can fine him is two weeks wages. Are we really going to have to bin £1.4m because of Luis's antics?

I've defended Luis and stuck by him through his history of idiotic indiscretions. The evidence wasn't conclusive but he received a massive almost unprecedented worldwide ban from all football. To be honest this did not surprise me because of Luis's disciplinary record. I asked the question prior to FIFA finding him guilty if they had the jurisdiction to ban him from all competitions. Unfortunately it would appear that several people got that one wrong.

I find it laughable that some fans are whinging about the ban from all football. Due to the idiotic behaviour by a small minority of some mindless fans at Heysel all English team were banned from European competitions for several years. DID OTHER TEAMS DESERVE TO BE BANNED BECAUSE OF THE ACTIONS OF OUR SUPPORTERS?
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Postby Johnny Boy » Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:41 pm

What is also really annoying after last season it's clear we are on the up, good young manager, playing exciting attractive football that many rival fans have acknowledged....potential for better quality players to come in with Champions League football....and now this. I have defended him, mostly on other forums when he has been verbally slaughtered - but I can't anymore, had enough of him.
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Postby woof woof ! » Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:57 pm

Hold up !

All the moaning and groaning about Suarez being banned from domestic competition

I think we all have to take a breath and accept that

1 Fifa are coming down on a serial offender who apparently can't control himself.

2 FIFA's decision is not directed at Uruguay, it's directed at Luis Suarez. 

3 Fifa's decision is not directed at Liverpool FC, it's directed at Luis Suarez

Personally I can't find myself moved to defend him.

Let's be honest If he was playing for another club right now wouldn't we all be applauding the ban, and maybe complaining it wasn't long enough ?

One of the greatest footballing talents to ever wear a Liverpool shirt ?   :nod

I'm gutted that just as our club begins to rise again the man on the field primarily responsible for our resurgence once again shoots himself and the club in the foot.

Part of me desperately want's him to be part of our future, and part of me thinks it's time for him to go, for the best offer we can get  :(
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Postby Greavesie » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:25 pm

woof woof ! » Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:57 pm wrote:Hold up !

All the moaning and groaning about Suarez being banned from domestic competition

I think we all have to take a breath and accept that

1 Fifa are coming down on a serial offender who apparently can't control himself.

2 FIFA's decision is not directed at Uruguay, it's directed at Luis Suarez. 

3 Fifa's decision is not directed at Liverpool FC, it's directed at Luis Suarez

Personally I can't find myself moved to defend him.

Let's be honest If he was playing for another club right now wouldn't we all be applauding the ban, and maybe complaining it wasn't long enough ?

One of the greatest footballing talents to ever wear a Liverpool shirt ?   :nod

I'm gutted that just as our club begins to rise again the man on the field primarily responsible for our resurgence once again shoots himself and the club in the foot.

Part of me desperately want's him to be part of our future, and part of me thinks it's time for him to go, for the best offer we can get  :(


A sense of reason Woof, fair play for that

I can't help but feel its a FIFA competition and a Uruguay shirt tho so he should be dealt with according to that. We pay his wages afterall, are FIFA leaving it to us to decide what to do about that? Afterall, he hasn't breached his contract has he?

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Postby tonyeh » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:47 pm

woof woof ! » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:57 pm wrote:Hold up !

All the moaning and groaning about Suarez being banned from domestic competition

I think we all have to take a breath and accept that

1 Fifa are coming down on a serial offender who apparently can't control himself.

2 FIFA's decision is not directed at Uruguay, it's directed at Luis Suarez. 

3 Fifa's decision is not directed at Liverpool FC, it's directed at Luis Suarez

Personally I can't find myself moved to defend him.

Let's be honest If he was playing for another club right now wouldn't we all be applauding the ban, and maybe complaining it wasn't long enough ?

One of the greatest footballing talents to ever wear a Liverpool shirt ?   :nod

I'm gutted that just as our club begins to rise again the man on the field primarily responsible for our resurgence once again shoots himself and the club in the foot.

Part of me desperately want's him to be part of our future, and part of me thinks it's time for him to go, for the best offer we can get  :(


Absolutely bang on.
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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Thu Jun 26, 2014 8:00 pm

Our team basically consists of a mid table keeper, defence and midfield all propped up by a world class attack.
Take Suarez out of that attack and it's no longer world class. This isn't about losing just a striker it's about ripping the heart out of our team.
Even if we get big money for him I have got no faith whatsoever in this transfer comittee replacing so great a player.
It's all well and good saying we did okay without him at the start of last season but the truth was we were scraping results 1-0 and hanging on for dear life against teams like Stoke and Villa, everyone was counting down the games until his return and praying the team could hold it together until he returned.
Without Suarez our midfield and defence will have to stand on their own 2 feet and the prospect of that is just a car crash waiting to happen.
We won't make the top 4 without him IMO, it's a big ask to expect someone new to arrive here and do what Suarez did for this team.
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Postby Santa » Thu Jun 26, 2014 8:47 pm

If Suarez wants to FORCE a move out of Liverpool now, especially for a significant lower fee compared to his current market price, I suggest the club to sue Suarez for professional negligence resulting in the club suffering losses or some other shit the club's lawyers can think of and make him pay. This situation is solely caused by his own wrongly and unprofessional actions and the club should not be made to suffer any financial or operation losses because of his indiscipline.

Any trained lawyers or legal professionals here who can tell me if that a course of action that the club can make?
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Postby JC_81 » Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:21 pm

The least Suarez can do is offer to forfeit the 3.2 million in wages he'll take home during the course of his ban.  Fking maniac.

At the end of the day he's a valuable asset in money terms.  Our owners are money people when it comes down to it.  Nobody will pay 80mil for him now and they won't want to sell him on the cheap - knocking 20mil off his market value to get rid quickly for disgracing the club ain't gonna happen.  He'll end up staying.

Rodgers has his work cut out managing this one.
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Postby Doeboy » Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:23 pm

Santa » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:47 pm wrote:If Suarez wants to FORCE a move out of Liverpool now, especially for a significant lower fee compared to his current market price, I suggest the club to sue Suarez for professional negligence resulting in the club suffering losses or some other shit the club's lawyers can think of and make him pay. This situation is solely caused by his own wrongly and unprofessional actions and the club should not be made to suffer any financial or operation losses because of his indiscipline.

Any trained lawyers or legal professionals here who can tell me if that a course of action that the club can make?


Quite clear for me. Sounds like there is a clause in his contract which foreign teams have to meet if they want him, rumoured to be £60-65m. If someone meets that, fair enough, if not, then he is going nowhere. Suarez is no position to force anything and if he has any sense won't go down that route, especially after todaY.

Thought he may just be given an international ban but doesn't surprise me it applies all football. Finding it difficult to argue against it to be honest, even though it hurts us. Third time he's done it, seemingly without any real provocation. Quite clearly has a problem. Not exactly a young kid now and the father of two kids, just wish he would remind himself of the responsibility he has to everyone around him, his family, team mates, the club his country etc, whenever he takes to the pitch. He was amazing last season, not only with his goals and play, but he also came in for some rough treatment from defenders but handled it brilliantly and got on with things. Maybe it was having team-mates around him, i.e Gerrard who helped him keep his cool, I don't know

He's desire to win is amazing and so refreshing to see it in this day and age where players are earning so much money but you just cannot cross that line. He is a world class player and I absolutely love watching him play. However with that comes responsibility. Kids will have seen his antics and it sends completely the wrong message.

I actually think four months away from football may help him in the long run as long as he uses the time to seek some real help to sort this issue out. I really thought last season he had got over the issues as he was good as gold. Was gutted seeing him at it again on Tuesday.

I don't want us to lose him but saying that the club is and will always be bigger than one player. in an ideal world, we would work with him to eradicate this kind of behaviour in the four months he is out and he carries on where he left off from last season. Realistically, I think this may be the last straw for the club. It may even be out of our hands if Real or Barca meet the clause in his contract
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Postby red till i die!! » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:46 pm

i dont condone what luis did at all and no one in their right mind will, but is it really fair that we suffer the most ? they surely could have given him a 2 year international ban and a record fine rather than punish LFC for something that didnt occur in an LFC jersey. 
he sat out the start of last season for us but he was allowed to play in 2 qualifiers for uruguay during that same period, its unfair and unjust that they have stretched the ban to include his club.
what do we do with him now?
well the worst thing i think we can do is get rid of him in a firesale at a massive loss. as thick as he may seem if this ban hasnt got through his head now then he's just one more away from ending his career.
he has issues controlling himself in certain situations and in which manner he reacts when finding himself in those moments. i say that because he is not a dirty player who gets himself sent off every other week. yes the biting is a worry, but its rare that these incidents happen in any sport and if anything it signals a problem with the individual. we need to insist he gets therapy organised by the club to commence before the ban ends. dr steve could have a word.
after the ivanovich ban his behaviour was impeccable and he had a hell of a season which ended up with us having one hand on the league till the death. he will come back like that again and that will be worth much more than the deal we will get for him now. if he has a stormer of a season his value will rocket again and we could actually win the league such is the influence he can bring.
he isnt the devil reincarnated and he has been described by many at the club as a model teammate so i think its worth giving the lad his final warning about his conduct. it would be hard if the club was to heap more misery on him seen as it wasnt on our watch. outside of football the man is the equivalent of a hedge hog and is never in the limelight.
we have finished 2nd in the prem twice before and never managed to follow it up so rodgers has his work cut out next season to at least maintain top 4 and that task will be made a lot easier with luis on board.
for all his faults he is a proper footballer and an absolute joy to watch when on it and i hope he is still with us next season  :nod
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Postby red till i die!! » Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:25 pm

looks like the club will be supporting him after all
its the beebs site but the article is from the echo http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/28035928
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Postby stmichael » Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:38 pm

The whole thing stinks. Nobody is defending him. He's guilty and deserves to be punished.

The major gripe is about us being punished for a crime he committed while playing for his country. There are clear lines for this. A player can be banned for domestic league games, but still play European or UEFA cup games. They can be banned for club and play internationals. So why is the new rule for him only, that punishes us in the process, more than it punishes him or his national team?

This is a sport, and it’s governed by a set of rules which are put in place for the betterment of that sport. When a player steps out of the tunnel and out onto the pitch they’re to obey those rules. If a player breaks those rules then they should be punished. So, quite clearly and quite rightly, Luis Suarez should be punished. For violent conduct. Because that’s what it is and nothing more. Just like a kick is. Or a punch is. Or a headbutt is. Or an unexpected and potentially life threatening forearm to the back of the head is (no matter how much you want to pretend like it didn’t happen, Wayne). A bite on the shoulder, though f*cking stupid, isn’t worse than any of these. It’s violent conduct, should be treated as such, and that’s that. FIFA, UEFA, our FA, none of them should get to make up the rules as they go along, and certainly not because of public pressure or rival supporter reaction, but that’s what appears to be happening. If it isn’t, then how come we’ve all been asking how long his ban’s likely to be? Shouldn’t we know? Isn’t it in those rules you’ve written?

People saying he has done it three times are missing the point, it doesn't matter if he has done it ten times. Unless he did it ten times in the same match he can only be charged with the one offence. Saying he has done it twice before so he deserves it is admitting he is being punished for three offences instead of just the one. Using the same logic if a player gets several red cards, by the time they get the third or fourth red card, as punishment they should expect the death sentence, after all, they've done it before.

Each offence should be treated as an incident on its own and punished accordingly. The punishment here is disproportionate to the offence, precisely because his priors are being used against him, because of media hysteria and his (fairly earned) poor reputation.

Anyway, the most sense I've seen spoken on the subject so far on RTE.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/worldcup ... -response/
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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:47 pm

The club aren't soft, they know (as nuts as he is) that we need him.
And as you say this fella took us to within a Steven Gerrard slip of the title equalling a premiership goal scoring record along the way.
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