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by **Alex G.** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 9:17 pm

If united won 11 premier leagues from the last 16 years it´s not just because SIR smacked as.s face is a genius.

by **NANNY RED** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 9:42 pm

The_Rock wrote:
Well, now, tell me, why should I accept being called brainwashed, Rafalite, or unable to face reality?

And the oscar for the best drama queen goes to......

The Rock for his best smackdown on the undertaker :laugh:

by **Raffmaker** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 9:44 pm

I personally would like to see Rafa go too at the end of the season. His costant Rotation, playing players out of position, mediocre signings, and silly ineffective formations really worry me.

If you look at the bigger picture, who are we gonna sign come the summer to make any big impact? Unless we sign the calibre of David Villa, Robinho, Iniesta, adriano, Owen, etc, then expect exactly the same next season.

Utd will be just as strong if not stronger. Rafa does not know how to win and take risks.

I just look at the next two seasons and what our rivals will look like.

Not looking good. :glare:

by **tonyeh** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 9:56 pm

Raffmaker wrote:I personally would like to see Rafa go too at the end of the season. His costant Rotation, playing players out of position, mediocre signings, and silly ineffective formations really worry me.

If you look at the bigger picture, who are we gonna sign come the summer to make any big impact? Unless we sign the calibre of David Villa, Robinho, Iniesta, adriano, Owen, etc, then expect exactly the same next season.

Utd will be just as strong if not stronger. Rafa does not know how to win and take risks.

I just look at the next two seasons and what our rivals will look like.

Not looking good.

Why the hell would David Villa come to Liverpool? To be benched by Benitez so it won't intefere with his beloved 4-5-1 formation?

No striker with an ounce of sense would do that to himself.

by **dawson99** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:00 pm

tonyeh wrote:
Raffmaker wrote:I personally would like to see Rafa go too at the end of the season. His costant Rotation, playing players out of position, mediocre signings, and silly ineffective formations really worry me.

If you look at the bigger picture, who are we gonna sign come the summer to make any big impact? Unless we sign the calibre of David Villa, Robinho, Iniesta, adriano, Owen, etc, then expect exactly the same next season.

Utd will be just as strong if not stronger. Rafa does not know how to win and take risks.

I just look at the next two seasons and what our rivals will look like.

Not looking good.

Why the hell would David Villa come to Liverpool? To be benched by Benitez so it won't intefere with his beloved 4-5-1 formation?

No striker with an ounce of sense would do that to himself.

Why did Torres come?
Now you are saying players wont join?
I think you under-estimate how well Rafa is loved all over Europe and how big a club we are.

by **Sabre** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:03 pm

Villa isn't willing to leave Spain, but if he left he'd come to Liverpool, just like a certain Torres did, I don't know if you know him.

If any he'd come to the best club of your country under the best manager.

He's not bombarded with tons of english press shít that will make you believe Ferguson is the great of the greatest and Liverpool not that great.

Outside of the influence of those british journos, the rest of the world have their own perception of English football.

We still can see who has most league titles and who has won more CLs than all the rest of english clubs together.

We see things like it is.

So don't be surprised if one day you read the press and you see mockery of Juande Ramos for instance, and the next day he's coaching a team with 9 CLs and winning 9 games in a row.

How did they give the clown a job? you may wonder. The answer is simple, in Spain they do not pay much attention to what this bástards that pretend to be journos say.

So yes, if Villa was going to move to England, Liverpool would be the place.

by **JoeTerp** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:06 pm

Sabre wrote:
REDTILLDEAD wrote:
dawson99 wrote:yeah, just my thought...

I thought I was allowed an opinion. Sorry.

Oh sorry i didn't realise that was an opinion??

What surprised?

A poster labeling you as negative and you asking whether that's an opinion?

And then you go in the Match thread putting labels of your own ?

This is incredible. If it wasn't for the defeat I'd be in stitches. But I can't.

On the question of the topic, I think that league must be a priority this season and I'll stick to that.

It's not the same to be second or third, it's not only a matter of honour or a stat to show as progress, it means that you haven't to play a preliminary round in Europe and a better preparation of the next season. And that remains valid regardless who you want in the Liverpool bench next season.

I wouldn't quit any importance to any league game except perhaps if we play the CL final, just the previous game.

I think it if comes to a point where we have a situation in which we see that a player would only be fit enough to play in one of 2 games coming up and one of them was a CL game, it would make more sense to play that player in the CL game. Football is about winning trophies, no? While the European cup might not be the trophy of choice for us, picking a piece of silverware should help in some small way to deal with the pain, at least compared to not.

by **tonyeh** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:10 pm

dawson99 wrote:
tonyeh wrote:
Raffmaker wrote:I personally would like to see Rafa go too at the end of the season. His costant Rotation, playing players out of position, mediocre signings, and silly ineffective formations really worry me.

If you look at the bigger picture, who are we gonna sign come the summer to make any big impact? Unless we sign the calibre of David Villa, Robinho, Iniesta, adriano, Owen, etc, then expect exactly the same next season.

Utd will be just as strong if not stronger. Rafa does not know how to win and take risks.

I just look at the next two seasons and what our rivals will look like.

Not looking good.

Why the hell would David Villa come to Liverpool? To be benched by Benitez so it won't intefere with his beloved 4-5-1 formation?

No striker with an ounce of sense would do that to himself.

Why did Torres come?
Now you are saying players wont join?
I think you under-estimate how well Rafa is loved all over Europe and how big a club we are.

I don't think we had a 4-5-1 system bolted on, did we?

Also, the fiasco with Keane this year will put many a striker off coming to this team.

by **Sabre** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:11 pm

Yes I see where you are coming from Joe, a good reasoning, in fact I have thought like that before but I still think we should do our best in the league.

I suspect the summer preliminary round makes more harm than it's credited for, I'd like to watch the team second (if we can't win it), and certainly it wouldn't be the same for me to be second 5 points off the champion with a good end of season that otherwise.

by **eonerf** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:18 pm

To be honest I won't stop believing in the league until its mathmatically impossible. Might sound like a crazy idea but then again I was suprised last season when Chelsea took Man U to the wire before they won the title.

by **JoeTerp** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:41 pm

Sabre wrote:Yes I see where you are coming from Joe, a good reasoning, in fact I have thought like that before but I still think we should do our best in the league.

I suspect the summer preliminary round makes more harm than it's credited for, I'd like to watch the team second (if we can't win it), and certainly it wouldn't be the same for me to be second 5 points off the champion with a good end of season that otherwise.

obviously the next 2 weeks have a huge impact on the situation. Its still possibly that Madrid could score twice at Anfield, as well as equally possible that in the next two weeks either Chelsea or us pull away from the other. I agree that missing the preliminary round would be nice, but I thought they were changing how that process worked, no?

depending on how the league plays out, I would consider resting one or both of Torres and Gerrard in league games before CL considering their injury problems this season. Not only for more freshness in the CL but also for protecting damage in terms of next season because its pretty clear that any serious challenge we are ever going to put together is going to rely on both of them being fit for as long as possible for a league campaign (sadly it seems that this is how we are built)

by **Sabre** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:01 pm

obviously the next 2 weeks have a huge impact on the situation. Its still possibly that Madrid could score twice at Anfield, as well as equally possible that in the next two weeks either Chelsea or us pull away from the other. I agree that missing the preliminary round would be nice, but I thought they were changing how that process worked, no?

Are they? thanks, I didn't know it, I normally ignore any news coming from UEFA or FIFA

. Do you know what the changes are about?

Again, you reason your post well. But don't you think that focusing on the league just as if we were competing for the title, doing a good end of season, and finnishing second wouldn't help for the team's mentality next year?

Meaning, if you find 5 points below, or 4, at the end of the season, and you do a strong end of league, you might think (Rafa, the players, the supporters) "fúck it, if we hadn't made this and this mistake we could have won it. But we're not far from it". I know my point is "psychological", and not reasoned that well, but I think it would help to do a good end of league.

by **NANNY RED** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:16 pm

TheLad wrote:Why isn't any option for going for the Champions League AND for the 2. place in the PL?

I totaly agree with that bit , wheres that option Ace, i want a repoll

by **TheLad** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:17 pm

eonerf wrote:To be honest I won't stop believing in the league until its mathmatically impossible. Might sound like a crazy idea but then again I was suprised last season when Chelsea took Man U to the wire before they won the title.

The same with me. No reason not to believe until there is a chance...

by **JoeTerp** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:21 pm

Sabre wrote:
obviously the next 2 weeks have a huge impact on the situation. Its still possibly that Madrid could score twice at Anfield, as well as equally possible that in the next two weeks either Chelsea or us pull away from the other. I agree that missing the preliminary round would be nice, but I thought they were changing how that process worked, no?

Are they? thanks, I didn't know it, I normally ignore any news coming from UEFA or FIFA . Do you know what the changes are about?

Again, you reason your post well. But don't you think that focusing on the league just as if we were competing for the title, doing a good end of season, and finnishing second wouldn't help for the team's mentality next year?

Meaning, if you find 5 points below, or 4, at the end of the season, and you do a strong end of league, you might think (Rafa, the players, the supporters) "fúck it, if we hadn't made this and this mistake we could have won it. But we're not far from it". I know my point is "psychological", and not reasoned that well, but I think it would help to do a good end of league.

from wiki

its shows that 3rd place in England is in the group stages. Teams that benefit from changes are small league champions, because it is the CHAMPIONS league. The third qualifying round for English teams will likely play against a team like Rangers, Benfica, Dynamo Moscow, Ajax, Besiktas, or Panathinaikos. Much Much better finishing 3rd than 4th. However, the group stages are going to be easier now because each group will have one team of a very very low quality (sometimes already the case, but the lowest seeded team in our group this year was Atleti)

Certainly it is better psychologically for the team to win than to draw or lose. And strategic decisions regarding favoring one competition over the other are going to be few and far between considering there are only 5 more CL games during the PL season, AND our next one will come on a full weeks rest.

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