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by **The_Rock** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:52 am

Tim LFC wrote:Lucas should play further up the field! Just test him and see what he can do! After all he scored the goal against Atletico Madrid higher up the pitch with Gerrard CM.

Well...we should only think of that option if gerrard, benayoun, voronin and kuyt are all injured at the same time. As a support striker, you have to have some sort of goal scoring ability.

Don't think Mr average has that type of ability.

by **bigmick** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:54 am

The problem it seems to me is one of timing. Yes we need centre back cover (no really, we do) and yes we need cover for Torres (ditto) and we probably also need cover for the right back, but the season has already started. We really could have done with getting ourselves sorted out three or four weeks ago, and this is even more the case given that Aquilani isn't going to be available for a while.

I've said on the Spurs match thread that there was an over reaction to the defeat and there was. That said, it's not inconcieveable to me anyway that we could very quickly find ourselves out of any title race if we're not careful. If Skyrtel has done his jaw, then he ain't going to be playing and if Agger still isn't fit we are absolutely down to the bones. Similarly, people who are expressing concerns about Torres's form are entitled to ask who else have we got?

Whoever we need right now, we probably needed about four or five weeks ago to be perfectly honest, and although we did well getting the money we did for Alonso the time it took is impacting upon us now.

If it was me I'd forget about the lad from Hull, I'd bite the bullet and buy Mathew Upson from West Ham. He would instantly IMHO go into our first team. Also, I'm probably getting as tired saying it as people are hearing it, but I'd buy Tuncay to give us an option up top. Krankjaar would give us options accross the middle of the park until Aquilani is fit.

Those talking of selling players on are about two months late I reckon. Whatever anyone thinks of Babel and Lucas, the last thing we need to be doing as of now is selling players on. Besides which, the reason why we still have Lucas, Babel, Voronin and Dossena is because nobody else really wants them lets be honest about it.

Last season though in the Summer we wantonly spunked 40 million quid. This Summer we haven't wasted money so much, as a whole lot of time.

by **The_Rock** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:56 am

del_potro wrote:
Tim LFC wrote:We should go for Van Der Vart or someone who is quality in midfield for a great price. People say we need CB but i think were fine and Ayala didn't do a bad job against Spurs. Plus Kelly also looks good. What we also need is another attacker a back up for torres or if we can't afford either go for one. Or we can't both then we'll have to try some youth like Nemeth,Spearing,En'gog etc

Van der Vaart is one of the greates player i have ever seen.

He played in Hamburg very well.
He deals very well with the ball.

He scored often goals and often he decided matches on his own.

Its a very great player. Real Madrid is simply stupid. He could help him, but they always do strange things with their players.

Remember Robben, Sneiyder oder Hunntelar.

Ofcourse he can lead a team, too.
A man with magic moments.

Well if benitez buys a player, he has to fulfil these criteria :

1)Does he have "Benitez style" game intelligence ?

2)Does he track back well to do defending like our other great winger Kuyt ?

3)Will he give options and possibilities to benitez in terms of playing as a RW, LB....etc

In short, i don't think Van der Vaart is benitez type of player.

by **The_Rock** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:54 am

bigmick wrote:If it was me I'd forget about the lad from Hull, I'd bite the bullet and buy Mathew Upson from West Ham. He would instantly IMHO go into our first team. Also, I'm probably getting as tired saying it as people are hearing it, but I'd buy Tuncay to give us an option up top. Krankjaar would give us options accross the middle of the park until Aquilani is fit.

Upson - I think he is better than all our 3 CB at the moment. But if benitez buys him, then do u see him dropping both skertel and agger. i can't.

Tuncay - is a good shout. A very benitez player. Will bring more balance to the team.

by **JoeTerp** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:14 am

del_potro wrote:
Tim LFC wrote:We should go for Van Der Vart or someone who is quality in midfield for a great price. People say we need CB but i think were fine and Ayala didn't do a bad job against Spurs. Plus Kelly also looks good. What we also need is another attacker a back up for torres or if we can't afford either go for one. Or we can't both then we'll have to try some youth like Nemeth,Spearing,En'gog etc

Van der Vaart is one of the greates player i have ever seen.

He played in Hamburg very well.
He deals very well with the ball.

He scored often goals and often he decided matches on his own.

Its a very great player. Real Madrid is simply stupid. He could help him, but they always do strange things with their players.

Remember Robben, Sneiyder oder Hunntelar.

Ofcourse he can lead a team, too.
A man with magic moments.

how would you feel about letting us take Subotic off your hands to cover for our CB injury crisis ?

by **del_potro** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:34 am

JoeTerp wrote:
del_potro wrote:
Tim LFC wrote:We should go for Van Der Vart or someone who is quality in midfield for a great price. People say we need CB but i think were fine and Ayala didn't do a bad job against Spurs. Plus Kelly also looks good. What we also need is another attacker a back up for torres or if we can't afford either go for one. Or we can't both then we'll have to try some youth like Nemeth,Spearing,En'gog etc

Van der Vaart is one of the greates player i have ever seen.

He played in Hamburg very well.
He deals very well with the ball.

He scored often goals and often he decided matches on his own.

Its a very great player. Real Madrid is simply stupid. He could help him, but they always do strange things with their players.

Remember Robben, Sneiyder oder Hunntelar.

Ofcourse he can lead a team, too.
A man with magic moments.

how would you feel about letting us take Subotic off your hands to cover for our CB injury crisis ?

I like Subotic very much.

But i think hes too young.

There are some good matches of him, but there always some very big mistakes. He is tall an scores goals, but thats defintifly not enough for the Premier League. He has skills to become a very good player, but at this moment he cant help LFC. And after the last match ist possible that he looses his Posittion in the starting eleven. Satana played excellent against Köln and Hummels was in the winning Team of the German U21.

@The_Rock:

1: I dont know the Benitez Play intelligence, so i cant say anything.

2: He was a long time in Hamburg but i never saw him defending. Hes a player who is only behind the striker.

3. He`s only a offensive midlefield Player. There are no more options.

by **JoeTerp** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:51 am

wasn't much defending against Hamberg, what a crazy start!!! don't think many if any of the goals had too much to do with Subotic. I only know him because he was almost (debatable how close) an American international, and I knew he was really tall, young and I have seen him score some goals.

by **tubby** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:41 am

That's another thing we need more from Agger and Skrtel moving forward, to score more goals. All the sucessfull teams had at least 1 CB who contributed a few goals each season. Terry, Gallas, Vidic ect..... Sammy used to get the odd one for us but now he has gone and I don't see that from any of our centre backs. Agger has a mean shot on him but I mean from set pieces.

by **heimdall** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:30 am

bavlondon wrote:That's another thing we need more from Agger and Skrtel moving forward, to score more goals. All the sucessfull teams had at least 1 CB who contributed a few goals each season. Terry, Gallas, Vidic ect..... Sammy used to get the odd one for us but now he has gone and I don't see that from any of our centre backs. Agger has a mean shot on him but I mean from set pieces.

Yes but we also need more attack from the midfield, playing Lucas and Mascha is just silly and it completely isolates Stevie and Nando, not that that Torres looks that bothered these days. I really think something is bugging him either mentally or physically.

by **GYBS** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:39 am

Tuncay/Kranjkar and Turner

by **Redman in wales** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:52 am

I agree with big mick... For the money that's been branded about for turner, I'd go for upson - stick him along side Carra, and let agger / skrtyl fight it out (hopefully not literally) for back up. Also 3 of our back 4 would then be english.

another striker is a must as well. I really dont know who this could be though. we almost want the impossible - cheap, but good, doesn't mind starting most games on the bench as he'd be behind torres in the pecking order, but be good enough to create something and score goals if he was needed

I'm not so worried about the midfield. I dont know if Lucas is up to it, but Rafa knew what he was getting into when he bought Aquilani. If we needed another central midfieder at the start of the season, you do not buy someone who wont feature (properly) until October.

by **puroresu** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:11 am

How about Marouane Chamakh for Bordeaux. He is in his last year of his contract and we could get him I think we could get him for £7 - £8 mil. His not as good as Gourcuff but his a v good striker.

by **heimdall** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:18 am

Redman in wales wrote:I agree with big mick... For the money that's been branded about for turner, I'd go for upson - stick him along side Carra, and let agger / skrtyl fight it out (hopefully not literally) for back up. Also 3 of our back 4 would then be english.

another striker is a must as well. I really dont know who this could be though. we almost want the impossible - cheap, but good, doesn't mind starting most games on the bench as he'd be behind torres in the pecking order, but be good enough to create something and score goals if he was needed

I'm not so worried about the midfield. I dont know if Lucas is up to it, but Rafa knew what he was getting into when he bought Aquilani. If we needed another central midfieder at the start of the season, you do not buy someone who wont feature (properly) until October.

If Rafa wasn't such a stubborn git we could have had Owen as backup to Torres. Now I'm not Owen's biggest fan but he would have been a great plan B.

We literally only have one striker who is prem quality, it is a complete disgrace and if we go belly up this season it will be what hangs Rafa.

If I was rafa I'd start playing Pachecho and nemeth, what does he have to loose by trying them in a few games. I am becoming certain that if Rafa had been manager at the time then we would never have seen Fowler, Macca, Gerrard or Owen, instead there would have been half-arsed mediocre spanish imports.

by **GYBS** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:20 am

Thats a statement you cant back up what so ever - Rafa brought Fowler back so that rules that out - he wanted owen hear when he first arrived then once again wanted him back a year later and Owen went to newcastle instead - its ok Rafa bashing but lets make it believeable as opposed to unsustainable rubbish

by **RobinHood6969** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:31 am

what a rat [email]cr@p...mediocre[/email] spanish players = Torres,Reina,Riera :no

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