Tevez anyone?

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Postby tubby » Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:12 am

DanAn wrote:
Cream of Europe wrote:Don't want any manc scum. He's far to inconsistent, and runs around like a headless chook.  We dodged a bullet when we didn't sign Heinze and like Robbie, he'll only be a liability. We need to bring in some strong youth talent and build. This to me is why United are going to dominate for the next couple of years. Rafael, Fabio, Macheda, Anderson, Evans, Gibson etc, will all be forces to be reckoned with.

I disagree, we've been buying youth talent for the last five years and I think they are every bit as good as Manchester United's. We just don't have the depth they do.
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There's not that big a difference IMO

Every bit as good? :laugh:

Insua is probably the only one of out lot I would keep. The rest are rubbish. Babel was ok in his first season but he has gone backwards now.
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Postby Jonas Blane » Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:14 am

Cream, I agree Tevez is far too inconsistent. Plus, he would cost us close to 30 millions, with this kind of money we could buy David Villa  :cool:
Imagine Villa+Nando playing together in the PL, no one could stop them. And also a new keeper, I've lost faith in Pepe and I wonder if Rafa is feeling the same?

DanAn, you seem to rate Lucas. I'm a bit surprised, I though he didn't progress much this year...
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Postby Ace Ventura » Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:14 am

Not sure why or how anyone could say Tevez isnt a top player.
He was brilliant last season and for some bizarre reason Fergie bought Berbatov for silly money and then has really froze Tevez out.
When he has come in though he hasnt appeared to sulk and still grafts and pops up with goals.

Here is one of them heard it on the grapevine liverpool rumours  :D

Me mates dad was playing golf yesterday with someone who claims to be a financial advisor for a lot of top premiership players. Well this fella said Tevez deal is already done and it will be announced at the end of the season.

To be honest i dont know any of these people and think its probably one of them blags that go around.
Just telling people what i was told to make a monday morning more interesting.
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Postby Jonas Blane » Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:26 am

No one is saying he isn't a top player, in my opinion David Villa is different class and his partnership with Torres was proven at the international level.

I don't think Tevez would want to come hear, he seems to be good friends with several manc players and I can see him go to Spain if the mancs don't buy him.
But as you said, these are rumors, we'll see :D
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Postby GYBS » Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:32 am

not really sure the villa torres partnership is actually that proven as for spain torres seems to have his best games when villa isnt playing and he is supported by fabregas or a deep lying striker .
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Postby Ace Ventura » Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:33 am

Jonas Blane wrote:No one is saying he isn't a top player, in my opinion David Villa is different class and his partnership with Torres was proven at the international level.

I don't think Tevez would want to come hear, he seems to be good friends with several manc players and I can see him go to Spain if the mancs don't buy him.
But as you said, these are rumors, we'll see :D

I dont think they gelled too well Torres and Villa to be honest.
They got by as they are both top players, but didnt really look like a partnership.
Then again Torres is a bit of a lone ranger so might not strike up partnerships that well with alot of players, unless you have the players that drop deep and like to link things.
I think Tevez could do that, btw even i dont believe the rumour i posted, was just something i heard.
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Postby GYBS » Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:34 am

and yes agree that tevez would be better as a partner for torres . drops deep works like a dog and goes out wide both sides - would be very happy with tevez
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Postby Kukilon » Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:42 am

Tevez would be awesome.
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Postby Owzat » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:01 am

GYBS wrote:and yes agree that tevez would be better as a partner for torres . drops deep works like a dog and goes out wide both sides - would be very happy with tevez

Assuming the current system is best, and we don't want to risk losing effectiveness of any of Kuyt, Gerrard or Torres, then I'd bring in someone who scores more and maybe creates more than Riera on the left.

Working on the basis we stick to the formation that has served us so well through most of 2008 and 2009, I reckon the priorities are :-

LW/LWF : Riera is a good player, but if we can get someone like Kuyt for the opposite flank then we'd have four good sources of goals and that means we can stick with Alonso and Mascherano in more holding roles and get more goals (since those two are unlikely to turn out more than 6-7 between them in a Premiership season) Tevez might be ideal for that role, since Kuyt is naturally a striker then playing a striker on the opposite flank is a fairly obvious move. I like Riera, but needs must and he could still play a role if we switch formation or off the bench or as cover for Kuyt and Tevez/LWF

RB - I see mention of Arbeloa, I (too) am unconvinced he is good enough. Not solid enough defensively, not the best RB going forward either. I think he looks to lightweight when defending balls in the air, he has his moments but I'm not convinced he's any better than Finnan was.

CF - I could simply say Tevez, but I don't want to go to 4-4-2 so he'd have to used like Kuyt. If we could find a good CF, maybe a young one, who will start a few games a season but not be much more than a sub and squad player, then that's the kind of buy we need. Better than N'Gog, but not so much so that he wants regular 1st team action. That's why I've often said releasing Fowler was a mistake, he could have filled that role nicely (for a while at least)

LB - still a worry, anyone we play at LB has good games, sometimes a run of good games, but like Arbeloa don't offer quite what we need from full-backs. I assume Dossena will be a one season acquisition and be replaced, maybe Rafa will stick to Aurelio and Insua as his options.

CM - I think we need a bit of cover, Lucas is ok in what he does, but we need a slightly different player as cover. I'm not sure Barry would come to us, if he's any sense, because he'd have to displace someone and who is that going to be? Alonso? Gerrard? Mascherano? He might be better off where he is, playing regularly than no guarantee

RM - back-up for the Premiership 2nd best RM needed ( :D ) I'd keep Benayoun as a sub and back-up for injuries, mainly to Gerrard. If we could find a pacy young winger at the right price then he could come on late in the game and play a role, it would certainly be cheaper than some people's shopping lists which would contain at least a couple of £20m signings and the usual £5m+ signings for a few other positions. RM is not nearly the biggest problem this season, if it is one at all.

CB - needs sorting more than needs more signings. I saw rumours that two clubs are after Sami, we'd need to secure him as a coach in the (near) future, or let him continue his playing career elsewhere. I'd rather Agger was given the chance to become the next Sami/Carra, but Rafa prefers Skrtel and Agger will no doubt move on sooner rather than later. I think Carra and Agger is our best pairing, if the defence can sort out problems from set pieces then I don't think it's that big an issue.


All that said I think continuity has a lot to be said for it, not making too many significant changes to the team. So while I think we could do with a few players in various positions, I still think we should be sticking with the current formation and most of the current options.

GK Reina
RB new signing
LB Aurelio
CB Carragher
CB Agger
CM Mascherano
CM Alonso
AM Gerrard
RWF Kuyt
LWF new signing (Tevez perhaps?)
CF Torres

seven home draws have been our problem, more goals and attacking prowess from a LWF could fix enough to make draws less of an issue - and maybe changing formation or personnel (Mascherano) against sides we should be beating at home. I think the above retains our better performers, maintains enough continuity and if we work on defending set-pieces then we can add a strong new addition every season, whether they are to be starters or squad players.
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Postby lakes10 » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:47 am

just heard that Man City are going to have talks with him, (not seen that on Rawk yet lol)
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Postby GYBS » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:48 am

:laugh:

not sure if he would go to citeh

all comes down to cost - if we could afford him i think he would come to us over citeh
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Postby DanAn » Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:09 pm

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Cream of Europe wrote:Don't want any manc scum. He's far to inconsistent, and runs around like a headless chook.  We dodged a bullet when we didn't sign Heinze and like Robbie, he'll only be a liability. We need to bring in some strong youth talent and build. This to me is why United are going to dominate for the next couple of years. Rafael, Fabio, Macheda, Anderson, Evans, Gibson etc, will all be forces to be reckoned with.

I disagree, we've been buying youth talent for the last five years and I think they are every bit as good as Manchester United's. We just don't have the depth they do.
Insua, Lucas, N'gog, Babel, Plessis
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Rafael, Anderson, Macheda, Evans, Fabio


There's not that big a difference IMO

Every bit as good? :laugh:

Insua is probably the only one of out lot I would keep. The rest are rubbish. Babel was ok in his first season but he has gone backwards now.

Maybe I am a bit bias but I rate some of our young players.

I think N'gog is actually better than Macheda

I like Insua but I think Rafael is a touch better

Anderson and Lucas I don't actually rate either but Anderson is better, I think Barry would be a big step up on both though.

We don't have an equivalent in age of Evans but I think Agger is a much better prospect.

Interested to see where Mancs are significantly better than us.
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Postby GYBS » Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:14 pm

why fork out 10 mil on a 30 year old just for him to be back up though mate ? when we can keep developing lucas to be back up ? the ten million saved could then be used better to get a creative player we lack .
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Postby DanAn » Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:46 pm

GYBS wrote:why fork out 10 mil on a 30 year old just for him to be back up though mate ? when we can keep developing lucas to be back up ? the ten million saved could then be used better to get a creative player we lack .

1. Barry's 28 not 30
2. Getting Barry most likely means selling Lucas so it not a 10m saving, more like 3-4m
3. Lucas, while an honest performer, cost us valuable points this season.
4. Who know's where we will be in 3 years time, we are contenders now.
5. He's English

I'd also feel a lot more comfortable getting rid of Dossena and losing Babel knowing Barry can cover both positions at what probably is a higher level.
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Postby Sweet Pete » Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:33 pm

Tevez would be a player I'd like to see in a Liverpool jersey.

And it would wind up the mancs :cool:

I'd be happy to see Gareth Barry signed up too but there's no bottomless pit of money.

There's a few of the current team that could be moved on to free up funds IMO; Dossena, Babel, Lucas, El Zhar, Ngog, Plessis.
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