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by **metalhead** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:33 pm

7_Kewell wrote:it is obviously too early to comment about the guy, but he's our 4th choice centre back and, for the money, should do the job.

He won't get a look in once Agger and Skyrtel are fit.

I wouldn't want skrtel back into the squad, not a good defender.

by **bigmick** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:51 pm

Nando26 wrote:
bigmick wrote:
Nando26 wrote:
bigmick wrote:Skrtel having his tendency to ball watch.

Please tell me this isnt a dig at the collison with carra which was clearly his fault not skrtels

Not for the first time you're commenting on one of my posts and getting yourself all in a muddle. The answer to your question is no it isn't a dig at the collision between him and Carragher. Do you know what I mean by "ball watching", it's just that yours is a very strange question indeed

I'd have a wee look in the Skyrtel thread, there's bound to be an explanation of my view in there. Once you understand what I'm actually on about then you can comment from there.

By ball watching do you mean when you watch the 100 sprint on slow-mo monkeyman?

& ill comment on whatever i want lad

Quite good that mate. Course you can comment "where you want" "lad", I was just a bit lost by your reference to a collision when I was talking about "ball watching".

One isn't connected to the other (as presumeably you know

) so I was at a loss to know what to say really. I figured the best way to go was to answer the question honestly (ie, no I'm not talking about the clash of heads) and point you in the direction of somewhere where it explained what I was on about. Seemed like the best way to go under the circumstances.

by **JoeTerp** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 11:33 pm

Mick, would you say that our most "balanced" pairing when everybody is fit is now El Greco & Agger?

by **bigmick** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 11:53 pm

Possibly Joe, but "balanced" doesn't necessarily mean best. Despite some peoples misgivings about him, and to be honest there does appear to be signs his powers are on the wane slightly, I would definately have Carragher as my first name on the sheet out of our centre halves. For me, he is our best actual defender by a mile, but his perfect partner as of now would be someone good in the air, with a bit of pace, commanding, who can play a bit.

Mathew Upson anyone

by **JoeTerp** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:01 am

bigmick wrote:but his perfect partner as of now would be someone good in the air, with a bit of pace, commanding, who can play a bit.

isn't that pretty much everybody's perfect partner?

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:08 am

I think anyone writing Carra off now is being a little silly. I think Carra's main problem might be fitness, in that the preseason training takes a little bit too much out of him. Every year for the past few years, he seems to start off without that sharpness and awareness that we have come to expect. I just wonder whether because he is a whole hearted player he leaves a little too much on the training ground and it takes him a few games to get it back.

It has also not helped him that we haven't had a settled back four for a while now. I do agree that he would be best suited to a partner who is strong in the air and who can play a bit of football, as these are the areas where Carra is perhaps not quite top class. I do think there is life in the old dog yet and I expect to see his performances improve as the season wears on.

by **bigmick** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:08 am

JoeTerp wrote:
bigmick wrote:but his perfect partner as of now would be someone good in the air, with a bit of pace, commanding, who can play a bit.

isn't that pretty much everybody's perfect partner?

Well there is that I suppose :laugh:

. What I meant though, was that Carra's game these days is one built on doggedness and stickability, on marshalling those around him and using his experience to be in the right spot. He probably needs less the "commanding" aspect than he does someone who can play a bit, as his distribution hasn't got any better. Equally, though he's not the fastest you don't often see him get embarrassed for pace (except by Thierry Henri maybe) so the pace element would be slightly less important than the aerial ability.

I was just bending it a bit to give Upson a mention to tell the truth Joe, as I think that by a distance he would have been our best option. Unfortunately for us and indeed for the manager, the reports are that he agreed but that the owners blocked the transfer.

by **Owzat** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:11 am

Which of the musical statues was he when Bolton scored.........................? Criticise Carra all you like, he was the only man on the spot trying to stop them scoring. If I were Rafa, I'd get a still of that framed and hand them out to shame all those who stood watching with a blown up still on the wall of the dressing room.

by **Nando26** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 1:33 pm

bigmick wrote:
Nando26 wrote:
bigmick wrote:
Nando26 wrote:
bigmick wrote:Skrtel having his tendency to ball watch.

Please tell me this isnt a dig at the collison with carra which was clearly his fault not skrtels

Not for the first time you're commenting on one of my posts and getting yourself all in a muddle. The answer to your question is no it isn't a dig at the collision between him and Carragher. Do you know what I mean by "ball watching", it's just that yours is a very strange question indeed

I'd have a wee look in the Skyrtel thread, there's bound to be an explanation of my view in there. Once you understand what I'm actually on about then you can comment from there.

By ball watching do you mean when you watch the 100 sprint on slow-mo monkeyman?

& ill comment on whatever i want lad

Quite good that mate. Course you can comment "where you want" "lad", I was just a bit lost by your reference to a collision when I was talking about "ball watching".

One isn't connected to the other (as presumeably you know ) so I was at a loss to know what to say really. I figured the best way to go was to answer the question honestly (ie, no I'm not talking about the clash of heads) and point you in the direction of somewhere where it explained what I was on about. Seemed like the best way to go under the circumstances.

This is you when your lost for words

by **heimdall** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:18 pm

Nando26 wrote:
bigmick wrote:
Nando26 wrote:
bigmick wrote:
Nando26 wrote:
bigmick wrote:Skrtel having his tendency to ball watch.

Please tell me this isnt a dig at the collison with carra which was clearly his fault not skrtels

Not for the first time you're commenting on one of my posts and getting yourself all in a muddle. The answer to your question is no it isn't a dig at the collision between him and Carragher. Do you know what I mean by "ball watching", it's just that yours is a very strange question indeed

I'd have a wee look in the Skyrtel thread, there's bound to be an explanation of my view in there. Once you understand what I'm actually on about then you can comment from there.

By ball watching do you mean when you watch the 100 sprint on slow-mo monkeyman?

& ill comment on whatever i want lad

Quite good that mate. Course you can comment "where you want" "lad", I was just a bit lost by your reference to a collision when I was talking about "ball watching".

One isn't connected to the other (as presumeably you know ) so I was at a loss to know what to say really. I figured the best way to go was to answer the question honestly (ie, no I'm not talking about the clash of heads) and point you in the direction of somewhere where it explained what I was on about. Seemed like the best way to go under the circumstances.

This is you when your lost for words

Of all people to start a flame war with, you choose BM and what's with all the petty insults, do you not find that you can articulate a coherent enough argument without resorting to childish silly words?

Anyway I like the Greek, I think he will prove a useful signing for us, plus he's a scary looking dude which all CB's should be.

by **bigmick** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:14 pm

Nando26 wrote:Quite good that mate. Course you can comment "where you want" "lad", I was just a bit lost by your reference to a collision when I was talking about "ball watching".

One isn't connected to the other (as presumeably you know ) so I was at a loss to know what to say really. I figured the best way to go was to answer the question honestly (ie, no I'm not talking about the clash of heads) and point you in the direction of somewhere where it explained what I was on about. Seemed like the best way to go under the circumstances.

This is you when your lost for words

[/quote]
No

. Being "at a loss" isn't the same as being "lost for words", not in my language anyway. "At a loss" on this occasion was more that I was astounded by the question, particularly as in some of your previous posts you have demonstrated that you have a clue.

I notice that on each thread you are getting involved in you are almost without fail honing in on my "novels", which is entirely your privilage and you should go for your life. As long as the discussion is nice and cordial as well as being football based, all is good.

My guess is that we have previous under your earlier moniker, which once again is cool but I must say I prefer this avatar to the last one, although that one was quite good too in fairness.

Never lost for words though, you know me better.

by **Nando26** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:09 pm

bigmick wrote:
Nando26 wrote:Quite good that mate. Course you can comment "where you want" "lad", I was just a bit lost by your reference to a collision when I was talking about "ball watching".

One isn't connected to the other (as presumeably you know ) so I was at a loss to know what to say really. I figured the best way to go was to answer the question honestly (ie, no I'm not talking about the clash of heads) and point you in the direction of somewhere where it explained what I was on about. Seemed like the best way to go under the circumstances.

This is you when your lost for words

No

. Being "at a loss" isn't the same as being "lost for words", not in my language anyway. "At a loss" on this occasion was more that I was astounded by the question, particularly as in some of your previous posts you have demonstrated that you have a clue.

I notice that on each thread you are getting involved in you are almost without fail honing in on my "novels", which is entirely your privilage and you should go for your life. As long as the discussion is nice and cordial as well as being football based, all is good.

My guess is that we have previous under your earlier moniker, which once again is cool but I must say I prefer this avatar to the last one, although that one was quite good too in fairness.

Never lost for words though, you know me better.[/quote]
lol its funny winding you up you remind me of my old english teacher to smart for his own good

by **7_Kewell** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:20 pm

come on guys, lets keep this on topic and leave out the silly insults.

As i said, its too early to say how he'll fair as a premiership defender, but i'm sure he'll do the job as 4th choice CB.

by **Ben Patrick** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:50 pm

He was shaky to say the least imo but to be fair it was one of the toughest fixtures yiou could get. Similar to Stoke where there is a constant aeriel bombardment on the penalty area.

It was the lapses in concentration that concerned me though tbh. Reina rolls it out to our centre halves most of the time to try and start attacks from the back, but he looks dangerous with the way he can lose concentration.
Am sure the physical aspect is something that he will be fine with soon enough though.

As a fourth choice he will be ok though, lets just hope that we can get Agger fit quickly though.

by **LFC2007** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:00 am

I know he lost concentration for a couple of moments first-half, but that aside he did a fairly good job. Won the vast majority of his headers, made a few good blocks on the edge of the box and played it nice and tody when he needed to. Course, he had that lapse of concentration but weaker players would have lost the ball and failed to recover - instead he used his body strength to hold the guy off which was enough to avert a serious error.

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