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Lando_Griffin wrote:

bigmick wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:Keane - signed for c.£21m (of which we paid £12m), then sold him back for £11m (even the worst mathematician in the World can see that means we lost £1m on the deal, not £8m).

Well I probably am the worst mathemitician in the World I'll give you that. Tell me though, if we sign him for 21 million and we've only paid 12 of it, we still owe them 9 million quid by my reckoning. If they come back six months later and buy him back for 11, that means they only owe us 2 million quid as we already owe them nine.

So, we've paid them twelve already, they give us back two and take Keane back. So by your reckoning we lost 10 million quid on the deal  I thought we'd only lost 8.

Now, one of two things in your calculations has to be wrong for your result to be right. Either the original buying price of 21 million is incorrect (and infact we only paid 12) or they price they bought him back for is incorrect (and they actually paid 20). Because if they gave us 11 million quid in cash, and we still owed them 9 then they have effectively paid 20. Alternatively, if they gave us eleven million cash and we didn't owe them 9 then we only paid twelve.

It seems simple enough to me, but I hold my hands up to not being too clever at this stuff.

*Sighs.

The original deal was £20.3m if I remember correctly, with £12m up front. The rest were add-ons dependent on appearances, goals, silverwear, etc.

6 months later, with none of the clauses activated, Spurs bought him back for £11m. The add-ons could therefore never be fulfilled (and so we owed them nothing).

So in essence we actually bought him for £12m and Tottenham bought him back for £11m. Therefore we lost £1m.

If you need it explaining any further, enroll at the nearest Primary school for a term or two - they should be able to sort you out.

If it's merely an attempt to stir old rivalries (because I fail to see how it's a difficult concept), I suggest you grow up.

Nando26 wrote:Gutted about villa

But trying to be positive r next four games r winnable including Westham away the only other game we lost last year (i think) so if we win all of them were actually up again on last season

People will say its a daft way to look at it but its the way ive looked at it for a fair few seasons now & its panned out pretty well for me so far

YNWA

aCe' wrote:

fivecups wrote:Lando I'm pretty sure we paid £19 million up front for Keane rising to over £20 million with add-ons. It was never £12 million.

"Liverpool finally sanctioned the sale late yesterday afternoon as the 5pm cut-off ticked ever closer after a day of frantic negotiations with the Spurs chairman, Daniel Levy. Keane, who departed White Hart Lane for an initial £19m with a further £1.3m of potential add-ons, is understood to have cost Tottenham an initial £12m. That fee will rise quickly to nearer £16m with further ambitious add-ons, linked to silverware he claims at Spurs, to see up to £19m change hands again."

So my guess is that its going to be 12mill unless Tottenham win some major trophies sometime soon.. Meanwhile we paid around 20mill or so for Keane with 19mill being the initial deal with a little more spent on add ons and other fees from what i understand...

all in all its a 7-8mill loss...but anyways....

bavlondon wrote:Amen to that. How dare he make a bad signing. No top tier manager should ever be allowed to make mistakes like that. For the first time in history a manager made a signingthat didn't work out. Lynch him!

JoeTerp wrote:i read it as the 16 Million will be reached no problem but it might be tougher to get to the 19 million number

by the time the news reached america, the yanks wouldve hyped it up and added on their own valuation 

stmichael wrote:Looking back now, our pre-season was a shambles.

bigmick wrote:

stmichael wrote:Looking back now, our pre-season was a shambles.

Some people even said so at the time Mike. They got shouted down by the blanket throwers of course, just like they got told quick smart that you don't lose the league after one match. Pre season doesn't matter you see, it matters not a jot if you get a good hiding in each game you play. Neither is it necessary for your first team to play together either. No, you just bung em in on game one of the league and it all falls into place apparently.

stmichael wrote:

bigmick wrote:

stmichael wrote:Looking back now, our pre-season was a shambles.

Some people even said so at the time Mike. They got shouted down by the blanket throwers of course, just like they got told quick smart that you don't lose the league after one match. Pre season doesn't matter you see, it matters not a jot if you get a good hiding in each game you play. Neither is it necessary for your first team to play together either. No, you just bung em in on game one of the league and it all falls into place apparently.

It seems we have players who see pre-season as an extension of their summer holiday at times which is a terrible attitude to have. You could say that this is cultivated by the casual approach the manager has to pre-season. Playing Reina in midfield a couple of season agos in a pre-season friendly was a prime example of this.