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only me wrote:

Greavesie wrote:

only me wrote:BTW - another depressing thought we might not See Torres anymore in Anfield.....

He's going to be here, he said so himself

I really hope so - but if Rafa continues to produce a none competative squad and surely a hugh offer is already on it's way for Torres well...I have my doubts.

Torres left Atletico Madrid to Liverpool to be in world class club ,if we continue to drift in mediocrity he will not stay ,remember next season we are out of the CL.

kazza wrote:

bigmick wrote:I remember reading about Mourinho when he first arrived at Chelsea, how he gave each player a dossier detailing what their behaviour should be, what the new ethos was, talked about diet, preparation, mindset etc. The idea was that from the first minute of the first pre-season game they (Chelsea) were going absolutely all out to win four competitions. Failure simply would not be tolerated, even in pre season friendlies, and winning was a habit which had to be honed so it could be repeated even when all other aspects of the teams performance failed. During pre season they largely fielded their strongest teams, working on different set-ups within the game, working on situations where they scored first and sat, even aping situations where they were behind when they actually weren't. They pressed centrally to force teams wider and encourage them to knock it long into Carvallho and Terry's green zone, they worked tirelessly with the Makeleli axis in order to establish a bridgehead.

That was when he arrived but what about his last two years when all they won was an FA cup (and maybe a CC I cannot remember) surely he employed the same ethos and preparation? Get over the fixation on Mourinho he's never a long term solution.

I think our poor season has a lot to do with all the uncertainty with the Alonso transfer and we never quite got out of the funk. Hard to prepare your team when such a key player leaves in preseason.

laza wrote:IIRC correctly there were a few people on here quite happy to sell Alonso after his poor injury plagued season. We got a great price for him the following season and it did wonders for our cause

Torres still banged in 18 goals on one leg this season, so I prefer we kept him

boodiddy1 wrote:some people hey? internet fuds!

To contemplate selling the best striker we have had since Rush? In fact would these same idiots have wanted rush gone when he got a cruciate injury in 87? When he couldnt quite shift Aldo out of starting eleven in 89?

the internet has been great, but this kind of nonesense from daft little buggers wanting to sell Torres cos he's had a few injuries begs belief.

I see someone mention Aguero has already proven world class! Which world? Totally inept against us last season, very few goals this. Stick to Champ Manager kids and let Rafa or whoever decide. Its almost getting worse than Lakes' drivel about his mates at ML, students etc.

In fact, no fack it, lets sell torres, gerrard and masch and let us build again with N'gog, Pacheco and Plessis. The Liverpool babes???

I was expecting a post like this 

As ive said, Torres is one of my favorite players and probably the best striker in the world. I know how great his talent is.

But what use is an amazing talent if he is injured all the time?

Aguero was just an example mate. He might not be proven world class or whatever but there is no denying that he is very very good and would be there available for us rather than in the injury list.

Last season Torres made 24 appearences, this season he has made 22. Next season? who knows. He could indeed get over his injury problems suddenly so I would give him another season but £60+ Million for a player who can only make 22 appearences in a season would be a steal regardless of talent.

And what is with the sarcasm at the end of your comment? Im saying I would consider selling Torres because he's injury prone.. not because of his ability

s@int wrote:

kazza wrote:

bigmick wrote:I remember reading about Mourinho when he first arrived at Chelsea, how he gave each player a dossier detailing what their behaviour should be, what the new ethos was, talked about diet, preparation, mindset etc. The idea was that from the first minute of the first pre-season game they (Chelsea) were going absolutely all out to win four competitions. Failure simply would not be tolerated, even in pre season friendlies, and winning was a habit which had to be honed so it could be repeated even when all other aspects of the teams performance failed. During pre season they largely fielded their strongest teams, working on different set-ups within the game, working on situations where they scored first and sat, even aping situations where they were behind when they actually weren't. They pressed centrally to force teams wider and encourage them to knock it long into Carvallho and Terry's green zone, they worked tirelessly with the Makeleli axis in order to establish a bridgehead.

That was when he arrived but what about his last two years when all they won was an FA cup (and maybe a CC I cannot remember) surely he employed the same ethos and preparation? Get over the fixation on Mourinho he's never a long term solution.

I think our poor season has a lot to do with all the uncertainty with the Alonso transfer and we never quite got out of the funk. Hard to prepare your team when such a key player leaves in preseason.

Yeah, Mourinho only won two cups in his last two seasons at Chelsea, Rafa has won NOTHING for four seasons mate

bavlondon wrote:

s@int wrote:

kazza wrote:

bigmick wrote:I remember reading about Mourinho when he first arrived at Chelsea, how he gave each player a dossier detailing what their behaviour should be, what the new ethos was, talked about diet, preparation, mindset etc. The idea was that from the first minute of the first pre-season game they (Chelsea) were going absolutely all out to win four competitions. Failure simply would not be tolerated, even in pre season friendlies, and winning was a habit which had to be honed so it could be repeated even when all other aspects of the teams performance failed. During pre season they largely fielded their strongest teams, working on different set-ups within the game, working on situations where they scored first and sat, even aping situations where they were behind when they actually weren't. They pressed centrally to force teams wider and encourage them to knock it long into Carvallho and Terry's green zone, they worked tirelessly with the Makeleli axis in order to establish a bridgehead.

That was when he arrived but what about his last two years when all they won was an FA cup (and maybe a CC I cannot remember) surely he employed the same ethos and preparation? Get over the fixation on Mourinho he's never a long term solution.

I think our poor season has a lot to do with all the uncertainty with the Alonso transfer and we never quite got out of the funk. Hard to prepare your team when such a key player leaves in preseason.

Yeah, Mourinho only won two cups in his last two seasons at Chelsea, Rafa has won NOTHING for four seasons mate

Mourinho was able to go out and buy anyone pretty much and almost always got his first target. He also didn't have to raise funds before he could sell with a 1 in 1 out system as Rafa has been hampered with.

You can look at the total figure all you want but it will never make his spending and Mourinhos spending the same mate.

I never said anything about the spending mate, I concentrated on the FACTS that Mourinho won two cups in his last two years which was somehow seen as failure while Rafa has won nothing in four years and is somehow seen as a huge success.

I am not arguing about money again (at least not for a while  ) A manager has to get the best out of the players and money available ...... Rafa has in my view FAILED to do so.