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Postby Ben Patrick » Fri Apr 23, 2010 1:45 pm

bigmick wrote:
Owzat wrote:And what planet is his agent on/from?!? Like players on long contracts can't be bought/sold ???

This may prove to be a particularly sticky sticking point should we ever conclude that a 20 million pound footballer sitting on the bench every game may not after all be the best use of our resources.

Given his injury record past and present, and given the fact that he'll be on huge wages at Liverpool and has a five year contract, I wouldn't be surprised if we're not exactly knocked over in the rush by potential suitors. Those that are interested may want to take him off our hands for significantly less than we paid for him. I suggested 5 million quid might even be as low as he might end up being worth a while ago, which predictably caused a few wrist slashers and stalkers to choke on their cornflakes, but we really might end up catching a cold with this fella. I don't even know if we'll be able to apply the "Keane formula" on this occasion to make it all seem less painless  (The "Keane" formula: (x-y=z. Let x= 20 and y=12, then tie yourself up in knots and talk b0ll0cks trying to make z=1).

That said, I was never clever enough to understand the "Keane" formula in the first place, being the fool I am I always thought 20-12 was 8, but it just goes to show what I know. In the case of Aquilani, x will still be 20, but z may be as high as 12-15, so then the acedmics on here can produce some sort of formula whereby x-y=4 or something (4 being the amount of millions lost). Don't ask me how they'll do it, but i do know that "taking away the number you first thought of" will feature in the equation somewhere.

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Postby Dundalk » Fri Apr 23, 2010 1:54 pm

bigmick wrote:
Owzat wrote:And what planet is his agent on/from?!? Like players on long contracts can't be bought/sold ???

This may prove to be a particularly sticky sticking point should we ever conclude that a 20 million pound footballer sitting on the bench every game may not after all be the best use of our resources.

Given his injury record past and present, and given the fact that he'll be on huge wages at Liverpool and has a five year contract, I wouldn't be surprised if we're not exactly knocked over in the rush by potential suitors. Those that are interested may want to take him off our hands for significantly less than we paid for him. I suggested 5 million quid might even be as low as he might end up being worth a while ago, which predictably caused a few wrist slashers and stalkers to choke on their cornflakes, but we really might end up catching a cold with this fella. I don't even know if we'll be able to apply the "Keane formula" on this occasion to make it all seem less painless  (The "Keane" formula: (x-y=z. Let x= 20 and y=12, then tie yourself up in knots and talk b0ll0cks trying to make z=1).

That said, I was never clever enough to understand the "Keane" formula in the first place, being the fool I am I always thought 20-12 was 8, but it just goes to show what I know. In the case of Aquilani, x will still be 20, but z may be as high as 12-15, so then the acedmics on here can produce some sort of formula whereby x-y=4 or something (4 being the amount of millions lost). Don't ask me how they'll do it, but i do know that "taking away the number you first thought of" will feature in the equation somewhere.

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Postby 7_Kewell » Fri Apr 23, 2010 2:31 pm

andy_g wrote:it doesn't matter if we paid 20 million, 5 million, 346 million or swapped him for an old panini album. if benitez doesn't use him its a criminal and inexplicable waste.

spot on fella. People say our chairmen are soley to blame for our league form, but that isn't the case when our manager sells one of our best players and replaces him with the Italian version of Darren Anderton
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Postby LFC2007 » Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:00 pm

bigmick wrote:Funnily enough I totally agree with rafa not playing him, because he isn't good enough. It really is as simple as that.

Partial b0llocks mate  :D  He may not be good enough in the long-run however he is definitely better than Lucas and certainly worth a punt in more games than he's been given. His passing is better, his touch is better, his movement is better, he carries the ball better, he doesn't put his foot in or get head on it or is as physical as he needs to be but neither is Lucas and therefore he IS better. Just as - to a lesser extent - one might argue that Babel is worth giving more of a go up top instead of Ngog.

I just can't see where we'll go with this one. If he's playing second fiddle to Lucas in dead rubbers, who'll get the nod going into next season? It seems the situation is only going to change if a new manager comes in or if we sell Aquilani. Feck more of the same. We can't be having any more of this ridiculous sitaution.
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Postby Sir Roger » Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:18 pm

Anyone who says Aquilani is not better than Lucas needs their bumps feeling
Rafas stubborness, caution and his unwillingness to admit hes fu'cked up keep Lucas as one of the first choice palyers in the team.
No other "top four" manager would give him a look in. I guarantee Aquilani would blossom in any of the top three just for being a creative midfielder who looks forward instead of sideways or backwards.
Lucas is ordinary to say the least.
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Postby rocky29 » Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:42 pm

Sir Roger wrote:Anyone who says Aquilani is not better than Lucas needs their bumps feeling
Rafas stubborness, caution and his unwillingness to admit hes fu'cked up keep Lucas as one of the first choice palyers in the team.
No other "top four" manager would give him a look in. I guarantee Aquilani would blossom in any of the top three just for being a creative midfielder who looks forward instead of sideways or backwards.
Lucas is ordinary to say the least.
And thats a compliment

absolutely spot on ihmo. I cannot believe people on here doubt aquilanis abilities. Everyone who doubts him should watch the sunderland game were he totally ran the show. Plus it makes me so mad when people say he doesnt get stuck in. When hes just come off major sugery and isnt being played regular and in a much faster more physical league.
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Postby Penguins » Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:45 pm

rocky29 wrote:
Sir Roger wrote:Anyone who says Aquilani is not better than Lucas needs their bumps feeling
Rafas stubborness, caution and his unwillingness to admit hes fu'cked up keep Lucas as one of the first choice palyers in the team.
No other "top four" manager would give him a look in. I guarantee Aquilani would blossom in any of the top three just for being a creative midfielder who looks forward instead of sideways or backwards.
Lucas is ordinary to say the least.
And thats a compliment

absolutely spot on ihmo. I cannot believe people on here doubt aquilanis abilities. Everyone who doubts him should watch the sunderland game were he totally ran the show. Plus it makes me so mad when people say he doesnt get stuck in. When hes just come off major sugery and isnt being played regular and in a much faster more physical league.

Lucas doesn't get stuck in more that's for sure. And Aquilani has more skill in his pinky toe than Lucas has in total.

I actually see hope that when fully fit, Aquilani can make the grade in a CL club. With Lucas I doubt he is good enough to cope in the Europa league.
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Postby shawnk » Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:42 pm

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bigmick wrote:Quote Reg " Dont get in the way of the manic depressives Fauxy, they're on a mission."


Bad advice that Reg. Manic depressives such as yourself try your best to bring everyone down, but with determination you can be swerved, and people can be optimists.

You see when you get all depressed and tell all and sundry that the best we can hope for under these owners is mediocrity, I disagree. I AM POSITIVE, OPTIMISTIC that we can do a lot better than being neck and neck with Birmingham all season before finally getting the better of them. You might try and convince everyone that in actual fact it is unrealistic to expect to finish above Aston Villa, you would given your negative and depressive stance, but I don't agree because I AM POSITIVE AND OPTIMISTIC.

You probably buy into the depressives mantra that so far has our star fallen that Roy Hodgson would laugh at the prospect of managing us, Martin O' Neill would c0ck a snook (whatever the feck that is). Alex Mcgleish wouldn't even consider it, leaving the way open for the only two candidates on planet Earth who would apply, namely Neil Warnock and Glenn Roeder. I don't buy that at all, because I AM POSITIVE AND OPTIMISTIC that we are still a great football club who the premier managers in the World today would be falling over themselves to take on.

You might tell people that negativity and depressionis the only way, but for too long you and others like you have bleated on here about nasty people not agreeing with you. You and others cry in your beer if anyone dares to point out that we've actually got a good team, with good players. You dampen down any positivity by telling us we can forget about doing well, we are destined only for mid table mediocrity.

From today, I think it's time for us positivos to fight back. Shout it from the rooftops. We ARE A GOOD TEAM AND WE HAVE GOOD PLAYERS. We CAN CHALLENGE FOR THE TITLE NEXT SEASON, EVEN IF WE DON'T SIGN ANYBODY. IF WE DRAW READING IN THE FA CUP NEXT SEASON, AND MANAGE TO EEK OUT A DRAW AT THEIR PLACE, WE WILL BEAT THEM AT HOME, WE MIGHT EVEN WIN AT THEIR PLACE YOU NEVER KNOW. WE WON'T LOSE 15 TIMES IN THE SEASON, NOR WILL WE SPEND 20 MILLION QUID ANY MORE ON PLAYERS WE DON'T ACTUALLY WANT.

Shout it from the rooftops Fauxy and don't let the negativos drag you down, THINGS WILL GET BETTER.

Join the positivos.

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Postby Sir Roger » Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:47 am

Penguins wrote:
rocky29 wrote:
Sir Roger wrote:Anyone who says Aquilani is not better than Lucas needs their bumps feeling
Rafas stubborness, caution and his unwillingness to admit hes fu'cked up keep Lucas as one of the first choice palyers in the team.
No other "top four" manager would give him a look in. I guarantee Aquilani would blossom in any of the top three just for being a creative midfielder who looks forward instead of sideways or backwards.
Lucas is ordinary to say the least.
And thats a compliment

absolutely spot on ihmo. I cannot believe people on here doubt aquilanis abilities. Everyone who doubts him should watch the sunderland game were he totally ran the show. Plus it makes me so mad when people say he doesnt get stuck in. When hes just come off major sugery and isnt being played regular and in a much faster more physical league.

Lucas doesn't get stuck in more that's for sure. And Aquilani has more skill in his pinky toe than Lucas has in total.

I actually see hope that when fully fit, Aquilani can make the grade in a CL club. With Lucas I doubt he is good enough to cope in the Europa league.

One thing I have realised over the years is how people view a match differently.
I have been absolutely astounded sometimes when I have come out of Anfield and gone the pub and spoken to other reds and listened to their views on what I had just watched.
I have been gushing about how we have played really well and deserved to win or at least get a draw only to be told we were sh'ite. I have seen us play like an alehouse team only to be told we were like Brazil in 1970.
Lucas is a prime example of this phenominem. I see sh'it, others see class. Two seasons ago I was told "hes young, give him a chance and he will shine". Hes had his chance and shines as much as a turd in a cave.
On the other hand Aquilani has not had the chance to shine. He has been given few starts and brief substitutions in a team which has struggled all season, and then been expected to turn on some supernatural power which turns an anal, stifled, uncreative, static, boring, predictable team into Barcelona in 90 minutes or less. Not playing him against athletico and preffering Ngog up front alone says everything about Rafa's philosophy.
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Postby parchpea » Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:58 am

Despite the squad being thin we still have enough to field a decent side that can take the game to the opposition. Managers dont change, you have to change the manager if you want something different.Until then we have to accept Benitez will select players that can cover ground and tackle rather than lads that can run with the ball or turn a game.Acqualani must have something to offer, like a few others on the books, but is repressed by the system and strategy of the manager.
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Postby Sir Roger » Sat Apr 24, 2010 10:34 am

parchpea wrote:Despite the squad being thin we still have enough to field a decent side that can take the game to the opposition. Managers dont change, you have to change the manager if you want something different.Until then we have to accept Benitez will select players that can cover ground and tackle rather than lads that can run with the ball or turn a game.Acqualani must have something to offer, like a few others on the books, but is repressed by the system and strategy of the manager.

Rafa is no different to most managers I suspect. He is the gaffer and will do it his way. Like them he doesnt like criticism (purple nose, wenger) is stubborn, arrogant and thinks he knows best.
The difference is in their philosophy. The skanks are forward looking, attacking and dont give up. The ar'se are technically gifted, flowing and nice to watch.
We are neither of these and that is embodied in the manager. Its his team, tactics, formation and ultimately we succeed or fail because of him. I often wonder if he sits and watches games on his own the day after another frustrating performance and secretly thinks "Fu*king hell, how boring, predictable and toothless are we? I should change things to make us win"
But then when I see the next game I know that he hasnt.
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Postby Kopite -7- » Sun Apr 25, 2010 12:38 am

Alberto. I dont know what to say about this lad. We havnt seen enough of him to really place any proper judgement...but then...thats partially down to injury's and a strange 'viral conditions' he had had, which is part of the Alberto package.

He looks a player with good technique, a good footballing brain and all that. Just my opinion but he doesnt look like he is enjoying playing when he's on the pitch. He is a luxery player. Like Deco is for Chelsea if you want a comparison. I prefer an explosive box to box player with a bit more energy. So Alberto isnt my cup of tea.

As for the price tag of 20 million, well, Roma must have laughed all the way to the bank...
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Postby Sir Roger » Sun Apr 25, 2010 10:27 am

Kopite -7- wrote:Alberto. I dont know what to say about this lad. We havnt seen enough of him to really place any proper judgement...but then...thats partially down to injury's and a strange 'viral conditions' he had had, which is part of the Alberto package.

He looks a player with good technique, a good footballing brain and all that. Just my opinion but he doesnt look like he is enjoying playing when he's on the pitch. He is a luxery player. Like Deco is for Chelsea if you want a comparison. I prefer an explosive box to box player with a bit more energy. So Alberto isnt my cup of tea.

As for the price tag of 20 million, well, Roma must have laughed all the way to the bank...

Ive seen enough of him with his two assists to kuyt, both where he took a whack for his troubles, and his well taken goal that hes a good player. Add on to this as his forward and creative play, and he has convinced me that with the right formation, backing from the manager and the support of the fans that he wil be an outstanding player for us next season
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Postby bigmick » Sun Apr 25, 2010 10:37 am

I've seen enough of him already. He won't be a success in English football I'm pretty sure of that, and the fact that Lucas keeps him out of the team says it all really. A truly stupendously bad signing.
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