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by **Madmax** » Sun May 31, 2009 12:19 pm

i want to watch the film this its called drag me to hell or something

by **tubby** » Sun May 31, 2009 1:07 pm

Terminator and T2 for me are like the Godfather first 2 films. The first one is always a classic but the 2nd one was possibly better.

by **tonyeh** » Sun May 31, 2009 3:26 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
tonyeh wrote:Sorry lads, but Terminator 2 was awful. Mushy crap with a ridiculous bad guy liquid robot. A LIQUID?? robot?...what bollocks.

Utter nonsense.

They took a great bad guy in the first (Arnie) and made him a lap dog. They took a single minded killing machine and tried to make him a wise-cracking all American hero.....

Rubbish.

"H'asta la Vista baby", me arse.

Nice bike though.

I think you're the only person I've heard with an opinion like that.

Perhaps Red, but for me the about face of Arnie's Terminator and the introduction of the ridiculous T-1000, along with some truly irritating characters (Furlong), just blew it for me.

The clunky quips and attempts to humanise Arnie (thumbs up at the end) were the final nails in the coffin and all the flashy stunts and silly CGI weren't going to help it.

Unlike the first Terminator, which despite some dodgy effects (even by the standards of the day) remains a more serious and gritty afair...and is all the better for it.

by **dawson99** » Sun May 31, 2009 5:33 pm

I'm wwith Tony.. Terminator 2 was awful, the original is total genius

3 is actually a very good film if you look at what it does, it also has by far the best ending... plus Nick Stahl is a great John Connor

by **tubby** » Sun May 31, 2009 5:50 pm

It's a bit unfair to say it has the best ending as we know all along that ending was going to come at some point. Just as we knew the ending of T1 would be destorying the terminator and same for T2 ect....

Also that physician in T2 Dr whatever his name is from the institution doesn't seem to have aged a day. Considering that was supposed to be like 10 or 12 years in the future I thought that was a bit silly.

by **dawson99** » Sun May 31, 2009 5:53 pm

bavlondon wrote:It's a bit unfair to say it has the best ending as we know all along that ending was going to come at some point. Just as we knew the ending of T1 would be destorying the terminator and same for T2 ect....

Also that physician in T2 Dr whatever his name is from the institution doesn't seem to have aged a day. Considering that was supposed to be like 10 or 12 years in the future I thought that was a bit silly.

but its HOW they got to the ending, how they ended up where they did and how John Connor became who he did.. was class...
only thing that really ruined 3 was Arnie himself

by **Emerald Red** » Sun May 31, 2009 9:16 pm

dawson99 wrote:I'm wwith Tony.. Terminator 2 was awful, the original is total genius

3 is actually a very good film if you look at what it does, it also has by far the best ending... plus Nick Stahl is a great John Connor

So you reckon 3 was better than 2? How can that be when all they did was practically just merge the first two films together? F*ck sake, they even merged the concept of the first two terminators together because they couldn't come up with something original. All they did different was give it a pair of tlts. I didn't mind the 3rd for the basic reason that it filled in the gaps in the timeline, but that's the only purpose of it, and that could have been done in a 10 minute intro to a film about the actual war of the machines.

Like it or not, it was the second film that really exploded the Terminator mythology into what it's become. The idea of having a Terminator film practically the same as the first film would have failed big time, so the concept of a new machine that could morph and immitate people and objects, the T-1000, made better sense. To have the original T-800 come back as the protector this time round was a gamble and a refreshing approach and it made sense for the story to advance and progress while keeping it interesting. It's just a shame that the time between the 2nd and 3rd films was as long as it was, and the fact that it was taken up by another director and writer that obviously had very little imagination and a different vision of what the first two were all about. Same goes for these new ones. Complete lack of imagination and style.

by **dawson99** » Sun May 31, 2009 9:20 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
dawson99 wrote:I'm wwith Tony.. Terminator 2 was awful, the original is total genius

3 is actually a very good film if you look at what it does, it also has by far the best ending... plus Nick Stahl is a great John Connor

So you reckon 3 was better than 2? How can that be when all they did was practically just merge the first two films together? F*ck sake, they even merged the concept of the first two terminators together because they couldn't come up with something original. All they did different was give it a pair of tlts. I didn't mind the 3rd for the basic reason that it filled in the gaps in the timeline, but that's the only purpose of it, and that could have been done in a 10 minute intro to a film about the actual war of the machines.

Like it or not, it was the second film that really exploded the Terminator mythology into what it's become. The idea of having a Terminator film practically the same as the first film would have failed big time, so the concept of a new machine that could morph and immitate people and objects, the T-1000, made better sense. To have the original T-800 come back as the protector this time round was a gamble and a refreshing approach and it made sense for the story to advance and progress while keeping it interesting. It's just a shame that the time between the 2nd and 3rd films was as long as it was, and the fact that it was taken up by another director and writer that obviously had very little imagination and a different vision of what the first two were all about. Same goes for these new ones. Complete lack of imagination and style.

Terminator 2 was everything that is wrong with movies.

Take a fantastic idea... and Hollywood it, take the main bad guy and now hes popular make him a good guy, give him some of the worst quotes in history "hasta la vista baby" and make a comlpete joke of it.

Terminator 3 is nothing like one.. it is the culmination of the trilogy. No one knew why john connor was the one, or how it came about, now we do know.
The script is clever, and unlike 2 it does not treat us as if we have ADD and an IQ under 100.
3 also tells us who created skynet and why.

So terminator 2 is more hollywood, has too much spent on it and the actual story dissapears in my view. 3 is raw, and brings back how the films should be

by **Greavesie** » Sun May 31, 2009 9:39 pm

Terminator 2 is by far the best of them, just a lot more going on in it for me. Enjoy it everytime I see it, the first one's great as well but the third one was b0llocks

by **Emerald Red** » Sun May 31, 2009 9:51 pm

dawson99 wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
dawson99 wrote:I'm wwith Tony.. Terminator 2 was awful, the original is total genius

3 is actually a very good film if you look at what it does, it also has by far the best ending... plus Nick Stahl is a great John Connor

So you reckon 3 was better than 2? How can that be when all they did was practically just merge the first two films together? F*ck sake, they even merged the concept of the first two terminators together because they couldn't come up with something original. All they did different was give it a pair of tlts. I didn't mind the 3rd for the basic reason that it filled in the gaps in the timeline, but that's the only purpose of it, and that could have been done in a 10 minute intro to a film about the actual war of the machines.

Like it or not, it was the second film that really exploded the Terminator mythology into what it's become. The idea of having a Terminator film practically the same as the first film would have failed big time, so the concept of a new machine that could morph and immitate people and objects, the T-1000, made better sense. To have the original T-800 come back as the protector this time round was a gamble and a refreshing approach and it made sense for the story to advance and progress while keeping it interesting. It's just a shame that the time between the 2nd and 3rd films was as long as it was, and the fact that it was taken up by another director and writer that obviously had very little imagination and a different vision of what the first two were all about. Same goes for these new ones. Complete lack of imagination and style.

Terminator 2 was everything that is wrong with movies.

Take a fantastic idea... and Hollywood it, take the main bad guy and now hes popular make him a good guy, give him some of the worst quotes in history "hasta la vista baby" and make a comlpete joke of it.

Terminator 3 is nothing like one.. it is the culmination of the trilogy. No one knew why john connor was the one, or how it came about, now we do know.
The script is clever, and unlike 2 it does not treat us as if we have ADD and an IQ under 100.
3 also tells us who created skynet and why.

So terminator 2 is more hollywood, has too much spent on it and the actual story dissapears in my view. 3 is raw, and brings back how the films should be

I can't disagree enough. T3 was nothing like 1? Watch it again. It started almost exactly like part one. In fact, it was a direct rip-off. Then somewhere in the middle, once Arnie entered the fray, it turned into elements of part 2, and if you say that 2 was what is bad about Hollywood, then 3 just took that same concept of one liners and took the plss, because it practically was a parody of one-liners from the first two. Basically what the writers did was freak out and decided not to do anything different, so they took what was best about the first and second films and melded them into one, with the end sequence basically filling in the gaps in the story. The part where Skynet was actually a virus instead of a automated computer AI, and how it triggered the war. That was it. That was the only good and progressive thing about that film. As far as sequels go, T2 and Camerons other sci-fi masterpiece Aliens are the best ever made IMO.

by **tubby** » Sun May 31, 2009 10:00 pm

For someone who watches so much TV/Films im rather dissapointed in your thoughts on this Dawson.

by **dawson99** » Sun May 31, 2009 10:08 pm

T2 one of the most impressive sequels?

ok, top 5 sequels ever:

Aliens - this is how to beef up the original
Godfather 2 - need i say more?
Empire strikes back - by far the best star wars film ever made
before sunset - before sunrise , people thought could not be bettered... ti was
evil dead 2 - brilliant...simply brilliant

Terminator 2... i just cant like it... it had no soul... 3 had soul. Nick Stahl was a scared young man... Edward Furlong in 2 was just an annoying pr!ck

here is why 2 is bad:

when arnie says: i need a vacation

arnie says: I know now why you cry. But it's something I can never do.

3 is far far from perfect, as i said Arnie did his best to ruin the film, but at least it has a point. Terminator 2 is basically a theme park ride elongated

by **redbeergoggles** » Sun May 31, 2009 11:17 pm

Ive just watched Bronsons life story ,34 years he's done in various prisons ,and 30 were spent in solitary confinement .......

definitely a must see (Straightener anyone ? )

by **dawson99** » Sun May 31, 2009 11:18 pm

u read his book? now thats a mental read!

by **redbeergoggles** » Sun May 31, 2009 11:20 pm

No, but I will after seeing this movie

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