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by **Effes** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:20 pm

s@int wrote:
Effes wrote:
heimdall wrote:If that is true then how the feck can people be voting for doing an extremely good job when we have lost 3 out of 8 games???

Add to that the fact that the games we have won have been against very weak opposition:

Away - Bolton, West Ham (have had their worst start to a season in over 40 years).

Home - Stoke, Burnley, Hull.

So we are well and truely fkd then mate ?

Depends what "conclusions" anyone wants to draw from the results so far s@int.

Let's hope Aquilani makes a difference - otherwise we will not qualify for the Champions League.

And that will open a seriously ugly can of worms mate.

by **Sir Roger** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:33 pm

Effes wrote:
s@int wrote:
Effes wrote:
heimdall wrote:If that is true then how the feck can people be voting for doing an extremely good job when we have lost 3 out of 8 games???

Add to that the fact that the games we have won have been against very weak opposition:

Away - Bolton, West Ham (have had their worst start to a season in over 40 years).

Home - Stoke, Burnley, Hull.

So we are well and truely fkd then mate ?

Depends what "conclusions" anyone wants to draw from the results so far s@int.

Let's hope Aquilani makes a difference - otherwise we will not qualify for the Champions League.

And that will open a seriously ugly can of worms mate.

Are you saying there are attractive cans of worms out there?

by **bigmick** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:45 pm

Sir Roger wrote:
Effes wrote:
s@int wrote:
Effes wrote:
heimdall wrote:If that is true then how the feck can people be voting for doing an extremely good job when we have lost 3 out of 8 games???

Add to that the fact that the games we have won have been against very weak opposition:

Away - Bolton, West Ham (have had their worst start to a season in over 40 years).

Home - Stoke, Burnley, Hull.

So we are well and truely fkd then mate ?

Depends what "conclusions" anyone wants to draw from the results so far s@int.

Let's hope Aquilani makes a difference - otherwise we will not qualify for the Champions League.

And that will open a seriously ugly can of worms mate.

Are you saying there are attractive cans of worms out there?

very good that mate, fair play.

Couple of things re Effes point about the Champions League. If we don't even qualify for it, IMHO Rafa should definately be out on his ear. Whether or not we can actually afford to pull the trigger in terms of compensation is another matter. Equally, I don't doubt for a second people on here's capacity to think of 17 good reasons why it's not actually Rafa's fault if that comes to pass. It'll be the players or the owners, innit?

Secondly, and more realistically I think what about if we finish third or fourth but never in range to land a blow on the leaders? Say fourth and 14 points off the top? I guess then there'll be 24 reasons why it ain't down to Rafa, and it'll be the players, the owners, the media, the refs, the fixture list, luck, and Man City, innit.

by **Effes** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:47 pm

Sir Roger wrote:
Effes wrote:
s@int wrote:
Effes wrote:
heimdall wrote:If that is true then how the feck can people be voting for doing an extremely good job when we have lost 3 out of 8 games???

Add to that the fact that the games we have won have been against very weak opposition:

Away - Bolton, West Ham (have had their worst start to a season in over 40 years).

Home - Stoke, Burnley, Hull.

So we are well and truely fkd then mate ?

Depends what "conclusions" anyone wants to draw from the results so far s@int.

Let's hope Aquilani makes a difference - otherwise we will not qualify for the Champions League.

And that will open a seriously ugly can of worms mate.

Are you saying there are attractive cans of worms out there?

There's cans of worms, and there's ugly cans of worms :;):

by **GYBS** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:47 pm

And what happens when we win the title or come within one point and only loose it on the final day of the season - will that all be down to the players and nothing to do with rafa and we did that well in spite of rafa

by **Effes** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:48 pm

bigmick wrote:
Sir Roger wrote:
Effes wrote:
s@int wrote:
Effes wrote:
heimdall wrote:If that is true then how the feck can people be voting for doing an extremely good job when we have lost 3 out of 8 games???

Add to that the fact that the games we have won have been against very weak opposition:

Away - Bolton, West Ham (have had their worst start to a season in over 40 years).

Home - Stoke, Burnley, Hull.

So we are well and truely fkd then mate ?

Depends what "conclusions" anyone wants to draw from the results so far s@int.

Let's hope Aquilani makes a difference - otherwise we will not qualify for the Champions League.

And that will open a seriously ugly can of worms mate.

Are you saying there are attractive cans of worms out there?

very good that mate, fair play.

Couple of things re Effes point about the Champions League. If we don't even qualify for it, IMHO Rafa should definately be out on his ear. Whether or not we can actually afford to pull the trigger in terms of compensation is another matter. Equally, I don't doubt for a second people on here's capacity to think of 17 good reasons why it's not actually Rafa's fault if that comes to pass. It'll be the players or the owners, innit?

Secondly, and more realistically I think what about if we finish third or fourth but never in range to land a blow on the leaders? Say fourth and 14 points off the top? I guess then there'll be 24 reasons why it ain't down to Rafa, and it'll be the players, the owners, the media, the refs, the fixture list, luck, and Man City, innit.

If we dont qualify Mick - Rafa will have to go in my eyes.

by **Sir Roger** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:12 pm

bigmick wrote:
Sir Roger wrote:
Effes wrote:
s@int wrote:
Effes wrote:
heimdall wrote:If that is true then how the feck can people be voting for doing an extremely good job when we have lost 3 out of 8 games???

Add to that the fact that the games we have won have been against very weak opposition:

Away - Bolton, West Ham (have had their worst start to a season in over 40 years).

Home - Stoke, Burnley, Hull.

So we are well and truely fkd then mate ?

Depends what "conclusions" anyone wants to draw from the results so far s@int.

Let's hope Aquilani makes a difference - otherwise we will not qualify for the Champions League.

And that will open a seriously ugly can of worms mate.

Are you saying there are attractive cans of worms out there?

very good that mate, fair play.

Couple of things re Effes point about the Champions League. If we don't even qualify for it, IMHO Rafa should definately be out on his ear. Whether or not we can actually afford to pull the trigger in terms of compensation is another matter. Equally, I don't doubt for a second people on here's capacity to think of 17 good reasons why it's not actually Rafa's fault if that comes to pass. It'll be the players or the owners, innit?

Secondly, and more realistically I think what about if we finish third or fourth but never in range to land a blow on the leaders? Say fourth and 14 points off the top? I guess then there'll be 24 reasons why it ain't down to Rafa, and it'll be the players, the owners, the media, the refs, the fixture list, luck, and Man City, innit.

Im going to do a bit of a GYBS here and be positive and say we will definitely qualify for the CL.
Hey that didnt feel too bad. I could get used to this...
Rafas brilliant, he never makes mistakes and all our players are fab, even Voronin
No, cant do it. Back to normality:
I believe Chelsea will win the PL with us second and the skanks or the ars'e third and fourth.

by **devaney** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:28 pm

One thing I do have faith in is Rafa's/Liverpool's ability never to take advantage of United's slip ups like dropping points at home to Sunderland!

by **Octsky** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 3:26 am

I feel that GH lost his job because that the team massively underachieve and the team massively underachieve bcoz GH placed too much faith in Heskey. This is the same situation with Rafa placing too much faith in Lucas.

Heskey and Lucas are the same breed, players who arent match winners, hack, even a average midfielder like Fletcher can help Macs scored important goals and tackle sometimes.
We need to play our best 11 now and Lucas aint it.

I was disappointed to lose at Stan.bridge as Chelc aint the force they once were, Lamps, Cavalho, Essien, Ballack, Terry, Deco even Drogina are old legs.

Our formation hypothetically without Aquaman clearly isnt working against better teams. I wont dare to dream if Aquaman cant deliver.

I hope Rafa can really wake up, for his sake and his family. We had invested too much time and funds on Rafa for us to start it all over again and wait for 4-5 seasons of "rebuilding".

by **devaney** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:23 am

Octsky wrote:I feel that GH lost his job because that the team massively underachieve and the team massively underachieve bcoz GH placed too much faith in Heskey. This is the same situation with Rafa placing too much faith in Lucas.

Heskey and Lucas are the same breed, players who arent match winners, hack, even a average midfielder like Fletcher can help Macs scored important goals and tackle sometimes.
We need to play our best 11 now and Lucas aint it.

I was disappointed to lose at Stan.bridge as Chelc aint the force they once were, Lamps, Cavalho, Essien, Ballack, Terry, Deco even Drogina are old legs.

Our formation hypothetically without Aquaman clearly isnt working against better teams. I wont dare to dream if Aquaman cant deliver.

I hope Rafa can really wake up, for his sake and his family. We had invested too much time and funds on Rafa for us to start it all over again and wait for 4-5 seasons of "rebuilding".

And the options are?

Heskey's play was massively responsible for a huge number of Owen's goals. He has also been selected by 7 different England managers so please don't use him as the excuse for GH's team deficiencies. There are plenty of others to choose from that really were cr.ap!

by **devaney** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:35 am

I agree that Benitez will have been given more than a fair crack of the whip if he wins nothing again for the fourth year running. That must be some kind of a club record over the last 30 to 40 years! Owzat I need your help!

At the moment I am trying to keep the faith but that will disappear into the abyss if we win nothing this season and I for one won't be blaming the owners!

The problem is that Rafa will be one year into a £4.5m a year 5 year contract. If we sack him the payoff would be silly money that we haven't got. Let's face it Benitez and his agent knew exactly what they were doing when they negotiated a new contract at a time when Liverpool were doing very well in the PL and the CL. COMING SECOND IS JUST BEING FIRST OF THE LOSERS! It counts for nothing IMHO. Just what had Rafa done to deserve such a fantastic contract?

by **Judge** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:54 am

yeah, lucas aint up to it.

i was also thinking kuyt wouldnt be up to it, but tbf he works his socks off. But Lucas will NOT be the same.

loan him out now or sell him in january

insua is also inept

by **Ciggy** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 8:53 am

Judge wrote:insua is also inept

Why is he? He is a very promising left back and has added an extra dimention to our attack, inexperienced yes, inept no.

by **parchpea** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:31 am

Rafa has worked through some difficult times at the club and I give him credit for that but hand on heart you get the feeling he will fall short in taking us to a premier league title. Thing is he is the type of guy that sets out a plan an sticks with it through thick and thin and sometimes you just need to be more flexible with formations and tactics. Aside from that he is naturally cautious and this comes out not only in gameplan but recruitment of players where he edges on the side of steady reliable lads rather than more flamboyant footballers. The way its going we could well be out of contention before Christmas so unless we pick up bigtime then my conclusion is that is not good enough and we should start looking for a replacement for Benitez who has had more than enough time and chances now.

by **Judge** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:40 am

Ciggy wrote:
Judge wrote:insua is also inept

Why is he? He is a very promising left back and has added an extra dimention to our attack, inexperienced yes, inept no.

his inexperience is probably not his fault. he was out of his depth at chelsea, and tbf should not have played. inept thru inexperience.

we wont win the league with inexperience ciggy. insua should play the likes of hull, stoke, burnley, but not in matches like chelsea, arsenal and man utd !!

insua was woeful against fiorentina

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