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by **Sabre** » Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:36 pm

Arbeloa was an easy one to predict.

Phase 1) Average-good player that goes back to Madrid and doesn't seem convincing enough to be one of a defenders of a team of Kakas and ROnaldos. Completed.

Phase 2) He's now being used in the left when there are injuries, a la soft Riise. In progress

Phase 3) He'll end up in a mid spanish team. It will happen.

Johnson, even at his worse, is twice the player of Arbeloa at his best. Next question.

by **Igor Zidane** » Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:38 pm

LFC2007 wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:Arbeloa sh!ts all over Johnson defensivly

You see, mate, I'm not so sure of this one. I think it's the case of two things:

1) Johnson's reputation for defensive frailty preceding him to the extent that many take it as given he's weak at the back

2) A player (Arbeloa in this case) growing in stature because we've been poor in his absence

But, from what I've seen, Johnson has been quite good at the back--much better than I expected given his reputation anyway. And, from what I distinctly remember, Arbeloa was prone to occasional bouts of ball-watching, flatfootedness and poor positioning that made him no more than a solid defender rather than a completely, 100% reliable one. I dare say it's a bit of a myth that Arbeloa was a much better defensive fullback than Johnson.

Absolutely spot on.

Well i disagree on that score bob ,because imo the defense with albert in it for the three season's prior to this one was pretty solid . It's all good though , cos i think johnson's defensive frailties are more than made up for by his attacking instinct . I thought very highly of albert from start to finish .From his first game for us when he saw messi of the park .

by **roberto green** » Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:40 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:
Fowler_E7 wrote:is this thread some sort of joke?

Thats what i thought

We have one of the most positive posters on the boards usually but he is critical of one of our best players in the first part of the season.
His form has dipped but he is far better than Arbeloa.

and I agree, It was a bit tongue n cheek, I wanted to see how split the vote was and TBH I didn't think it would be so one sided but in terms of value if we could of bought Arbeloa again and had 15m left instead of buying Johnson and spent the money on a proper out and out winger I would of done that.

P.S

I am still a positive poster

by **Sabre** » Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:41 pm

Well i disagree on that score bob ,because imo the defense with albert in it for the three season's prior to this one was pretty solid .

Arbeloa was solid because the team was solid. The team wasn't solid because of Arbeloa, for that matter Finnan was as solid.

Put Arbeloa instead of Glenn and we'd have 6 goals more against us.

by **Igor Zidane** » Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:45 pm

Sabre wrote:
Well i disagree on that score bob ,because imo the defense with albert in it for the three season's prior to this one was pretty solid .

Arbeloa was solid because the team was solid. The team wasn't solid because of Arbeloa, for that matter Finnan was as solid.

Put Arbeloa instead of Glenn and we'd have 6 goals more against us.

No mate i can't agree , i think part of the reason we've been so frail this year is our central defenders are worried about the ball coming from the flanks in open play and set pieces . THere doesn't seem to be alot of trust there IMO.

by **roberto green** » Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:48 pm

Fauxy wrote:Speaking of Johnson.. lets hope him and Gerrard dont get shot at if they get to the world cup final in Africa

Should never be hosted in a country were people on the streets have guns

what a ridiculous narrow minded statement.

:no

by **Cool Hand Luke** » Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:49 pm

Would you rather have Johnson for 17.5mil, or Arbeloa for 2.5mil and spend the remaining 15mil on a top striker/creative midfielder?

It’s easy to argue that we are better off having Johnson in our starting 11 than Arbeloa and it’s not hard to come up with an argument for the reverse, but committing 17.5mil to a right back when other areas of the team are so weak is just plain stupid.

by **LFC2007** » Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:49 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:
Sabre wrote:
Well i disagree on that score bob ,because imo the defense with albert in it for the three season's prior to this one was pretty solid .

Arbeloa was solid because the team was solid. The team wasn't solid because of Arbeloa, for that matter Finnan was as solid.

Put Arbeloa instead of Glenn and we'd have 6 goals more against us.

No mate i can't agree , i think part of the reason we've been so frail this year is our central defenders are worried about the ball coming from the flanks in open play and set pieces . THere doesn't seem to be alot of trust there IMO.

Cut to the chase. Whose fault is it?

by **Igor Zidane** » Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:56 pm

LFC2007 wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
Sabre wrote:
Well i disagree on that score bob ,because imo the defense with albert in it for the three season's prior to this one was pretty solid .

Arbeloa was solid because the team was solid. The team wasn't solid because of Arbeloa, for that matter Finnan was as solid.

Put Arbeloa instead of Glenn and we'd have 6 goals more against us.

No mate i can't agree , i think part of the reason we've been so frail this year is our central defenders are worried about the ball coming from the flanks in open play and set pieces . THere doesn't seem to be alot of trust there IMO.

Cut to the chase. Whose fault is it?

You know you want me to say it .

RRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAFAAAAAAAAAAA'SSSSSSSSS FFFFFFFFFAAAAAUUUUULLLLTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!

by **roberto green** » Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:11 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
Sabre wrote:
Well i disagree on that score bob ,because imo the defense with albert in it for the three season's prior to this one was pretty solid .

Arbeloa was solid because the team was solid. The team wasn't solid because of Arbeloa, for that matter Finnan was as solid.

Put Arbeloa instead of Glenn and we'd have 6 goals more against us.

No mate i can't agree , i think part of the reason we've been so frail this year is our central defenders are worried about the ball coming from the flanks in open play and set pieces . THere doesn't seem to be alot of trust there IMO.

Cut to the chase. Whose fault is it?

You know you want me to say it .

RRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAFAAAAAAAAAAA'SSSSSSSSS FFFFFFFFFAAAAAUUUUULLLLTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!

Can I remind you there is now a rafa's fault thread!!

by **Bad Bob** » Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:49 pm

Fauxy wrote:Should never be hosted in a country were people on the streets have guns

1994, hello?

by **damjan193** » Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:10 am

I'll have to go with Arbeloa.As much as I hate him, I'd rather go with a real RFB who worths 2 mil than with a RWB or rather a RM for who only a fool would waste 18 mil.Though I think that we paid only 10 mil, becouse Portsmouth still owned us money for Crouch.

by **aCe'** » Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:32 am

damjan193 wrote:I'll have to go with Arbeloa.As much as I hate him, I'd rather go with a real RFB who worths 2 mil than with a RWB or rather a RM for who only a fool would waste 18 mil.Though I think that we paid only 10 mil, becouse Portsmouth still owned us money for Crouch.

you're just confused son...
PICK A CAMP FFS

by **damjan193** » Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:45 am

aCe' wrote:
damjan193 wrote:I'll have to go with Arbeloa.As much as I hate him, I'd rather go with a real RFB who worths 2 mil than with a RWB or rather a RM for who only a fool would waste 18 mil.Though I think that we paid only 10 mil, becouse Portsmouth still owned us money for Crouch.

you're just confused son...
PICK A CAMP FFS

Confused bout what?And what's "Pick a camp"?Sorry I aint british, I dont understand most of your jokes, if it was a joke

.

by **Doc Lashed** » Sat Jan 09, 2010 3:01 am

I can't really see this being a contest!!

I remember watching Glen for England last year and thinking that I would love him in the team. To be honest, I think he's been great since he joined.

He's very skillful at going forward. Probably the most skillful I have ever seen. And I've been watching the Reds since Phil Neal was number two.

OK, I'm not sure that we got a bargain at £18 million pound but he still gets my vote ahead of Arbeloa.

Remember the Carragher spat last year? If Arbeloa was normally consistent and had just made an unusal error, would Carra have been so angry??

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