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by **GYBS** » Sat Aug 29, 2009 5:10 pm

Yet for three season we used the zonal system and we were the meanest defence in the prem ??

by **puroresu** » Sat Aug 29, 2009 5:32 pm

Zonal isnt the reason we are conceding from set pieces. Man to man doesnt gurantee not losing any goals from set pieces. We just dont look organised and are not attacking the ball the way we need to.

by **Effes** » Sat Aug 29, 2009 5:34 pm

puroresu wrote:Zonal isnt the reason we are conceding from set pieces. Man to man doesnt gurantee not losing any goals from set pieces. We just dont look organised and are not attacking the ball the way we need to.

I defo agree with this.

Why we aren't though is another question.

by **Bammo** » Sat Aug 29, 2009 6:21 pm

They need a rollicking in training. Carra went nuts today because Insua (?) didn't challenge strongly for the initial ball in. Having said that, Carra himself was hardly flinging himself at it.

Too many times this season our defence has been flat footed at set-pieces. Each Liverpool player should have it in their head that the millisecond the ball enters their zone they're meeting it with their head or any other part of their anatomy!

It either needs to come from Rafa or the coaching staff because it can't continue. It's getting like the Roy Evans mid 90s team where any cross in to our box gives me a heart attack!

by **tonyeh** » Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:25 pm

GYBS wrote:Yet for three season we used the zonal system and we were the meanest defence in the prem ??

That's no calling it for it is and you damn well know it.

Time and time again we've been caught in SET PIECES.

The overall defensive record has fuck all to do with it.

by **DrPepe** » Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:29 pm

tonyeh wrote:
GYBS wrote:Yet for three season we used the zonal system and we were the meanest defence in the prem ??

That's no calling it for it is and you damn well know it.

Time and time again we've been caught in SET PIECES.

The overall defensive record has fuck all to do with it.

arsenal?

by **tonyeh** » Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:30 pm

What's that supposed to mean?

by **GYBS** » Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:36 pm

Doesnt set peices come under overall defensive record and strength then ? defensive record since zonal marking was introduced is one of the best around .

p.s. Arsenal just conceded from a set peice using drum roll ............................................ man marking

by **SupitsJonF** » Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:40 pm

GYBS wrote:Doesnt set peices come under overall defensive record and strength then ? defensive record since zonal marking was introduced is one of the best around .

p.s. Arsenal just conceded from a set peice using drum roll ............................................ man marking

You mean diaby shooting that goal right into the net? I wouldn't use an own goal as an example...

by **Bad Bob** » Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:46 pm

Look, for the millionth time--both systems have their inherent strengths and weaknesses. One is not "obviously" better than the other, though many proponents of man marking make it sound that way. Moaning about the system almost always misses the point anyway. Most set piece goals are the result of poor execution by the players working the system rather than the system itself. We conceded a goal from a corner today using zonal marking and Bolton conceded two goals from corners using man marking. All three goals, though, were down to poor execution.

by **tonyeh** » Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:46 pm

GYBS wrote:Doesnt set peices come under overall defensive record and strength then ? defensive record since zonal marking was introduced is one of the best around .

p.s. Arsenal just conceded from a set peice using drum roll ............................................ man marking

Sometimes I think you are deliberately being a fucking ejit GYBS.

The "overall defensive record" will not show up deficiencies in a single area. Therefore, using as a retort to the very obvious problems Liverpool have in defending SET PIECES is redundant.

Also, NOBODY IS SAYING THAT MAN MARKING WILL NEVER LET A GOAL IN. So that's also a redundant point.

Liverpool have a very, very serious problem in the way they are defending from corners and the like. That problem is that they are not picking up their opposite numbers as they are told to mark a zone and not a man. This leaves opposition players free to roam around the box and gives corner kickers the edge.

by **Bad Bob** » Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:48 pm

SupitsJonF wrote:
GYBS wrote:Doesnt set peices come under overall defensive record and strength then ? defensive record since zonal marking was introduced is one of the best around .

p.s. Arsenal just conceded from a set peice using drum roll ............................................ man marking

You mean diaby shooting that goal right into the net? I wouldn't use an own goal as an example...

Why not? People were happy to use Lucas's own goal as another example of the failure of zonal marking so why can't the shoe be on the other foot?

by **tonyeh** » Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:49 pm

Bad Bob wrote:Look, for the millionth time--both systems have their inherent strengths and weaknesses. One is not "obviously" better than the other, though many proponents of man marking make it sound that way. Moaning about the system almost always misses the point anyway. Most set piece goals are the result of poor execution by the players working the system rather than the system itself. We conceded a goal from a corner today using zonal marking and Bolton conceded two goals from corners using man marking. All three goals, though, were down to poor execution.

On paper Bob, the "zonal marking" system sounds fine. But in practice it has proven to be a liability.

On the pitch, it is the poor cousin to man marking, at least for Liverpool.

I'm talking specificaly about set pieces here, not general defence.

by **SupitsJonF** » Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:50 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
SupitsJonF wrote:
GYBS wrote:Doesnt set peices come under overall defensive record and strength then ? defensive record since zonal marking was introduced is one of the best around .

p.s. Arsenal just conceded from a set peice using drum roll ............................................ man marking

You mean diaby shooting that goal right into the net? I wouldn't use an own goal as an example...

Why not? People were happy to use Lucas's own goal as another example of the failure of zonal marking so why can't the shoe be on the other foot?

The ball just sort of hit lucas on the head, and it went in. Diaby looked like he wanted that goal

by **Effes** » Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:52 pm

tonyeh wrote:
GYBS wrote:Doesnt set peices come under overall defensive record and strength then ? defensive record since zonal marking was introduced is one of the best around .

p.s. Arsenal just conceded from a set peice using drum roll ............................................ man marking

Sometimes I think you are deliberately being a fucking ejit GYBS.

So, Im not the only one

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