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[Benny The Noon]

The problem is there are currently a good deal number of clubs that offer players a lot more than we can.

We can try and fight to keep players but its hard when we can't give what players want.

Also release clauses weaken our position

Suarez has basically opened up the doors for every club to bid for him now. He wants out.

[eds]

And to be fair he has done a lot of stupid things in his time here, the least he can do is stick it out for one more season and have a crack at a CL spot next season.

[Benny The Noon]

And to be fair he has done a lot of stupid things in his time here, the least he can do is stick it out for one more season and have a crack at a CL spot next season.

High expectation of a modern footballer to show a club some loyalty.

[eds]

The problem is there are currently a good deal number of clubs that offer players a lot more than we can.

We can try and fight to keep players but its hard when we can't give what players want.

Also release clauses weaken our position

Suarez has basically opened up the doors for every club to bid for him now. He wants out.

I understand all that Benny, that's the nature of football these days.

I'm just clearly frustrated that this is actually happening to our club, because it keeps setting us back.

The only way we can counter this is by investing heavily in young players each season and getting Rodgers to build something for our future.

That's why I keep saying that we can't afford to buy "deadwood" and waste our money away on 1-3m purchases (like we have in the past).

Also it highlight how Rodgers can't afford to blow money on the likes of Allen and Borini.

It just compounds the problem even more.

[eds]

And to be fair he has done a lot of stupid things in his time here, the least he can do is stick it out for one more season and have a crack at a CL spot next season.

High expectation of a modern footballer to show a club some loyalty.

Agree, that was just my personal opinion.

[red till i die!!]

no one player is bigger than the club and we will move on, unfortunately it wont be next year because i have serious doubts that they will spend anything close to what we will get on a replacement.
fsg are a different kettle of fish compared to any previous owners we had and they are stingy so there is no way he will leave on the cheap.
personally im disapointed that suarez himself has chose to come out like this to force a move but he has previous  in that department so i guess its nothing new.
if we lose our core players like luis, skyrtel, reina, downing then serious questions need to be asked of fenway and the direction they are taking us in.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

amid all the doom and gloom lets not forget that we still have sturridge and coutinho (who link up really well together), we can definately build around those 2.
if we could bring luis muriel in then we`d be back in business imo.
we still have a few other key players (like agger and lucas) that we could build a very good side around if the club manages to bring in the right replacements.
we are not finished as a top club yet but we need the club to step up to the plate big time and bring in players like muriel and papadopolous.
if we dont bring quality like that in i can see us going through this suarez saga again next summer with coutinho.

[maguskwt]

Good that the club has come out and said that Luis Suarez is not for sale...

If he wants to go, clubs have to pay up a good amount... or feck off..., while at it, the club should tell Suarez to STFU...

Like ycsatbjywtbiastkamb had said, we still have sturridge and coutinho... and if Suarez were to go, all I ask from FSG is to re-invest whatever money we can get in building the team. It may even turn out better. Remember, BR has trouble accommodating all 3 of sturridge, coutinho and suarez... because they are quite similar to one another. If we can get good money for Suarez, and strengthen other areas, we may even have a stronger team.

This whining on here about losing Suarez is getting pathetic... all of a sudden the owners are the same as H&G. The owners are doing well IMHO, they made mistakes in their firs 1 1/2 season and they have admitted so. But the direction they are going with BR so far is good. Remember, they let BR buy Allen, Borini, Assaidi, Sturridge, Coutinho, loan move for Sahin, and then there was this other striker who's name I forgot. It's not like they are actually stingy, they just have a gameplan and we as fans should see it. We are trying to build a solid foundation and not trying to go too high too fast and then tumble down again.

If Suarez goes, we still move on as a club, no feckin big deal...

[red till i die!!]

failure to make the cl in the next 2 years will see both coutinho and sturridge leave.
your right yakka especially if coutinho rips it up next year clubs will be sniffing. i wasnt too impressed with rodgers when he said that luis wasnt for sale and then followed it up with every player has a price. he knows no player is safe if decent money is offered.
if we show ambition that we want top 4 and are prepared to sign the players to do it then no one would want to go because they will want to be apart of it. in the last 2 seasons we had a chance of top 4, under kenny we had a bad start but lacked firepower to put together a consistent winning run. this season we shot ourselves by leaving ourselves high and dry and in january we turned it around with our signings. if we had started the season like we finished the last 2 then we would be in the CL.
half of the signings we are linked with are cheap gambles and im not sure they would be any better than our own lads. henderson, teixera, suso, kelly, coates, sterling and shelvey are all promising and worth the effort but half of them will go on loan to make way for something that might not be any better.
in fairness to rodgers he is being given a tough task and his hands somewhat tied, most likely losing one of his biggest players and having to work within wage constraints to get a replacement. when we signed suarez we were paying him 35k a week. i couldnt believe that but thats what it was and purely the reason why we wont be looking to sign higuain or anything like him unless maybe on a bosman. i hope he gets it right next season because if we have a similar season to this one, then they will more than likely can him and we will be back to square one.
agger is 28 and lucas 26 and they have been here a while now, if an exodus of players begins this summer then they will also leave if there is interest and a chance of winning something else where. i can definately see rafa testing one or 2 now that he is napoli boss. most of those players signed for us after we had won the CL and appeared in another final so we had no problem attracting big names.
now we face losing them and im not so sure fenway are too bothered about it as they can get younger players in on half the pay. it looks like their restructuring process is well under way with most of the emphasis being on the payroll rather than the pitch. last season we lost kuyt,maxi,bellamy,adam and carroll and i wouldnt be surprised at all if we lose another 4 senior players now.
maybe all this will win us a league in 10 years but at the moment its just pure frustration .

[Green Environment]

He has the legal right to go any time he wants. Right now, he's issuing a 'Come and get me' message to top clubs throughout Europe with CL esp. RMadrid. I don't blame him for opting to go for greener pastures since it's unlikely we'll be having CL football any time soon and at least he's doing his 'marketing' early and not doing a Torres, Owen or a McManaman on us. But what I don't like about him is, he blames the press and paparazzi for his misery in England and not good for his daughter to know about how bad her daddy was. Well if he had behaved himself and conducted himself like a matured person on the field and not like a spoil brat who cheats, punch, kick and bite opponents, the press wouldn't have given him such a tough time. He brought all these things unto himself. If he still behaves like that in Spain, it will be the same old story for him. Anyway, I thank him for the goals and sublime skills he displayed during his time here and I wish him farewell and don't come back to haunt us if your RM happens to play Liverpool in future.

[Benny The Noon]

Suarez's words make a decidedly hollow sound
31 May 2013 Updated 20:20

By Phil McNulty - Chief football writer

Liverpool's strongly worded response to the public agitation of Luis Suarez is as predictable as the apparent exit strategy being utilised by their world-class striker.
Suarez is anything but predictable with a football at his feet - but the timing, location and excuses used in announcing his discontent with life in England all fall into that category.

Liverpool reacted pointedly and swiftly to interviews given in his native Uruguay this week in which the 26-year-old sent some less-than-subtle coded messages to his club and also to potential suitors.

They insisted that if Suarez was unhappy with his life in Liverpool, stretching his credibility to breaking point by suggesting he is the victim of torment by a cruel media, it is not a complaint he had registered directly with them.
Liverpool also reminded Suarez that he has a contract to honour at Anfield and, with some code of their own perhaps, added that they remain "supportive" - just as they have when he inflicted some fairly hefty blows on their global image.

Suarez, however, does seem set on engineering his departure from Liverpool and is following a well-worn track to do so. Returning to his Uruguay homeland, where he is worshipped and guaranteed a sympathetic hearing, he paints a picture of a poor soul whose life is being made a misery by a British media intent on hounding him, even suggesting the paparazzi make it impossible for him to go into his garden or visit the supermarket.

Nonsense of course.

The trouble Suarez has had since his arrival in England from Ajax has largely been of his own making as he was banned for eight games in December 2011 after being found guilty of racially abusing Manchester United's Patrice Evra and suspended for 10 games - a punishment will stretch into next season if he sticks around - for biting Chelsea's Branislav Ivanovic at Anfield in April.

It may come as a surprise to Suarez that his life might have been a lot quieter, and his media profile a lot lower, had he not been involved in those two incidents, as well as refusing to shake Evra's hand when Liverpool then met United at Old Trafford.

This was his doing, not the media - although his use of these reasons may make selling him a little easier and more palatable for Liverpool. Suarez's words make a decidedly hollow sound.

The reality, however, may be that it has dawned on Suarez that he is the stellar performer in a Liverpool team that shows no current signs of returning to the Champions League and reported interest from Real Madrid, Bayern Munich and Juventus will give him the sort of platform his talent deserves.

Make no mistake, for all his obvious flaws, this is a magnificent striker who would grace any football team anywhere in the world. Judged on his natural gifts alone, he deserves a place on the biggest stage.
It is the excess baggage he carries with him that means he as likely to be remembered for his unsavoury deeds on the pitch as much as what he offers as a player.
And as Liverpool and their supporters, most of whom have also pledged blind loyalty to Suarez despite his track record of poor behaviour, wrestled with the dilemma now facing them you suspect they might have sympathised if he had simply said he wanted to play in the Champions League at a more successful club.
They may not have liked hearing it - but they might have understood.

Blaming the media is going straight for the cheapest option, a flimsy fig leaf to disguise what most suspect are his true intentions.

In the days after Suarez's bite on Ivanovic, Liverpool were again hugely supportive of Suarez. Everyone at Anfield knows how vital he is, how he was almost single-handedly their main threat until the cavalry arrived in January in the shape of Daniel Sturridge.
This is why they will not countenance that Suarez wants to leave until they hear it from him. And of course they are hardly likely to suggest he is for sale - there is the price of a £40m asset to protect.

Suarez, in truth, owes Liverpool. They stood by him, wrong-headedly at times, during his troubles and might expect some gratitude in return. Modern football, however, does not work that way - and of course clubs are just as willing as players to manoeuvre a parting of the ways when it suits them.

Liverpool do not need this to be a summer-long saga. They need to clarify Suarez's intentions quickly and then act accordingly.

If this is simply a temporary period of unhappiness (very much the glass half-full option) then they can move the scenery along. If he wishes to leave they need to go about securing the best deal as soon as they can - not simply to rid themselves of an unhappy player but also to give manager Brendan Rodgers the time and money required to somehow replace the loss of one of the best strikers in world football.

These are the days plenty at Liverpool feared when he was given a 10-match ban by the Football Association. Now they must give Luis Suarez their full attention once more.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

it`s being reported this morning that there isnt a buy out clause 
tbh i couldnt care less now, he obviously wants out big time so whats the point in keeping someone who really doesnt want to be here.
even if we force him to stay for one more year, if his hearts not in it his performances may suffer and then his price will plummet.
i say lets get top dollar for him while his stock is high and move on, this idea of signing this luis muriel is growing on me, i think he`d fit our system perfectly.
as good as luis is we hardly missed him at the tail end of the season and he wasnt part of that demolition of newcastle which was one of our best performances in years (so we have proven we can play well without him). even if he stays we still have the problem of trying to shoehorn him and sturridge into the forward line.
yes it`s risky selling your best players but unlike that time when we sold torres, alonso etc we do have a bit of a saftey net with coutinho and sturridge, they have shown that they can do a very good job at this level (danny`s strike rate is actually better than luis).
so even worst case scenario if we do waste the money we will still be reasonably competative.
getting £40m-£50m for luis (who will be 27 next season) and reinvesting it in the team might just be the smart thing to do, it`s not often you can sell a top player and know you have someone already in place who can do a good job.

[Reg]

What will be, will be.  Every time Suarez goes home he blurts off, I guess its because he's a big fish in a small pond down there.

Still it's vaguely amusing that having wasted the 50 million we got for Torres, we get a second chance to spend more wisely.

Bottom line - as long as we don't get into CL we won't hold onto our top players.......

[Kenny Kan]

it`s being reported this morning that there isnt a buy out clause 
tbh i couldnt care less now, he obviously wants out big time so whats the point in keeping someone who really doesnt want to be here.
even if we force him to stay for one more year, if his hearts not in it his performances may suffer and then his price will plummet.
i say lets get top dollar for him while his stock is high and move on, this idea of signing this luis muriel is growing on me, i think he`d fit our system perfectly.
as good as luis is we hardly missed him at the tail end of the season and he wasnt part of that demolition of newcastle which was one of our best performances in years (so we have proven we can play well without him). even if he stays we still have the problem of trying to shoehorn him and sturridge into the forward line.
yes it`s risky selling your best players but unlike that time when we sold torres, alonso etc we do have a bit of a saftey net with coutinho and sturridge, they have shown that they can do a very good job at this level (danny`s strike rate is actually better than luis).
so even worst case scenario if we do waste the money we will still be reasonably competative.
getting £40m-£50m for luis (who will be 27 next season) and reinvesting it in the team might just be the smart thing to do, it`s not often you can sell a top player and know you have someone already in place who can do a good job.

I believe him.  if he stayed another year he'd still try his best - it's his character, he's a fighter. I cannot see him sulking petulantly like a certain Fernando Torres did for the best part of 18 months on a football pitch.

I'd wait if possible til he returns, it seems that whenever he goes to Uruguay he's always saying something and it gets twisted, blown out of proportion, rang through the dryer in so many different ways that each tabloid has their own interpretation on what it is he saying. He may have been more explicit this time, but I think Rodgers needs to hear this face to face even persuade him a bit before we go to any suitors and say 'show us the money'.

I don't think it's worth throwing the towel in just yet and going by the club's response, neither do they.

When is he due back, that's what I want to know?

[SouthCoastShankly]

it`s being reported this morning that there isnt a buy out clause 
tbh i couldnt care less now, he obviously wants out big time so whats the point in keeping someone who really doesnt want to be here.
even if we force him to stay for one more year, if his hearts not in it his performances may suffer and then his price will plummet.
i say lets get top dollar for him while his stock is high and move on, this idea of signing this luis muriel is growing on me, i think he`d fit our system perfectly.
as good as luis is we hardly missed him at the tail end of the season and he wasnt part of that demolition of newcastle which was one of our best performances in years (so we have proven we can play well without him). even if he stays we still have the problem of trying to shoehorn him and sturridge into the forward line.
yes it`s risky selling your best players but unlike that time when we sold torres, alonso etc we do have a bit of a saftey net with coutinho and sturridge, they have shown that they can do a very good job at this level (danny`s strike rate is actually better than luis).
so even worst case scenario if we do waste the money we will still be reasonably competative.
getting £40m-£50m for luis (who will be 27 next season) and reinvesting it in the team might just be the smart thing to do, it`s not often you can sell a top player and know you have someone already in place who can do a good job.

I believe him.  if he stayed another year he'd still try his best - it's his character, he's a fighter. I cannot see him sulking petulantly like a certain Fernando Torres did for the best part of 18 months on a football pitch.

I'd wait if possible til he returns, it seems that whenever he goes to Uruguay he's always saying something and it gets twisted, blown out of proportion, rang through the dryer in so many different ways that each tabloid has their own interpretation on what it is he saying. He may have been more explicit this time, but I think Rodgers needs to hear this face to face even persuade him a bit before we go to any suitors and say 'show us the money'.

I don't think it's worth throwing the towel in just yet and going by the club's response, neither do they.

When is he due back, that's what I want to know?

So Tony Barrett form the Times clarifies the 'buy out clause' situation in this mornings paper

One complicating factor is the presence of a clause in Suárez’s contract that requires them to consider offers of £40 million. Sources close to the club, though, maintain that it does not compel them to accept bids for that amount and insist that it will not prevent them from seeking a far higher figure.