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by **Bammo** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:06 pm

Fowler_E7 wrote:Lucas has proven time and time again how much of a liability he is,

Just out of interest....name some of the times.

There was the penalty against Wigan and....?

by **burjennio** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:44 pm

Bammo wrote:
Fowler_E7 wrote:Lucas has proven time and time again how much of a liability he is,

Just out of interest....name some of the times.

There was the penalty against Wigan and....?

there was that time he got two yellow cards against the bitters in the cup, a fixture Liverpool players traditionally have an impeccable disiplinary record in :oops:

by **Bammo** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:49 pm

burjennio wrote:
Bammo wrote:
Fowler_E7 wrote:Lucas has proven time and time again how much of a liability he is,

Just out of interest....name some of the times.

There was the penalty against Wigan and....?

there was that time he got two yellow cards against the bitters in the cup, a fixture Liverpool players traditionally have an impeccable disiplinary record in

pmsl

by **bigmick** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:53 pm

As has been said a couple of times, Lucas's biggest problem is his passing. He not only passes the football, he passes the responsibility of making a meaningful contribution much of the time. While there is always a place for continuity, rhythm and pinged ten yard passes, a few of them have to look to have an air of incisiveness about them as well. He looks like he could be a nice distibutor of the football, looks like it but we need to see it.

Similarly, I don't know why but I've got a feeling he can carry the ball as well but we are yet to see any real evidence of it. He obviously heads it well for a little fella, that much we have seen, and he looks to have the potential for having the knack of arriving in the box at the right time which should mean he'll score a goal or two.

As it is though, his game is a montage of snippets, bits and pieces of ability here and there sewn together very loosely, and interspersed with moments of extreme naievety. If he has the right mindset, he could concieveably get himself 8 or 9 conscutive starts before Aquilani is available. if the team wins the majority of those matches, (which it really ought to) then it's not beyond the realms of possibility he could make things very awkward for the Italian.

It really is time for him to impose himself though. Pass it like you mean it, attack it like you mean it and make your mark on the match in an alternative way to the normal giving silly fouls away in dangerous positions. In short the lad needs to grow up in a football sense, it'll be interesting to see if he can do it.

by **woof woof !** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 12:07 am

bigmick wrote:It really is time for him to impose himself though. Pass it like you mean it, attack it like you mean it and make your mark on the match in an alternative way to the normal giving silly fouls away in dangerous positions. In short the lad needs to grow up in a football sense, it'll be interesting to see if he can do it.

Like I said 15 f'ucking months ago when I started this thread.

Lucas is neat , he's tidy , erm ....... I'm hard pressed to say anything else apart from he's also very lightweight , gets brushed off the ball and decked by any opposing player that puts in a serious challenge and the majority of his own tackles seem to result in a free kick for the opposition. Offers little in terms of goal threat or creativity.

All thats changed since then is that he's put on a bit of weight and had a haircut.

Worse still , with Alonso's departure and the signing of an already injured midfielder, unless Rafa drags Gerrard back into a pure CM role, Lucas and an overweight Mascherano are our first choice CM's to kick off the new season.

:sniffle

by **Bammo** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 12:10 am

I'd like to see him play what I believe is his more natural role than the way in which he has been asked (or made) to play so far in his Liverpool career. When we were first interested in signing him he was touted as a dynamic player, a box-to-box midfielder who was going to be brought in to challenge and potentially replace Gerrard once he retired. Instead we got a young player who appeared nervous and hardly set the world alight.

Now that is to be expected somewhat. We all want a player to fit straight in but it is unusual for a young player to move to a new league, one of a higher standard to which he is used to, and immediately be brilliant. Naturally it will take time for a player to integrate and although he's been here 2 years he's played less than 50 times for us and many appearances were as sub.

Now, onto his playing style. Because of our set up, we struggled to find a balance for our first choice team. We all know this so I won't go into detail but what we ended up with was a 4-2-3-1 formation which developed because it best suited our best players. Each player had a specific role to play within that formation and it suited each of them.

I believe that Lucas' problem has been that he is normally asked to play Alonso's role, that of a deep-lying playmaker spreading passes around. Although he shows hints of his passing range, as mick alluded to, he is unsurprisingly not in Alonso's league with regards to that. Alternatively he's also been asked to do the Mascherano role of destroyer. Again, not his forte.

Does that mean he isn't suited to us at all? Not necessarily. With the signing of Aquilani Rafa has hinted that he's going to have a more dynamic and attacking midfield. This could benefit Lucas most of all. In freeing him of a more withdrawn role we will hopefully see him running more with the ball, bursting into the box or shooting from distance - something he can do.

Whether he makes it here or not, none of us can say yet. It's only beneficial to us if we give him a chance playing his natural game though. If it doesn't work then we can sell him. Who knows, he could turn good after all!

by **Zidane** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 2:57 am

I honestly think it is all about confidence when it comes to Lucas, he seems like a very timid boy. Maybe now that Xabi is gone he'll feel like it is his time to shine and actually take advantage, I think he has the potential to be a very solid midfielder, nothing amazing but overall good, still it's up to him to develop.

by **roberto green** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:32 am

Zidane wrote:I honestly think it is all about confidence when it comes to Lucas, he seems like a very timid boy. Maybe now that Xabi is gone he'll feel like it is his time to shine and actually take advantage, I think he has the potential to be a very solid midfielder, nothing amazing but overall good, still it's up to him to develop.

I know did you notice that Rafa was playing him more in away games last season because the pressure of the crowd isn't as much on him, in a lot of home games the crowd get on his back and he starts panicking. His best 2 games of the season Newcastle and the Mancs were both away.He could be alright given Alonso has gone but he doesn't give us anything new as Mascha is the same type player but obviously a lot better than him.

by **Nando26** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:02 pm

scored a good goal today and had a god game, been one of ourbest playes in pre-seasonand deserves to start along masch against tottenham

also watching the game today i feel kelly is ready for the first team and he has the pace and power to compete in the prem, with skrtel agger and possibly carra now lookng doubts id definatley start kelly aainst tottenham

by **DAV** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:28 pm

another sissoko comes to mind when i here the name lucas

by **Reg** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:36 pm

Lucas and Dirk are going to have glorious seasons this year and will overshadow both Torres and Gerrard.

Jeez you lot are miserable gets........

anyone slashed their wrists yet?

by **aCe'** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:44 pm

Lucas will have a big role to play in the start of this season whether we like it or not... Hope he steps it up and does a good enough job until Aquilani is back...

by **RedBlood** » Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:25 am

DAV wrote:another sissoko comes to mind when i here the name lucas

the word idiot comes to mind when i see posts like this one

lucas is far far better on the ball then momo and will score more goals next season then momo will in his entire career

by **Igor Zidane** » Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:33 am

Best liverpool player on the park today bar none . He had a cracking game ,and that's before scoring the goal . Think he was in the oppo's box more times than gerrard today . THe lad is stepping it up so far this pre-season .So lets see how he does when the footy starts for real next week before we right the poor feckers obituary hey .

by **baldricks_cunning_plan** » Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:37 am

Igor Zidane wrote:Best liverpool player on the park today bar none . He had a cracking game ,and that's before scoring the goal . Think he was in the oppo's box more times than gerrard today . THe lad is stepping it up so far this pre-season .So lets see how he does when the footy starts for real next week before we right the poor feckers obituary hey .

A week of Liverpool "fans" not having a dig at Lucas, you'd have more luck asking Cilla Black not to say "chuck" for a week to be honest mate.

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