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by **akumaface** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:07 am

I think Rafa had already done what he can in terms of scrapping money for players but if the owners don't sign the cheque. Nothings going happen. Seeing what Spurs is doing, i thought we should be doing the same thing and be more creative....Rafa's hands are tied...So frustrated as we basically have no new players other than the one for one replacement....

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:06 pm

heimdall wrote:Mascha DM, Stevie CM and Benni AM.

Yeah I like this option. It allows us to continue with Kuyt and Riera on the wings and still accommodate Benayoun.

by **heimdall** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:10 pm

SouthCoastShankly wrote:
heimdall wrote:Mascha DM, Stevie CM and Benni AM.

Yeah I like this option. It allows us to continue with Kuyt and Riera on the wings and still accommodate Benayoun.

someone agreeing with me, I'm not used to this.

by **GRAHAM01** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:20 pm

heimdall wrote:
SouthCoastShankly wrote:
heimdall wrote:Mascha DM, Stevie CM and Benni AM.

Yeah I like this option. It allows us to continue with Kuyt and Riera on the wings and still accommodate Benayoun.

someone agreeing with me, I'm not used to this.

care heimdall it could be a trap

by **GYBS** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:21 pm

Stick with what are doing but do the same as against bolton and have lucas and gerrard swapping around more often - it worked against Bolton

by **bigmick** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:31 pm

GYBS wrote:Stick with what are doing but do the same as against bolton and have lucas and gerrard swapping around more often - it worked against Bolton

So is that option 1, or "others"

by **GYBS** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:32 pm

Went for option 1

by **bigmick** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:35 pm

Ah right, kind of number one with the amendment that Lucas doesn't actually play in central midfield but plays off Torres, because that's the bit about the arrangement which worked against Bolton. Once Gerrard came back into central midfield it was a completely different game I agree with you.

by **redbeergoggles** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:26 pm

Until its a dead certainty that Pacheco will eventually partner Torres up front ,I think Gerrard should swap roles with Lucas, allowing Lucas to play with more freedom and less constraints ,this would in turn allow Gerrard to orchestrate the midfield until the much heralded debut of Aquillani arrives .

In Pacheco's case, I feel he is the only player albeit Gerrard, that is capable of eventually playing the role of supporting Torres ,and in regards to Lucas I feel playing him higher up field ,we may see slightly more inventive play than he crafts from his current position ,you never know we might see the type of displays that warranted Benitez to purchase him (ie as an attacking Midfielder )

Oh well there is always edit when you simply reiterate what another poster has said

by **aCe'** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:45 pm

Are you guys trying to say that Lucas is an attacking midfielder, and that he'd do a better job than Benayoun or Kuyt would as a second striker ?

Why does he absolutely have to be in the lineup despite proving yet and again that he offers absolutely nothing to the side

by **aCe'** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:48 pm

bigmick wrote:Ah right, kind of number one with the amendment that Lucas doesn't actually play in central midfield but plays off Torres, because that's the bit about the arrangement which worked against Bolton. Once Gerrard came back into central midfield it was a completely different game I agree with you.

We only looked good down the middle against Bolton when Davis got sent off and Gerrard got the freedom to roam around unmarked... Dont think Lucas had much to do in the Bolton game besides play the usual 5yard deep in the middle passes as the stats in the Lucas thread show... Definitely didnt prove anything positive in that game as far as im concerned...

by **redbeergoggles** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:04 pm

I think Benayoun is best utilised as an impact sub when defences are tiring ,and Kuyt seems to have evolved effortlessly into a more than competent winger ,as for Lucas I have advocated playing him in a more forward and indeed inventive role to bring out the artistry that was more than apparent in certain games last season ,ie Newcastle away the pass for Gerrard was sublime for want of a better word ,I think what's most frustrating about Lucas is we all know what his capabilities are ,but he will never be a combative midfielder in the mould of Mascherano ,and thats why until we have the option of introducing Aquillani ,then we can do no worse than giving a player who Rafa eulogized upon signing ,an opportunity further upfield ,to deter the habitual smothering of Torres by opposition defences .

by **Scottbot** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:44 am

redbeergoggles wrote:as for Lucas I have advocated playing him in a more forward and indeed inventive role to bring out the artistry that was more than apparent in certain games last season ,ie Newcastle away the pass for Gerrard was sublime for want of a better word ,I think what's most frustrating about Lucas is we all know what his capabilities are ,but he will never be a combative midfielder in the mould of Mascherano ,and thats why until we have the option of introducing Aquillani ,then we can do no worse than giving a player who Rafa eulogized upon signing ,an opportunity further upfield ,to deter the habitual smothering of Torres by opposition defences .

I don't think he has it in his locker to be an effective player further up the pitch mate. He's a tidy player, who can tackle a bit, has a decent shot and can pull a pass or two out of the bag on the odd occasion but (for me) that is about it. He lacks the guille to play in the hole, and neither does he possess the power, pace or physical presence to make up for it.

by **redbeergoggles** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:22 am

Scottbot wrote:
redbeergoggles wrote:as for Lucas I have advocated playing him in a more forward and indeed inventive role to bring out the artistry that was more than apparent in certain games last season ,ie Newcastle away the pass for Gerrard was sublime for want of a better word ,I think what's most frustrating about Lucas is we all know what his capabilities are ,but he will never be a combative midfielder in the mould of Mascherano ,and thats why until we have the option of introducing Aquillani ,then we can do no worse than giving a player who Rafa eulogized upon signing ,an opportunity further upfield ,to deter the habitual smothering of Torres by opposition defences .

I don't think he has it in his locker to be an effective player further up the pitch mate. He's a tidy player, who can tackle a bit, has a decent shot and can pull a pass or two out of the bag on the odd occasion but (for me) that is about it. He lacks the guille to play in the hole, and neither does he possess the power, pace or physical presence to make up for it.

Listen Rafa is not going to let this one go, until he finds a position were he fits ,and this is just another option open to us at the moment ,as you have stated though Lucas can deliver some clinical passes on occasion ,and as I have said earlier Lucas is not a great defensive midfielder .

by **bigmick** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:30 am

redbeergoggles wrote:Listen Rafa is not going to let this one go, until he finds a position were he fits

That's my worry too. Are we going to see another Kuyt situation, where the World and his brother can see it's not working but we pick him ad infinitum for a season in a position which he is wholly unsuited to.

Lucas may or may not be a holding/defensive midfielder, he may even be able to play off a striker, but he certainly isn't a primary ball distributer from the centre of midfield. That much is glaringly obvious, and the sooner we put him/us out of our misery the better.

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