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by **bunglemark2** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:41 am

Honestly, I'm baffled by Rafa over this Aquilani decision.....20M for a sicknote ??
I mean, if it's the case that LFC know more about the injury than all the press seems to know, then FFS come out and say so. Every fan on this forum and everybody I've spoken to has raised major concerns about his recurring injuries. And we sign him for 20M ??
The Distin thing....I think (read: hope !!) we can dismiss that as a spurious rumour....
But I think Defour looks like a better bet I have to say....

All that said, Rafa, prove me wrong...and - assuming Aquilani passes his medical - welcome to the club !

by **Ciggy** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:51 am

Anyone who calls him aquaman needs shooting.

Only seen him on Youtube and he looks boss nothing like Alonso in the way he plays, yes his injurys are a worry but Xabi was out for nearly 2 seasons injured also.

If he signs we will play totally different from what we have been playing as this fella seems to love to get forward, something we have lacked for the last few years, I hope Rafa lets him play his game and doesnt make him stay back ecspecially against the Stokes of this world.

Welcome to Anfield lad.

by **bunglemark2** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:55 am

Ciggy wrote:Anyone who calls him aquaman needs shooting.

Only seen him on Youtube and he looks boss nothing like Alonso in the way he plays, yes his injurys are a worry but Xabi was out for nearly 2 seasons injured also.

If he signs we will play totally different from what we have been playing as this fella seems to love to get forward, something we have lacked for the last few years, I hope Rafa lets him play his game and doesnt make him stay back ecspecially against the Stokes of this world.

Welcome to Anfield lad.

We didn't pay 20M for Alonso though.....and in any case, don't you think it's a tad naive, not too say potentially ludicrously risky, to spend 20M on a player who has been injured more often than not in recent seasons ?

by **Sean** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:07 am

I'd like to have been a fly on the wall at Aquilani's medical. I mean he hasn't played since March and is not likely to play for a couple of months so how could they possibly give him a thorough medical examination if he is injured.

by **Ciggy** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:07 am

bunglemark2 wrote:We didn't pay 20M for Alonso though.....and in any case, don't you think it's a tad naive, not too say potentially ludicrously risky, to spend 20M on a player who has been injured more often than not in recent seasons ?

Dont believe everything you read we havent paid 20 million for him. Its a gamble Ive heard quite a few saying he is better than Alonso and if he stays fit he will be a world class signing for us.

Im excited about our new additions they are more attacking and when we sign Silva Id say we have had a very good summer, just a pity Xabi has gone.

by **Emerald Red** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:07 am

bunglemark2 wrote:
Ciggy wrote:Anyone who calls him aquaman needs shooting.

Only seen him on Youtube and he looks boss nothing like Alonso in the way he plays, yes his injurys are a worry but Xabi was out for nearly 2 seasons injured also.

If he signs we will play totally different from what we have been playing as this fella seems to love to get forward, something we have lacked for the last few years, I hope Rafa lets him play his game and doesnt make him stay back ecspecially against the Stokes of this world.

Welcome to Anfield lad.

We didn't pay 20M for Alonso though.....and in any case, don't you think it's a tad naive, not too say potentially ludicrously risky, to spend 20M on a player who has been injured more often than not in recent seasons ?

No. And I don't think we spent 20 million on Aquilani either. The press just like to bullsh*t about our dealings. They did it with Torres, and they did it with Keane.

Aquilani's injury record is misleading. There is a reason why he's made so little appearances, and yes some of those have to do with injury, but not particularly bad ones. Spalletti often kept Aquilani out of what is an otherwise excellent Roma midfield with the likes of Totti and De Rossi usually the two main pairing. Ask the Roma fans what they thought about that. Also, there's a common conception that since Spalletti took over, there have been numerous player getting injured and not in actual football games either. It could be bullsh*t, but how you train a player can be a direct result of how certain injuries can occur. Rafa is known for having his training sessions down to a science, so this can only benefit the player. I also hate the fact that like the press, once we spend over 10 million on a player, it's for some reason a huge gamble and that we shouldn't be doing it. Bollox! We're one of the biggest teams on the planet. If we spend 40 million on a player it shouldn't raise an eyebrow.

by **Emerald Red** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:14 am

Sean wrote:I'd like to have been a fly on the wall at Aquilani's medical. I mean he hasn't played since March and is not likely to play for a couple of months so how could they possibly give him a thorough medical examination if he is injured.

When did Serie A end? Of course he hasn't played since March, because he got injured towards the END of the season there. Jesus!

The way they assess a medical regardless if a player is injured or not, is the rate of recovery and the extent of an injury. Now, barring that the fella's leg isn't hanging off, or he's got some kind of crippling disease or some sh*t, I dare hazzard a guess that the man is able to actually walk nevermind kick a football.

Christ almighty, you'd think we signed a f*cking invalid the way some people are harping on. Put it this way: see if Owen can pass a medical, and if Harry Kewell can do likewise, this guy can too. End of.

by **Redman in wales** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:15 am

Aquilani's injury record ...

04.10.2007 - 01.01.2008 (Calf)
24.10.2008 - 21.11.2008 (Thigh)
28.11.2008 - 02.01.2009 (Thigh)
13.02.2009 - 10.03.2009 (Ankle)
12.03.2009 - Present (Ankle)

curtusy of some bloke off rawk

by **tubby** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:18 am

Rawk and

his injury record. Give the lad a chance before laying into him everyone.

by **Liverpool KAIGELS** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:34 am

bavlondon wrote: Rawk and his injury record. Give the lad a chance before laying into him everyone.

When will he be fit to play ..? Any ideas when he's available

by **Emerald Red** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:39 am

Liverpool KAIGELS wrote:
bavlondon wrote::censored: Rawk and his injury record. Give the lad a chance before laying into him everyone.

When will he be fit to play ..? Any ideas when he's available

Around mid September.

by **bunglemark2** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:52 am

Emerald Red wrote:
Sean wrote:I'd like to have been a fly on the wall at Aquilani's medical. I mean he hasn't played since March and is not likely to play for a couple of months so how could they possibly give him a thorough medical examination if he is injured.

When did Serie A end? Of course he hasn't played since March, because he got injured towards the END of the season there. Jesus!

The way they assess a medical regardless if a player is injured or not, is the rate of recovery and the extent of an injury. Now, barring that the fella's leg isn't hanging off, or he's got some kind of crippling disease or some sh*t, I dare hazzard a guess that the man is able to actually walk nevermind kick a football.

Christ almighty, you'd think we signed a f*cking invalid the way some people are harping on. Put it this way: see if Owen can pass a medical, and if Harry Kewell can do likewise, this guy can too. End of.

I think you're being a tad blinkered there Emerald...
Spending..OK, let's say "more than 10M" on ANY player is a risk, especially if he's had the list of injuries I've read in this thread. He's not gonna be available till Sept. at the earliest, meaning obviously not in a position to start the season, and probably a double whammy 'cos the pressure will be on twice as bad when he does become match-fit (at which point a pile of games will be played already, and we should have *some* idea how the others are setting their stall out for the rest of the season)
I'm looking at this from the point of view of "how do we hit the ground running at full speed" when the season starts, and we're a) without an experienced and seasoned Premiership player in the form of Xabi, b) potentially expecting Lucas/Plessis/Spearing (Gulp!) or A.N.Other to step into his (Xabi's) shoes, and c) have a new guy who's not gonna be in a position to get used to his new teammates/setup etc.
That's what disappoints me about the timing of this signing. TBH, I don't know any more than most about the guy, other than what I've read about him and seen on various clips.

I don't think the Owen comparison is valid 'cos he went for a helluva lot less than this guy, and is proven at local and international level. Aquilani is an U21 Captain, granted (now, where have I seen major expectations from an U21 Captain before

?

by **bigmick** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:18 am

Emerald Red wrote:
Liverpool KAIGELS wrote:
bavlondon wrote::censored: Rawk and his injury record. Give the lad a chance before laying into him everyone.

When will he be fit to play ..? Any ideas when he's available

Around mid September.

2013

by **bigmick** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:19 am

sorry just kidding

by **Emerald Red** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:25 am

bunglemark2 wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
Sean wrote:I'd like to have been a fly on the wall at Aquilani's medical. I mean he hasn't played since March and is not likely to play for a couple of months so how could they possibly give him a thorough medical examination if he is injured.

When did Serie A end? Of course he hasn't played since March, because he got injured towards the END of the season there. Jesus!

The way they assess a medical regardless if a player is injured or not, is the rate of recovery and the extent of an injury. Now, barring that the fella's leg isn't hanging off, or he's got some kind of crippling disease or some sh*t, I dare hazzard a guess that the man is able to actually walk nevermind kick a football.

Christ almighty, you'd think we signed a f*cking invalid the way some people are harping on. Put it this way: see if Owen can pass a medical, and if Harry Kewell can do likewise, this guy can too. End of.

I think you're being a tad blinkered there Emerald...
Spending..OK, let's say "more than 10M" on ANY player is a risk, especially if he's had the list of injuries I've read in this thread. He's not gonna be available till Sept. at the earliest, meaning obviously not in a position to start the season, and probably a double whammy 'cos the pressure will be on twice as bad when he does become match-fit (at which point a pile of games will be played already, and we should have *some* idea how the others are setting their stall out for the rest of the season)
I'm looking at this from the point of view of "how do we hit the ground running at full speed" when the season starts, and we're a) without an experienced and seasoned Premiership player in the form of Xabi, b) potentially expecting Lucas/Plessis/Spearing (Gulp!) or A.N.Other to step into his (Xabi's) shoes, and c) have a new guy who's not gonna be in a position to get used to his new teammates/setup etc.
That's what disappoints me about the timing of this signing. TBH, I don't know any more than most about the guy, other than what I've read about him and seen on various clips.

I don't think the Owen comparison is valid 'cos he went for a helluva lot less than this guy, and is proven at local and international level. Aquilani is an U21 Captain, granted (now, where have I seen major expectations from an U21 Captain before ?

Well if I'm being blinkered, then Rafa must be blind. I dare say our manager knows more about football than this entire forum combined times 10. He knows the player and I dare say he's aware of the injuries and what even caused them. Looking at his record, you'll notice that the same injury as the last one occured back-to-back. That's not coincidence. That's playing games when you shouldn't be, or in other words, being rushed back far too soon.

I'd the same problem with injuries years ago. I'd groin injuries which kept persisting because I didn't give them time. After they healed, I got another injury, this time on my foot. Ditto. It happened once. I played again too soon, and the same injury happened again. Doesn't matter who you are, if you play football too soon after not leaving something to heal for enough time, it will happen again.

I think it's the same thing for this guy and I'm really not worried about it because I've faith in Benitez' training methods and ability to protect a player from sustained injury. He's done it with Torres and people raised an eyebrow at it, even slating him, and he did the same with Gerrard a number of times and he got crucified for it. You only need to look at Owen. We were too heavily dependent on him and I believe his injury record is a direct result of needing him far too much and being rushed back.

My only concern about his injuries is this latest one. It's his ankle, and like the knee, it's a pressure point where the weight is distributed. No one knows the extent of it, but I'm hoping it's not one of those ones that's reoccuring or one that will stop him from playing for long periods. I've wrecked my ankle a few times playing football. I know it's painful, but in my experience I could play on it.

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