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by **Owzat** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:12 pm

JoeTerp wrote:6 million

I thought it was £5m with add-ons or something like that. Better watch out though, some muppet might pick up on what the point of comparing prices is.............. :laugh:

by **Nando26** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:53 pm

bigmick wrote:
stmichael wrote:Had Lucas put in the performance that Spearing did for long spells last night (especially in the first half) he'd have been getting absolute pelters.

He would and rightly so. It's one thing for a kid to come in and make only his third or fourth appearance and have a poor game, but it's quite another for a fella who we paid 8 million quid for and has been in the first team squad for three seasons to do the same. Lucas would have got slaughtered if he'd played like that, and no wonder.

Leaving that aside because I'm not really sure what the original point was, I don't think Spearing will ever be good enough for Liverpool on a permanent basis. Funnily enough I think the same about Lucas as well, perhaps that's where the comparison comes in.

you mention hes a kid but so is lucas, hes 22 and has been getting unbeleivable stick now ever since he signed (20)

its a case of spearings a scouser and lucas is brazilian some people are just afraid to admit that

i like spearing but hes nowhere near as good as lucas anyone who denies that is either an idiot or bias, simple as that

by **Nando26** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:55 pm

Owzat wrote:
JoeTerp wrote:6 million

I thought it was £5m with add-ons or something like that. Better watch out though, some muppet might pick up on what the point of comparing prices is..............

actually it was 4 possibly rising to 8 with appearances and such

by **Ben Patrick** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:57 pm

Nando26 wrote:
bigmick wrote:
stmichael wrote:Had Lucas put in the performance that Spearing did for long spells last night (especially in the first half) he'd have been getting absolute pelters.

He would and rightly so. It's one thing for a kid to come in and make only his third or fourth appearance and have a poor game, but it's quite another for a fella who we paid 8 million quid for and has been in the first team squad for three seasons to do the same. Lucas would have got slaughtered if he'd played like that, and no wonder.

Leaving that aside because I'm not really sure what the original point was, I don't think Spearing will ever be good enough for Liverpool on a permanent basis. Funnily enough I think the same about Lucas as well, perhaps that's where the comparison comes in.

you mention hes a kid but so is lucas, hes 22 and has been getting unbeleivable stick now ever since he signed (20)

its a case of spearings a scouser and lucas is brazilian some people are just afraid to admit that

i like spearing but hes nowhere near as good as lucas anyone who denies that is either an idiot or bias, simple as that

Correction Spearing is not a scouser.

He is from Wallasey. :rasp

by **RedBlood** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:59 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:
Nando26 wrote:
bigmick wrote:
stmichael wrote:Had Lucas put in the performance that Spearing did for long spells last night (especially in the first half) he'd have been getting absolute pelters.

He would and rightly so. It's one thing for a kid to come in and make only his third or fourth appearance and have a poor game, but it's quite another for a fella who we paid 8 million quid for and has been in the first team squad for three seasons to do the same. Lucas would have got slaughtered if he'd played like that, and no wonder.

Leaving that aside because I'm not really sure what the original point was, I don't think Spearing will ever be good enough for Liverpool on a permanent basis. Funnily enough I think the same about Lucas as well, perhaps that's where the comparison comes in.

you mention hes a kid but so is lucas, hes 22 and has been getting unbeleivable stick now ever since he signed (20)

its a case of spearings a scouser and lucas is brazilian some people are just afraid to admit that

i like spearing but hes nowhere near as good as lucas anyone who denies that is either an idiot or bias, simple as that

Correction Spearing is not a scouser.

He is from Wallasey.

quiet man do you want all the anti-non scouscer brigade jumping on his back aswell

by **Nando26** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:04 pm

Owzat wrote:
heimdall wrote:I found it interesting, seems a few other people did as well, what's your problem?

I could answer that but I guess it is against forum rules to be honest

The passing is something we miss, the standard of pointless agressive posting from members like Nando is something the forum wouldn't miss.

yeh im sure wed all shed a tear if you logged out for the last time

oh no what will we do whos gonna give us all those negative stats that always prove how the team/defense/attackers etc are worse then last season

booooorrrriiinnnnngg zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

by **RedBlood** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:06 pm

lucas is miles ahead of spearing and i agree if lucas was a scouscer and spearing was brazilian theres not a chnace in hell anyone would be calling for spearing to play

by **Ben Patrick** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:10 pm

I just want to say that i think Lucas has played well this season, well enough to justify his selection anyway.
But last season there were times that he was terrible and Spearing deserved a chance, thats not because he is a local lad, its because Lucas's confidence was shot and he was p!ss poor.
Spearing isnt top drawer but he is steady enough and imo if he were given time in the odd game here and there he wouldnt let anyone down.

I know most dont rate him but i like him, and thats not because he is from Wallasey, its because i think he is a decent little player.

by **RedBlood** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:38 pm

i do rate spearing mate and he is a steady player but so is darby, you need more then that at this level

lucas has been one of our best players this season and take away aston villa hasnt had a bad game it just annoys me how quick some people are to critisize him on here and anywhere else in general its like they refuse to see his talent

pretty much the same people who use to give it to kuyt on a daily basis, where are they now?

by **Nando26** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:47 pm

On here slagging Lucas off

by **bunglemark2** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:54 pm

Seems to me like Nando is trying to rub a lot of people up the wrong way on here.....give it a rest mate, and let's all be happy campers, eh ?

by **RedBlood** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:57 pm

how is he trying to rub people up the wrong way?

by **Toffeehater** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:37 pm

2 more and he's off

by **Owzat** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:35 pm

Nando26 wrote:
Owzat wrote:
heimdall wrote:I found it interesting, seems a few other people did as well, what's your problem?

I could answer that but I guess it is against forum rules to be honest

The passing is something we miss, the standard of pointless agressive posting from members like Nando is something the forum wouldn't miss.

yeh im sure wed all shed a tear if you logged out for the last time

oh no what will we do whos gonna give us all those negative stats that always prove how the team/defense/attackers etc are worse then last season

booooorrrriiinnnnngg zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I hope the door didn't hit you on the way out :laugh:

by **Kerry07** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:43 am

[quote="Owzat"][/quote]
His selection will be the prime reason Rafa is sacked.

Because Lucas is devoid of any talent, and there aint a single thing he is good at, he has single handedly destroyed the progress of the team on the field. Unfortunately hes in the most crucial position in the team, the link man between defence and attack who is there to keep possession, control the tempo and flow of the game..the brains of the team (what Alonso was). As the SOLITARY change in the team from last season, some aspects to the damage Lucas inflicts...

1.2008/09 season - With Alonso (2 league defeats all season).
...2009/10 season - With Lucas (6 defeats from 6 hardest games...and its only 21st October), we still have ManU Home & Away, Arsenal Home & Away, Man City Home & Away, Chelsea Home, Spurs Home, Villa Away...the Mersey Derbies, and countless other very difficult games. Also bear in mind, we've already played Burnley, Stoke, Hull at home.. only Wolves left is a gimme. It will get ALOT worse.

2.Lucas effect on the defence - while Alonso would sit infront of Carra and Agger and drop deep to receive the ball of them, giving them constant assurance, Lucas doesnt have the ability to do this as he HIDES, he passes and then will walk beside an opponent to avoid getting the pass back, avoids any responsibility as hes aware of his limitations. Because theres now no one infront of the defence to take the ball and orchestrate play, Carra and co now have to HOOF it... which of course gives it straight back to the opposition hence they are under FAR more pressure this season than the last FIVE (pre Alonso) as it invites attacks. Defence suffers.

2.Lucas effect on the attack - while Alonso would get the ball and then launch a 30-40 yard pass to a wide man or Gerrard/Torres on a regular basis, Lucas has no passing range hence the attackers are isolated as he starves them of ball (its the reason Gerrard now finds himself HAVING to come back deep to recieve the ball, and this removes him where hes at his most dangerous 30 yards from goal, less of a threat, and him moving back also further isolates Torres). Attack suffers.

Lucas, as a slow, static, 2 yard side pass merchant, who cant score, cant create, cant tackle (powder puff), no vision, no passing range, no talent... he is destroying the entire team like a virus, in that crucial midfield pivot position. The team is rudderless with him there, we have no method as we saw yet again tonight in our 6th defeat of the season, 4th defeat on the trot.. one more and its our worst run since 1953. We are not just losing (that can happen to quality teams), we are losing and having no control in games (which is deadly as theres no way you can change that with the current personel), its a team without a conductor (Alonso), and instead has a brazilian carthorse who expected to be sold in the Summer, this player and the damage he inflicts on the team, will untimately cost Rafa his job.

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