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by **FuzzyBear** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:07 pm

bigmick wrote:There seems to a proliferation of new posters coming on here at the moment calling for the managers head. I can only assume they are wind up merchants, clueless or previously banned members. You don't sack managers after three games of a season when he's just spent 35 million quid on new players, one of whom hasn't played yet. We've played three matches, and while it hasn't gone well talk of sacking managers is utterly pointless at this stage.

I didn't say sack him now, I said if he fails to build on last season then come the end of the season, he needs to go. I gather reading comprehension is not your forte, Mick?

Face it, 3 games in, 2 loses, 6 points off the pace already and we haven't replaced Alonso and lack strength in depth. You'd have to be suffering from immeasurable blind faith to believe we have what it takes to win the league on current performances/results.

by **dawson99** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:08 pm

blaming the yanks is a cheap poor move by our part. the team on the park last night should have won... the yanks didnt play the 90 minutes, our players did, and they failed

by **REDTILLDEAD** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:08 pm

bigmick wrote:There seems to a proliferation of new posters coming on here at the moment calling for the managers head. I can only assume they are wind up merchants, clueless or previously banned members. You don't sack managers after three games of a season when he's just spent 35 million quid on new players, one of whom hasn't played yet. We've played three matches, and while it hasn't gone well talk of sacking managers is utterly pointless at this stage.

Switch on will you!....and get real! these people are not 'wind up merchants' as you claim...but realists! who are not blinded by 'Rafa-itis'...LFC fans who have opened their eyes and are not in self denial...unlike some on here? Rafa will never bring the title to Anfield, the only crumb of comfort this season would be the manc scum not overtaking our 19 league title record....its a sad thing when all we have to look forward to is stopping them from achieving that goal......by hoping someone else wins it.......coz' we sure wont!. :no

by **dawson99** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:09 pm

relaists? or...

by **bunglemark2** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:11 pm

dawson99 wrote:blaming the yanks is a cheap poor move by our part. the team on the park last night should have won... the yanks didnt play the 90 minutes, our players did, and they failed

Hear! Hear!
The boys on the pitch were poison, bar Johnson.
Nothing to do with the owners for the 90 mins the team underperformed.

by **stmichael** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:12 pm

REDTILLDEAD wrote:
bigmick wrote:There seems to a proliferation of new posters coming on here at the moment calling for the managers head. I can only assume they are wind up merchants, clueless or previously banned members. You don't sack managers after three games of a season when he's just spent 35 million quid on new players, one of whom hasn't played yet. We've played three matches, and while it hasn't gone well talk of sacking managers is utterly pointless at this stage.

Switch on will you!....and get real! these people are not 'wind up merchants' as you claim...but realists! who are not blinded by 'Rafa-itis'...LFC fans who have opened their eyes and are not in self denial...unlike some on here? Rafa will never bring the title to Anfield, the only crumb of comfort this season would be the manc scum not overtaking our 19 league title record....its a sad thing when all we have to look forward to is stopping them from achieving that goal......by hoping someone else wins it.......coz' we sure wont!.

who would you replace him with then?

by **REDTILLDEAD** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:13 pm

dawson99 wrote:relaists? or...

Mmm...me thinks you might be one of these??

by **andy_g** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:13 pm

JohnBull wrote:I would rather the Yanks had never come here but looking at Raffa's record in the transfer market, I'd be reluctant to send him to the chippy with my money.
A senior player recently said, in my hearing, that Raffa was "a good manager but a kn*bhead" I took it that he was talking about his stubbordness.

i guess that would be either carra or gerrard then as can't see any of the foreign lads coming out with the term kn*bhead. if its true its worrying, in fact talk of a lost dressing room is more worrying than any other cause for bad form. there's rarely a advantageous outcome from such a situation.

by **Rockthekop** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:17 pm

heimdall wrote:
Rockthekop wrote:Fair play to Man City, they've hit the jackpot and we've got ourselves in the poop letting two Americans ruin our club. How on earth did we get ourselves into this mess?

It's going to get worse before it gets better. Something has to give and it will soon.

Just a quick question here and by no means meant to agitate, although it will doubtless be interpreted as such.

How exactly is this the owners fault? Is it the fact that in the middle of a financial crises they weren't able to give the manager a transfer pot. I'm glad that they didn't do this because if they had then it would have meant even more debt on the club.

It is sad that we can't just buy ourselves the league but I actually prefer winning by building the best team.

I'm not saying the owners are to blame exclusively, of course not. Rafa has to take responsibility for the team he has built and how they play. He has to start delivering the goods.

It's not currently good enough but early days yet, we can only improve.

by **FuzzyBear** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:17 pm

dawson99 wrote:blaming the yanks is a cheap poor move by our part. the team on the park last night should have won... the yanks didnt play the 90 minutes, our players did, and they failed

As much as I dislike Hicks and Gillett, they are pumping more money into transfers than Moores ever did.

Blaming the Americans as you say is an easy way for the Blind pro-Rafa posse to pass the buck.

Rafa is not making the most of the tools he has to work with and I feel the Americans at times have bent over backwards to appease Benitez. They sacked Parry for Rafa Benitez, they have offered him a new deal, signed several key players to long term contracts, supplied money for Rafa's #1 targets i.e. Torres and Johnson.

Rafa has the same attitude as Mourinho to the transfer market. It's all about squandering mass amounts of money on top established players instead of spending wisely like Wenger/Redknapp.

The buck for transfers or lack of them and poor performances, and results stops at Benitez.

by **FuzzyBear** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:19 pm

stmichael wrote:
REDTILLDEAD wrote:
bigmick wrote:There seems to a proliferation of new posters coming on here at the moment calling for the managers head. I can only assume they are wind up merchants, clueless or previously banned members. You don't sack managers after three games of a season when he's just spent 35 million quid on new players, one of whom hasn't played yet. We've played three matches, and while it hasn't gone well talk of sacking managers is utterly pointless at this stage.

Switch on will you!....and get real! these people are not 'wind up merchants' as you claim...but realists! who are not blinded by 'Rafa-itis'...LFC fans who have opened their eyes and are not in self denial...unlike some on here? Rafa will never bring the title to Anfield, the only crumb of comfort this season would be the manc scum not overtaking our 19 league title record....its a sad thing when all we have to look forward to is stopping them from achieving that goal......by hoping someone else wins it.......coz' we sure wont!.

who would you replace him with then?

Harry Redknapp.

by **REDTILLDEAD** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:19 pm

stmichael wrote:
REDTILLDEAD wrote:
bigmick wrote:There seems to a proliferation of new posters coming on here at the moment calling for the managers head. I can only assume they are wind up merchants, clueless or previously banned members. You don't sack managers after three games of a season when he's just spent 35 million quid on new players, one of whom hasn't played yet. We've played three matches, and while it hasn't gone well talk of sacking managers is utterly pointless at this stage.

Switch on will you!....and get real! these people are not 'wind up merchants' as you claim...but realists! who are not blinded by 'Rafa-itis'...LFC fans who have opened their eyes and are not in self denial...unlike some on here? Rafa will never bring the title to Anfield, the only crumb of comfort this season would be the manc scum not overtaking our 19 league title record....its a sad thing when all we have to look forward to is stopping them from achieving that goal......by hoping someone else wins it.......coz' we sure wont!.

who would you replace him with then?

Firstly we need to get rid of these yanks.....coz' if we sack rafa with them still at the helm then it will be difficult to attract a top manager, with a new owner in place (one that has the 'cash to splash') then i would think about tempting moureneo from inter? (mis -spelt his name) he always said he would love the chance to manage another top prem team?.....but it has to happen fast coz' the manc scum might be considering a move for him at the end of this season to replace that whiskey faced pr1ck Taggert.

by **tonyeh** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:20 pm

Surely, I can't be the only one who isn't THAT surprised by our less than stellar season start? It was obvious to me, looking at the squad (coupled with the fact that we lost Alonso), that we were going to be weaker than we were last year. We have no central midfield capable of engineering an attack. Our Right wing is still reliant on a non-winger, our left wing is in turmoil (god knows what's going on with Riera. Our attack IS STILL one striker. Our over-worked captain STILL has an incredible amount of pressure on him and our defence is still somewhat dodgy. Not to mention all the other follies that Benitez has foistered upon the team, such as ineffectual zonal marking in set pieces, blaise substitutions and an overly cautious approach (he seems to have forgotten March - May of this year).

As somebody has already said, it's not the owners fault (well not entirely) that this situation is here. Much of our problems now have been with us for ages.

If nothing is changed, I simply cannot see Liverpool coming anywhere close to a serious challenge for the title this year and we'll slip into 20 years as also rans.

As somebody else also said

, hopefully we can ride out what seems to be a potentially dangerous beginning and get more solid, once Aquilani (and others) are fit. Until then, the future doesn't look that bright at the moment.

Of course, I am hoping that I am wrong, but the hairs on the back of my neck are still standing.

by **Penguins** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:45 pm

Just amazing that some can critizise Rafa on his transfers and in the next breath suggest mourihno as the next manager.

he is one of the worst managers ever in the transfer market.
He wasted hundreds of millions at chelsea and has only ever managed teams that was a surefire bet to win something.

Porto, best team in portugal for years before he took over.
Chelsea, where he got hundreds of million to spend and wasted alot of money.
Inter, champions and best team in Italy the past couple of years before he took over.

And if you think any new manager will find it appealing to come to liverpool with no budget think again.

I still trust rafa alot more than Mourinho when it comes to spending big.

How often has Rafa been allowed to?

Torres, Masch, Johnson and Aquilani(rafa wanted Barry not keane, that was obvious). But blame Rafa that Voronin(free), Ngog(1,5 million) and Kyriagos(2 million) is on the bench.
Must be his fault that he has all these great options.

Mourinho has spent on a heck of alot more.

by **bigmick** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:49 pm

Penguins wrote:Just amazing that some can critizise Rafa on his transfers and in the next breath suggest mourihno as the next manager.

he is one of the worst managers ever in the transfer market.
He wasted hundreds of millions at chelsea and has only ever managed teams that was a surefire bet to win something.

Porto, best team in portugal for years before he took over.
Chelsea, where he got hundreds of million to spend and wasted alot of money.
Inter, champions and best team in Italy the past couple of years before he took over.

And if you think any new manager will find it appealing to come to liverpool with no budget think again.

I still trust rafa alot more than Mourinho when it comes to spending big.

How often has Rafa been allowed to?

Torres, Masch, Johnson and Aquilani(rafa wanted Barry not keane, that was obvious). But blame Rafa that Voronin(free), Ngog(1,5 million) and Kyriagos(2 million) is on the bench.
Must be his fault that he has all these great options.

Mourinho has spent on a heck of alot more.

You really should read the Mourinho thread in Premiership general discussion mate. Most of what you have said is covered in there, and unfortunately most of what you are saying here is b0ll0cks.

Give it a read though, it's a decent thread.

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