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by **NANNY RED** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 7:46 pm

Toffeehater wrote:Liverpool to sacrifice Xabi for Mascherano deal
tribalfootball.com - January 03, 2008

Liverpool are prepared to consider the sale of Xabi Alonso.

Xabi is a target for Barcelona and the Mirror says the Reds could be willing to listen to offers, especially if it provides the funds to help keep Javier Mascherano at Anfield.

And Nanny sorry to say this , but i think if it came down to a point where we have to sell alonso to finance the deal for mascherano i would take it

Not a

chance

by **Toffeehater** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 7:47 pm

ivor_the_injun wrote:Headline: "Liverpool to sacrifice..."
Main article: "...the Reds could be willing to listen to offers..."

Bit of a change there. Next...

well its just a rumour mate and i was just saying what i feel i would do and like many here ..

by **Toffeehater** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 7:51 pm

s@int wrote:
stmichael wrote:i've also heard that juventus want sissoko and are offering jonathan zebina in exchange. don't know how much truth there is in it but zebina is a french international who we were linked with constantly during houlliers time here. he's a centre half who can also fill in at right back.

He's also cr@p from what I can remember StMike

you basing that on personal experience when juventus played us?

by **NANNY RED** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 8:04 pm

s@int wrote:Latest rumour is that we are going for Wayne Bridge off Chelsea Why would we want to go for him, he's no better than what we already have (unless he can play CB?)

Exacly Saint not good enough for the chavs certainly not good enough for us :no

by **Coiso** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 8:22 pm

Sabre if you can please translate this...

"Dos opciones con futuro para el equipo que dirige Rijkaard son los jóvenes Schmeichel e Idanje, del Manchester City y del Liverpool respectivamente. El primero, que se encuentra cedido en el Cardiff galés, deslumbró en las primeras jornadas de la Premier tras mantener su portería a cero durante los primeros partidos del año. Respecto al meta suplente del Liverpool, que vive a la sombra de Reina, es una de 'joyas' del fútbol galo."

in http://www.marca.com/edicion....59.html

It seems that Barcelona is interested in Itandje

Regards from your Portuguese correspondent.

by **JoeTerp** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 9:33 pm

Coiso wrote:Sabre if you can please translate this...

"Dos opciones con futuro para el equipo que dirige Rijkaard son los jóvenes Schmeichel e Idanje, del Manchester City y del Liverpool respectivamente. El primero, que se encuentra cedido en el Cardiff galés, deslumbró en las primeras jornadas de la Premier tras mantener su portería a cero durante los primeros partidos del año. Respecto al meta suplente del Liverpool, que vive a la sombra de Reina, es una de 'joyas' del fútbol galo."

in http://www.marca.com/edicion....59.html

It seems that Barcelona is interested in Itandje

Regards from your Portuguese correspondent.

Don't think we can sell Itandje unitl Martin gets some more loan experience.

by **Bermenstein** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:06 pm

Toffeehater wrote:Liverpool to sacrifice Xabi for Mascherano deal
tribalfootball.com - January 03, 2008

Liverpool are prepared to consider the sale of Xabi Alonso.

Xabi is a target for Barcelona and the Mirror says the Reds could be willing to listen to offers, especially if it provides the funds to help keep Javier Mascherano at Anfield.

And Nanny sorry to say this , but i think if it came down to a point where we have to sell alonso to finance the deal for mascherano i would take it

We should be able to keep all our class players. We have lots of deadwood to offload.......

by **LFC2007** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:58 pm

I hate transfer talk, it's all about how many millions you have to spend, if you can persuade young millionaires to join your club etc. There is far too much money in football nowadays. It does my fuckin head in.

It dilutes the meaning of football.

by **account deleted by request** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 12:31 am

I love the transfer talk, you can believe the rumours you like ,and dismiss the ones you don't and at the end of the day they sign someone you have never heard of so its all good fun.

You get to play champ manager, picking and choosing the players that are going to turn your team around and if they fail its the managers fault and if they don't sign you can say ifihadnabinfor missing out on them we would have won the league.

As long as people don't take the rumours too seriously I think its a great laugh, and also educational, because people are always searching for unknown players from strange countries to start rumours about

by **JoeTerp** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 12:41 am

all the money in football actually makes it more important because not only are people's passions at stake but millions of pounds as well. If there were no money in football that would mean that the games wouldn't be televised and that the grounds would be half filled and all the players would be nearly amatuers which would bring down the quality of play and localize it.

And if you think that there is too much money just in the English game, then all good English players would play abroad.

So yes corporatism sucks and takes away a bit from the pureness of the game, but it is a result from the game being so popular

by **LFC2007** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:47 am

JoeTerp wrote:all the money in football actually makes it more important because not only are people's passions at stake but millions of pounds as well. If there were no money in football that would mean that the games wouldn't be televised and that the grounds would be half filled and all the players would be nearly amatuers which would bring down the quality of play and localize it.

And if you think that there is too much money just in the English game, then all good English players would play abroad.

So yes corporatism sucks and takes away a bit from the pureness of the game, but it is a result from the game being so popular

I have absolutely no doubt that the more money that is pumped into football, the more it corrupts the spirit of the game.

I also have no doubt that players nowadays, are increasingly motivated by money. Ok, people are motivated by various means, but footballers are noted for their materialistic nature, and whilst money may not be the sole factor that motivates these types of characters, it is surely a predominant factor for a significant preponderance of them. There are of course exceptions. Subconsciously, I'm sure the knowledge that a player has a few million quid sitting in their bank account affects their desire and motivation, whether they refute it or not. How would a player feel if their families were dependent on them performing week in week out? I suspect a different degree of urgency and desire would take hold of them - it's only human nature.

I'm not in any way suggesting that football players should have their wages capped, or that clubs have their transfer spending capped - nothing like that. I'm merely making an observation concerning our game.

It's a question of extent, for some strange reason, a majority of people on this forum can't grasp the concept of extent. Surely at some stage in their lives, everyone has had a question put to them that follows something along the lines of; 'To what extent do you believe....'.

I'm not saying football would be better if it had 'no money' or even 'significantly less' money in it. I'm questioning the motivation of those in the game more than anything else.

Ask yourselves; 'what is football about?'.

For me, it's about passion, desire and representation above all esle.

Money has no doubt aided the development of football, but it's now at the stage whereby so much money has flooded into the game, it begins to corrupt the spirit of the game, i.e. the core values cited above ^.

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In the short term, fans may not necessarily feel the pinch when it comes to fitting the bill for all this extra money that's being thrown about. Basically because we're seeing more and more Billionaires enter the game, who in the short-term, can support this spending.

Long term, different story altogether IMO.

One day, when the product lifecycle of the EPL becomes saturated, a few of these Billionaire owners may decide to up and leave.

The only way to sustain this spending is to increase revenue significantly, ulimately this means the fans or supporters will end up paying. Directly e.g. through ticket prices, or indirectly e.g. through increases in the cost of TV rights, or alterations in the structure of TV rights that aims to generate more revenue for clubs - as we've already seen with the Setanta deal. Ultimately the fans pay.

If these revenue sources are unsustainable, and major benefactors leave, then you have real problems. You have sky high wage expenditure, and not the revenue to match. Take Chelsea for example. If Abramovich left any time soon, they'd be faced with significant financial difficulties. You can't sustain wage expenditure of such magnitude if you don't have the revenue sources to match it.

In order to generate this extra revenue, football will turn even more commercial, examples being the naming rights for stadia being sold off - thus diluting what I consider to be the core values of the game - or put another way, the traditional values of the game. I don't want to go to a 'coca-cola' stadium, or any other branded name for that matter. This is not American football.

by **LFC2007** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:54 am

s@int wrote:You get to play champ manager, picking and choosing the players that are going to turn your team around and if they fail its the managers fault and if they don't sign you can say ifihadnabinfor missing out on them we would have won the league.

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by **account deleted by request** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:49 am

About enjoying the transfer rumours etc yes. Every year we are "just a couple of players short" of having a title winning team. Every year we pick the players that could make the "difference". Disect them, discuss them, analyse them before tossing some aside as not good enough and moving others to the top of the wanted list. Prices banded about as if it was nothing to spend £10million on a player who we have never seen play "but heard good things about". I think its great honestly.

I get more laughs out of the transfer rumours than any other section.

As you know if we had signed G.Milito and Aguero or Eto'o this season we would probably have already won the league by now. Obviously they were my picks

by **LFC2007** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:52 am

s@int wrote:About enjoying the transfer rumours etc yes. Every year we are "just a couple of players short" of having a title winning team. Every year we pick the players that could make the "difference". Disect them, discuss them, analyse them before tossing some aside as not good enough and moving others to the top of the wanted list. Prices banded about as if it was nothing to spend £10million on a player who we have never seen play "but heard good things about". I think its great honestly.

I get more laughs out of the transfer rumours than any other section.

As you know if we had signed G.Milito and Aguero or Eto'o this season we would probably have already won the league by now. Obviously they were my picks

That's fair enough, and I can see how it's appealing, it's an opportunity to make changes like no other. Seasons can depend upon transfers, e.g. many would argue Bolton/Anelka right now is a good example of this.

by **skatesy** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 9:34 am

Bermenstein wrote:
Toffeehater wrote:Liverpool to sacrifice Xabi for Mascherano deal
tribalfootball.com - January 03, 2008

Liverpool are prepared to consider the sale of Xabi Alonso.

Xabi is a target for Barcelona and the Mirror says the Reds could be willing to listen to offers, especially if it provides the funds to help keep Javier Mascherano at Anfield.

And Nanny sorry to say this , but i think if it came down to a point where we have to sell alonso to finance the deal for mascherano i would take it

We should be able to keep all our class players. We have lots of deadwood to offload.......

I agree. I think that there a lot of players we can get rid of safely before having to consider the likes of Alonso. Case in point - SISSOKO!

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