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Postby damjan193 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:47 pm

I get what you're saying Benny and I can't say that you're wrong, but his return is something I've always hoped on and I doubt I'll ever stop hoping :D.

Anyway, we're being linked with some Jorginho guy from Verona. Can't say that I know him, I don't watch Italian football that much, but I can't say that I'm impressed with us bidding for another unknown 21 year old. For a lot of money as well (again).




Liverpool bid £7.7m for Jorginho
By Football Italia staff

Liverpool are reportedly lining up a €9m bid for Hellas Verona and Italy Under-21 starlet Jorginho.

The rumours had already emerged this week about possible interest from Anfield towards the versatile creative midfielder.

According to the latest reports emanating from Italy, the proposal will be made official in the form of €9m – approximately £7.7m.

Jorginho is 21 years old and of Brazilian origin, but spent much of his life in Italy and decided to represent the Azzurri at international level.

He grew up in the Hellas Verona youth academy and has one cap for the Italy Under-21 side.

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Postby Benny The Noon » Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:50 pm

Another young midfielder. It appears that BR has a fascination with them.
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Postby red till i die!! » Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:09 pm

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Postby ethanr » Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:10 pm

It's really strange we continue to buy these players for a good chunk of money that really nobody has heard of.  Rodgers must be believing they will all turn out to be diamonds like Coutinho, and that in a few years we'll be challenging for the title.

If it's not that, I've got no f*cking clue what's going on right now.
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Postby red till i die!! » Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:15 pm

damjan193 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:47 pm wrote:I get what you're saying Benny and I can't say that you're wrong, but his return is something I've always hoped on and I doubt I'll ever stop hoping :D.

Anyway, we're being linked with some Jorginho guy from Verona. Can't say that I know him, I don't watch Italian football that much, but I can't say that I'm impressed with us bidding for another unknown 21 year old. For a lot of money as well (again)

http://www.football-italia.net/36180/li ... m-jorginho


you wouldnt have seen this lad as he has only played 2nd division and just got promoted. i read it elsewhere that he played 41 games last season and scored 2 goals which isnt impressive at all given the league he was in.
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Postby red till i die!! » Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:58 pm

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Mkhitaryan sails by but the show goes on
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There is a scene to end the 1998 Oscar-nominated movie "The Truman Show" which manages to paint comic relief pitch black.

After the affable Truman Burbank realises his entire life has been the subject of a reality television show viewed by millions of people -- therefore ceasing transmission the show which had been obsessed over continuously for 30 years -- two security guards stare at the blank screen. "What else is on?" asks one. "Yeah, let's see what else is on," ponders the second, confirmation of man's fickle nature.

It's a comedic moment to finish the film, a much-needed smile after the emotional climax, but beneath lurks a darker tone: the man who was part of people's lives for so long, who gave hope and joy and inspiration to so many, is forgotten so quickly.

Shakhtar Donetsk midfielder Henrikh Mkhitaryan must have felt like the star of his own show in recent weeks. He was under constant surveillance; every move was documented, every internal thought somehow shared with the world. His inclination, we were told, was to move to the Premier League, to Merseyside, to play for Brendan Rodgers at Liverpool. He was the man to bring hope, joy and inspiration to Anfield

Scenarios were concocted of how and where he would play, of how he would be the final piece of a 23-year-old jigsaw. Little news of anything else was offered, nor was it wanted. Time stood still and the sun refused to set until this saga -- and how it became one, with talkative agents and grainy leaked photographs -- was complete.

He was worth the wait, anyway. Mkhitaryan was the player to propel Liverpool to Champions League football, the title, the moon and the stars; he was the talent to combine the city’s two cathedrals into one gigantic superdome of worship and jetski on the waves of the River Mersey recently turned into wine.

The reality was far different. The more he was scrutinised, the more inevitable the rejection became. Shakhtar and Borussia Dortmund have reportedly agreed on a fee of £21.5 million for Mkhitaryan and Liverpool's perfect summer has suddenly been clouded. After identifying four players -- and successfully signing them -- by the first day of July, their first-choice transfer target has failed to arrive.

There is no telling how Mkhitaryan would have fared at Liverpool. But one thing for certain is the importance attached upon him. He was central to Liverpool's plans, identified as the signing to excite the peasants and coax even more from Philippe Coutinho and -- if he stays -- Luis Suarez.

But the transmission finishes; the screen turns static. Here ends the Mkhitaryan show. In the words of that first security guard: What else is on?

This is where Liverpool must show their summer did not begin and end at Mkhitaryan. There are plenty of other options in that role, but availability is another matter. In a sport where little is guaranteed, the club must act quickly and focus on their attacking alternatives.

It also gives the first real glimpse of what happens when Rodgers and his transfer committee fail in their foremost desire. Though their efficiency in securing deals for Simon Mignolet, Iago Aspas, Kolo Toure and Luis Alberto is praiseworthy, only Mignolet could be regarded as a player ready to be dropped into their best 11 -- and even that is no guarantee given Rodgers' comments of goalkeeping competition, no matter how insincere they may ultimately prove.

This is where the scouting network, in all its intricacies, will show its worth. Scouting is not as simple as attending football matches and identifying the standout player; it is about securing contacts, discovering asking prices and pesky hidden clauses. A nose for networking is as important as an eye for a player. Though the club should face little blame for Mkhitaryan -- Liverpool never even had the opportunity to formally speak to the player -- there is the worry over how unsure the process appeared; there is worry regarding the uncertainty over cost and ownership.

Names will inevitably come: Christian Eriksen, Michu, Hatem Ben Arfa and many more. But the Mkhitaryan dealings highlight just how futile names can be and how immaterial they are until printed on the material of a replica shirt.

Liverpool simply cannot panic. If they have constructed a contingency plan around Mkhitaryan, they have no need to. If they now sit in their offices, desperately rifling through paperwork and DVDs as their starting point, consider this another lesson to learn.

Indeed, a lesson has been learned already for some with Mkhitaryan’s decision to join Dortmund: players such as Coutinho, Suarez and Daniel Sturridge, who possess both big-game experience but the willingness to play in a side struggling for European qualification, are hard to find.

Champions League football, at some point, becomes essential to attract a certain calibre of player. Anfield can become a refuge for those seeking redemption, for players whose trajectory need to turn upward once more. But with players who are moving upwards consistently, a Champions League side is desired to continue that.

But to qualify for the Champions League, Liverpool need better players. That is why they must take the opportunity to acquire them when they can; that is why they must recover after failure to sign a player who would improve them, and prepare to find the next one.

That replacement could be like-for-like; they could be Spanish, French, Italian; they might even be a player who will demand a shuffle of Liverpool’s front four. But above all that, they must be a player Liverpool have confidence in, a player capable of making Mkhitaryan an unpronounceable, unimportant footnote this summer. It will be no laughing matter if they fail to do that.

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Postby Benny The Noon » Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:04 pm

red till i die!! » Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:50 pm wrote:http://www.touchlinetalk.com/liverpool-set-to-bid-for-jose-enrique-replacement/56670/?

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At least it's a defender which is a step forward
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Postby only me » Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:27 pm

red till i die!! » Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:50 pm wrote:http://www.touchlinetalk.com/liverpool-set-to-bid-for-jose-enrique-replacement/56670/?

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Actually good piece of Biz if true. Enrique played a good part in defending but offered little going forward. Cissoko is a better option.

Now lets get the RB position sorted.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:31 pm

We have a quality RB already with another in the squad ! That is one area that doesn't need sorting
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Postby only me » Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:41 pm

Benny The Noon » Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:31 pm wrote:We have a quality RB already with another in the squad ! That is one area that doesn't need sorting


Glen? oh well....if that's is considered sorted then I guess Suarez is considered house broken. Johnson is a mess and it's about time we get a REAL consistent defender.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:53 pm

Yes Johnson , with Kelly as back up. I know you aren't his greatest fan and he at times didnt have the best game but he was nowhere near as bad as has been made out.

You can the name the "real consistent" defenders who we should get to take his place if you wish but not many that we can get are better than him
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Postby the return of HAS » Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:17 pm

So it looks like the Henrikh Mkhitaryan deal isn’t going to happen as it’s too complicated and the total cost is just too high. Unlike Dortmund, who operate in a country were third party ownership of players is permitted, we would need to obtain 100% of his registration due to Premier League rules. It seems agreeing terms with Shakhtar isn’t an issue, it’s agreeing terms with one, possibly 2 agents, who own a percentage of the player’s registration. It sounds as though if we agree to the demands of all parties involved it will cost us in excess of £30 million to buy the player and the club aren’t prepared to pay that much.
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Postby the return of HAS » Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:24 pm

There seems to be an awful lot of people on this forum willing to stick the boot into or take thinly veiled digs at Rogers, Ayre and FSG, even using transfer rumours from crappy sources as ammunition. The window has another 2 months to run so maybe those people should be kind enough to give our club the benefit of the doubt for now. Our spending and sales have seen us come up about break even so far so based on FSG’s record so far I think it’s fair to assume we will bring in more players.
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Postby eds » Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:57 pm

the return of HAS » Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:17 pm wrote:So it looks like the Henrikh Mkhitaryan deal isn’t going to happen as it’s too complicated and the total cost is just too high. Unlike Dortmund, who operate in a country were third party ownership of players is permitted, we would need to obtain 100% of his registration due to Premier League rules. It seems agreeing terms with Shakhtar isn’t an issue, it’s agreeing terms with one, possibly 2 agents, who own a percentage of the player’s registration. It sounds as though if we agree to the demands of all parties involved it will cost us in excess of £30 million to buy the player and the club aren’t prepared to pay that much.


That's fair enough mate, if this is the case I wouldn't blame the club for not going for him.

If we were to spend 30m on one player, I would expect better quality then this Armenian kid.
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