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by **aCe'** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:59 pm

Rorschach26 wrote:
aCe' wrote:
Dundalk wrote:Ace I really dont think he is that bad of a player, he has become a bit of a scapegoat for the team when they dont to well and I think there is a good player in him and we would be foolish to get rid of him

i think hes a terrible player... I dont think hes any good...
the guy is so bad that people think he had a great game when he goes 90mins without losing the ball umpteen times and without making a mistake that costs us the game...

He isnt a player who could be relied on to bring the ball out from the back, him and Mascherano would ALWAYS struggle against a team with any sort of quality because neither of them can dictate the tempo from the middle..
defensively hes average at best, prone to making big mistakes.
on the attacking end the best he offers is his runs into opposition areas and getting on the end of crosses, and even that he doesnt do anywhere near enough for it to be considered a major assett to his game... he misses way too many passes, he doesnt look comfortable on the ball unless given all the time and space in the world, doesnt have any particular strengths to his game for us to say hes outstanding at this or that...

quite simply i dont see him becoming much better than he is now, and what he is now to me is a player not good enough to be playing for us... not even as backup... we might get away with it because of the quality we have around him.. because we play 2 holding midfielders and we have players like Kuyt working their socks off to cover for teammates, but all in all i dont think he has it in him to be a significant member in our squad...

i think your a gayboy but that doesnt make it true

mmmmmm... okay i guess

by **GYBS** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:07 pm

lucas isnt outstanding nor world class but he is a decent solid back up cm with the potential to improve and nowhere near as bad as been suggested . He has made mistakes , so have plenty other players in the past but he has also done a lot of decent stuff and contributed to some crucial wins for us .

by **stmichael** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:22 pm

Dundalk wrote:Liverpool's Lucas Leiva has held talks with the directors of Brazilian side Corinthians about a move. "You have to see what Rafa Benitez plans," he said. "The president of Corinthians already know that I am interested in and what I want." (Brazilian TV station Terra)

From the BBC Gossip Column

Bloody hell don't tell me he want out now and all? It could be a big season for him this year

I just don't see it. Goimng back to Brazil would just be a step backwards in his career.

by **aCe'** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:24 pm

solid is probably the last word id use to describe Lucas atm... what he COULD POTENTIALLY turn out to be is a decent solid CM no more... but for now i wouldnt call him solid or decent for all that matters...

so tell me GYBS, what is he good at ? what stands out in his game because for the life of me, i just cant see it... as i said earlier... him having a good game according to many would simply constitute him not giving the ball away whenever he gets it and not making too many big profile mistake around our box... when it comes to positive impact though, its daamn well near nonexistent more often than not !

by **stmichael** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:29 pm

aCe' wrote:what is he good at ? what stands out in his game because for the life of me, i just cant see it... as i said earlier... him having a good game according to many would simply constitute him not giving the ball away whenever he gets it and not making too many big profile mistake around our box... when it comes to positive impact though, its daamn well near nonexistent more often than not !

you could say exactly the same about fletcher and anderson at united.

by **aCe'** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:32 pm

stmichael wrote:
Dundalk wrote:Liverpool's Lucas Leiva has held talks with the directors of Brazilian side Corinthians about a move. "You have to see what Rafa Benitez plans," he said. "The president of Corinthians already know that I am interested in and what I want." (Brazilian TV station Terra)

From the BBC Gossip Column

Bloody hell don't tell me he want out now and all? It could be a big season for him this year

I just don't see it. Goimng back to Brazil would just be a step backwards in his career.

And having fallen out of favour with Brazil coach Carlos Dunga, Lucas admits he will assess his options in the summer having accepted regular first-team football is the best way to break back into the national team ahead of next year's World Cup finals in South America.

"I consider that I play a lot (for Liverpool), but the internal competition is very high," said Lucas.

"The situation doesn't worry me right now because my objective has always been to be playing in order to be back with the national team.

"Once the season is over I will see what the best option is for me. Everybody wants to be playing in the World Cup and I will push to have this chance.

"You have to play all the time if you want to be called up."

Nevertheless, Lucas appears to be mystified by coach Carlos Dunga's decision not to call him up.

"I can hardly explain what happened, but Dunga makes his own decisions," said the midfielder.

"I was in the squad in the last four World Cup qualifiers and played against Bolivia, during which the team didn't play well.

"I believe that I'm part of a list of 30 or 40 players, but I'm out of the 22-man squad."

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this was from March last year... i dont think many big European clubs would want to bid for him honestly, certainly not as a starting player for a club with any sort of ambition... and Dunga does call up players from the Brazilian league so i think a move to Corinthians could be just what he needs...

by **aCe'** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:39 pm

stmichael wrote:
aCe' wrote:what is he good at ? what stands out in his game because for the life of me, i just cant see it... as i said earlier... him having a good game according to many would simply constitute him not giving the ball away whenever he gets it and not making too many big profile mistake around our box... when it comes to positive impact though, its daamn well near nonexistent more often than not !

you could say exactly the same about fletcher and anderson at united.

come on Mike you know thats wide off the mark...
Anderson is a very good player to say the least... i expect him to be a world beater in a few years.. the guy is excellent going forward, carrying the ball, has a great shot on him and works his balls off for the team... he has excellent technical ability and isnt too shabby at the defensive end of things either, i honestly expect him to become of the best midfielders around when Utd eventually decide to play him regularly...

Fletcher while being a player i dont personally rate highly is just your definition of 'reliable'... he never seems to lose the ball and does the defensive work to great effect.. his passing is way better than Lucas and he has experience to his side as well..

by **GYBS** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:57 pm

well you must see a different anderson to me as he doesnt look much better than lucas ? ? Certainly doesnt create much for them anytime i have seen him and as for his great shot it has so far seen him score nil goals for man utd yet lucas has managed to get himself on the score sheet and has provided us with some valuable results and performed well . Fletcher is no better than lucas yet was one of man utd main players last season . As for experience well that will come for lucas . He played 20 plus games for us last season and from what i remember we didnt loose any league games with him starting and not many with him coming on as a sub so he cant be that bad can he when he plays against the mancs and helps us win ? Or did we play with ten that day ? For me at the moment he is a good option as back up with improving , has had some pretty good performances during pre season so far so hopefully he keep going .

by **Judge** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:57 pm

the only thing solid about lucas is his dumps

by **fergieisawhiskeynosedtw@t** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:02 pm

FFS

61 pages on whether Lucas is good enough to play for LFC

I can sum him up in one word

:censored:

!!!

by **Redman in wales** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:06 pm

Judge wrote:the only thing solid about lucas is his dumps

not according to last nights vinadloo....

by **aCe'** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:13 pm

GYBS wrote:well you must see a different anderson to me as he doesnt look much better than lucas ? ? Certainly doesnt create much for them anytime i have seen him and as for his great shot it has so far seen him score nil goals for man utd yet lucas has managed to get himself on the score sheet and has provided us with some valuable results and performed well . Fletcher is no better than lucas yet was one of man utd main players last season . As for experience well that will come for lucas . He played 20 plus games for us last season and from what i remember we didnt loose any league games with him starting and not many with him coming on as a sub so he cant be that bad can he when he plays against the mancs and helps us win ? Or did we play with ten that day ? For me at the moment he is a good option as back up with improving , has had some pretty good performances during pre season so far so hopefully he keep going .

are you serious or did you just forget the sarcasm smiley at the end ?

im dead serious about this, are you trying to say that Lucas is better or just as good as Anderson ?

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:19 pm

Lucas is very good in the air for his size, seems quite brave and willing to put his foot in (rashly at times

) he is a decent passer of the ball and works very hard, so its not all bad.

To me he just seems to be too happy to pass on the responsibility to others rather than trying to create things for himself. I don't think he is a world beater , but I don't think he is cr@p either. I would see how he goes this season, if we don't start to see all round improvements it might be time to think about getting shut.

by **GYBS** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:31 pm

exactly saint , he is a young lad learning his trade and will stick to simple stuff while he develops and gets more experience . And ace anderson has done nothing of note for man utd every time i have seen him play . Another player with a massive rep as a kid abroad and seems vastly overrated in my eyes . Would place fletcher better than him , he may have this wonderful ability you say he does and great shot but he doesnt seem to use it much - like i said three seasons is it at the mancs now and not one goal from a wonderkid attacking midfielder ?

by **aCe'** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:38 pm

s@int wrote:Lucas is very good in the air for his size, seems quite brave and willing to put his foot in (rashly at times ) he is a decent passer of the ball and works very hard, so its not all bad.

To me he just seems to be too happy to pass on the responsibility to others rather than trying to create things for himself. I don't think he is a world beater , but I don't think he is cr@p either. I would see how he goes this season, if we don't start to see all round improvements it might be time to think about getting shut.

ok hes not [email]cr@p...[/email] if hes not then the likes of Scott Parker, Kevin Nolan, Sean Davis...etc etc arent cr@p either... point is, we can do much better ...

Hes good in the air i agreed with that but he doesnt make the runs into the box anywhere near enough times for it to be considered a big assett to his game, he's not a good passer in my books and im honestly sick and tired of hearing about players who "work hard"...
A good passer to me is someone who either constantly plays creative passes to bring others into play or someone who doesnt miss 9 out of every 10 passes he makes.. Lucas is neither.. correct me if im wrong, but the only times iv seen Lucas put in a good pass through to someone in an attacking position is when Lucas has all the space and time to do so... Even then, he sometimes misplaces the pass... Hes a CM or a holding midfielder however you want to look at it...with Mascherano in the side his job is mainly starting attacks from the back and picking the right passes rather than the easy ones, again, i dont think he does that... passing to Arbeloa or Mascherano whenever he gets the ball isnt going to get us anywhere, especially not with the style we play... atleast with someone like Parker (if we were really interested in him) we'd have someone who was reliable at the back and wouldnt make big mistakes that could potentially cost us points.. hes also a better passer in a sense that he actually gets the ball through to the intended target more often than not..

Lucas to me isnt good enough to come in and do a job, we can do better and as i said earlier if theres any interest in him id be more than happy to see him go with someone else coming in...

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