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Postby Sabre » Fri Jan 30, 2009 11:38 am

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“I can guarantee that 90% of the players – I can’t say 100% – are just talking about football.”

Any Spanish explanation that proves it is not what we ALL think it is?


This is Spanish for, I have an united dressroom bar one or two cúnts that will be dealt with soon enough.  :D

Milou, at the end of the day, trying to interpret words from a manager is not an easy science.

who are the 2 c*nts as you so nicely put it tho ?

I could guess keane might be one but the other 1-2 is who ?

gerrard for being subed ?

In my speculation and guessing, I was thinking more in the likes of Pennant, to be perfectly honest.
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Postby LegBarnes » Fri Jan 30, 2009 11:42 am

Sabre wrote:
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Sabre wrote:
“I can guarantee that 90% of the players – I can’t say 100% – are just talking about football.”

Any Spanish explanation that proves it is not what we ALL think it is?


This is Spanish for, I have an united dressroom bar one or two cúnts that will be dealt with soon enough.  :D

Milou, at the end of the day, trying to interpret words from a manager is not an easy science.

who are the 2 c*nts as you so nicely put it tho ?

I could guess keane might be one but the other 1-2 is who ?

gerrard for being subed ?

In my speculation and guessing, I was thinking more in the likes of Pennant, to be perfectly honest.

pennent ain't even at club any more is he ?

edit no he isn't :D

http://www.thisisanfield.com/news/2009/01/pennant-loan-deal-done/

“He was a very exciting prospect. He’s quick and very technically gifted and he can have a go at defenders.

“I saw him play with Peter Crouch for Liverpool at Fulham last year and he was constantly getting past their left-back and getting crosses in for Crouchie.”



Hang on was we watching the same player Tony the Ice cream truck driver !
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Postby Reg » Fri Jan 30, 2009 11:53 am

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GYBS wrote:Rumours of Carra and Gerrard unhappy with rafa ? where are these rumours from ?

They warmed down away from the other players well 50 yards away from the team. Aldo said they where in deep conversation with each other and didnt look to pleased.

Rewind back to last seasons game against West Ham when he brought Lucas on instead of Crouch remember Gerrard and Carra fuming and shaking their heads at the crazy decision.

They are Liverpool fans as much as we are they can see his decisions are baffeling at times.

I think thats extremely significant Cigs and if Rafa doesnt start working in harmony with his two key characters (note the use of the words key characters, not players) then Rafa will start to isolate himself and once again there will be a swing of influence/power within the club. Sammy Lee has to step up to the plate and either convince the palyers, or the manager.
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Postby el_stinger » Fri Jan 30, 2009 11:54 am

milou wrote:This is not a thread to discuss who is right or wrong but a genuine attempt to analyze what is REALLY happening.. bcos let's face it, something is seriously brewing at the background that we dunno about.

With all the ongoing farces on and off-field (the ongoing take-over saga, rafa's rant on fergie, rafa's contract, rafa's comment about rick parry, "ill-treatment" of keane, gerrard's court case, rumours about Gerrard and Carra's unhappiness with Rafa.. just to name a few), does anyone really think these are all independent events and are not related to our bliiiip of form?

To me, it is blatantly obvious that they are all related in one way or another.

I picked up something quite significant from Rafa in the post-match interview after Wigan draw.. He said:

"The second half was a crazy game and when it is a crazy game you cannot control things."

"No I am disappointed with a number of things but no, the Wigan approach I will not talk about them"


What does he mean by "you can't control things"?
What is so crazy about the game? I saw the match and I can't see anything crazy about it. So he is obviously referring to something we CANNOT or NOT ALLOWED to see.

"It has happened in the last three games. They have something in common I don't like. I know why but I cannot say anything.

Something common in the last 3 matches (Everton, Everton, Wigan)? What is so common about the 3 matches since he fielded different line-up each time?
We know he can and will always say anything and everything about the match so if he says he cannot say, it must be something internal and sensitive.

"The players were okay. They were working very hard in the first half but the second half changed because it was crazy.

Does he mean the players don't work hard anymore in second half? Why? Or even if so, why can't he control it?

"I was talking with my players about what to do on the pitch but there are things that you cannot control."

This to me is the single most significant statement.. Was he implying he can't control the players and they don't listen to his instructions anymore?

I am just trying to make sense of everything that is happening thick and fast.. So this is my SPECULATION about our current situation:

There is an obvious "power struggle" between rafa, RP/H&G.. hence all the contract's talk in the press.. and it is related to Keane's "ill treatment" (it is hard to argue otherwise) bcos for some strange and unknown reason to us... Keane wasn't Rafa's choice.

The players are feeling the heat from the power struggle and our bliiiip and key players started to have disagreement with Rafa.. hence rumors about Gerrard & Carra's unhappiness with Rafa.

I will go ahead to even speculate that Gerrard's late substitution is related to him "not carrying out instructions". Let's face it, there is ABSOLUTELY NO OTHER explanation not to leave your best player/top scorer/miracle worker on the field for the last 7min if you are chasing a winner! Too tired to last 7min? Come on!

Is there a "mutiny" in the dressing room?

I hope I am totally wrong.. Or if Rafa can turn things around, we may never know what is really happening. But if results don't go our way in the next few weeks, I ask everyone to brace up for some shocking news that may include Rafa's resignation or sacking.

Sit tight and see how events will unfold.

Thoughts please...

I wake up in a panic every morning, and before I turn on the PC, I hope to God that Rafa hasn't been sacked or resigned, then when I see the news and everything is in its right place, and I can start the day happy that my team is still in the hunt. And not out of it by much.

This is the first season where I truly think something like this will happen. And it completely blows goats if it ever happens, because we are in a position we haven't been before in a very, very long time.

But that's what happens when there's such a power struggle between people up the top.

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Postby Sabre » Fri Jan 30, 2009 11:55 am

Yes, cases like that. In the case of Pennant already dealt with.

If one of the captains had problems with Rafa, I don't think he'd talk about the 90% of the squad.
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Postby GYBS » Fri Jan 30, 2009 11:58 am

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GYBS wrote:And are you feeling ok Mick ? you managed to post something that wasnt 28 paragraphs long - go on about mass rotation or gazelle effect etc etc etc ? something you ate or a bit tired  ???

Very perceptive mate I'm knackered tonight. I won me local poker tournament on Tuesday (first time victorious, 38 entries) and I think it took it out of me.

Don't mind me taking the p!ss, no offence intended.

Its ok mick - i got thick skin - like has been said at least no one can call you fickle as you stick to you opinion and your not someone who hides when things are going well (ie cause there is nothing to moan about ) and then when things dont go according to plan come running out from behind the covers to complain once again . A win against chelsea and so forth wouold also get them running once again would be nice to see  :;):
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Postby Ciggy » Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:04 pm

GYBS wrote:A win against chelsea and so forth wouold also get them running once again would be nice to see  :;):

Even though a win against Chelsea would be great but it is only papering over the cracks, we have already beaten them this season and look whats happened.

It means feck all if you can beat Chelsea and not score 1 single goal in 180 minutes against the likes of Stoke.

I dont doubt for 1 minute we cant beat Chelsea but draw against Portsmouth then we are back to square one.
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Postby GYBS » Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:10 pm

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GYBS wrote:A win against chelsea and so forth wouold also get them running once again would be nice to see  :;):

Even though a win against Chelsea would be great but it is only papering over the cracks, we have already beaten them this season and look whats happened.

It means feck all if you can beat Chelsea and not score 1 single goal in 180 minutes against the likes of Stoke.

I dont doubt for 1 minute we cant beat Chelsea but draw against Portsmouth then we are back to square one.

Hence why i said and so forth ciggy - ie we win against chelsea- get some confidence back and go on and win against pompey and then keep on building  on that until we play man utd and maybe just maybe we get a win there as well and who knows what will happen - of course its all a big if and means we have to improve our form 100% but who knows in football . Those things happen and watch views change at the drop of the hat ie fickle ( of course it doesnt apply to a fair number of people who have stuck to their views all the way through )
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Postby LegBarnes » Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:12 pm

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Ciggy wrote:
GYBS wrote:A win against chelsea and so forth wouold also get them running once again would be nice to see  :;):

Even though a win against Chelsea would be great but it is only papering over the cracks, we have already beaten them this season and look whats happened.

It means feck all if you can beat Chelsea and not score 1 single goal in 180 minutes against the likes of Stoke.

I dont doubt for 1 minute we cant beat Chelsea but draw against Portsmouth then we are back to square one.

Hence why i said and so forth ciggy - ie we win against chelsea- get some confidence back and go on and win against pompey and then keep on building  on that until we play man utd and maybe just maybe we get a win there as well and who knows what will happen - of course its all a big if and means we have to improve our form 100% but who knows in football . Those things happen and watch views change at the drop of the hat ie fickle ( of course it doesnt apply to a fair number of people who have stuck to their views all the way through )

IF we win vrs the chav's I doubt we have any more confidence , more like players be scratching there heads thinking wtf why couldn't we do this 4 weeks ago.
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Postby 112-1077774096 » Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:19 pm

two players are more likely to be speaking and listening to fans when they are out and about, two players who already have their opinion on the tactics and are not swayed by the beauts singing rafas name after another f*ck up, these are the only two players who live and breath LFC and these are the two players who time is running out for while negative tactics feck us up again.

Rafa has lost those two players imo and these players have the strength to influence other players and the owners. I think rafa has lost gerrard and carra
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Postby LegBarnes » Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:28 pm

peewee wrote:two players are more likely to be speaking and listening to fans when they are out and about, two players who already have their opinion on the tactics and are not swayed by the beauts singing rafas name after another f*ck up, these are the only two players who live and breath LFC and these are the two players who time is running out for while negative tactics feck us up again.

Rafa has lost those two players imo and these players have the strength to influence other players and the owners. I think rafa has lost gerrard and carra

If he has only thing raf has now is time till gets his ar.se booted.
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Postby GYBS » Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:30 pm

So to sum up then

Rafa has lost Carra and Gerrard
and he is trying to Engineer himself a move to Madrid ?

He is at fault when we loose or when a player makes a mistake but doesnt deserve credit when we win , that goes to the players  ?

Anything else ?
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Postby 112-1077774096 » Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:46 pm

GYBS wrote:So to sum up then

Rafa has lost Carra and Gerrard
and he is trying to Engineer himself a move to Madrid ?

He is at fault when we loose or when a player makes a mistake but doesnt deserve credit when we win , that goes to the players  ?

Anything else ?

yes i believe he has lost gerrard and carra, feel free to prove me wrong.

yes i believe he is trying to engineer a move, feel free to prove me wrong.

the rest of your comments about madrid and praise for winning, you need to ask the posters who raised those issues as I never raised them,

Anything else?
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Postby maypaxvobiscum » Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:52 pm

peewee wrote:
GYBS wrote:So to sum up then

Rafa has lost Carra and Gerrard
and he is trying to Engineer himself a move to Madrid ?

He is at fault when we loose or when a player makes a mistake but doesnt deserve credit when we win , that goes to the players  ?

Anything else ?

yes i believe he has lost gerrard and carra, feel free to prove me wrong.

yes i believe he is trying to engineer a move, feel free to prove me wrong.

the rest of your comments about madrid and praise for winning, you need to ask the posters who raised those issues as I never raised them,

Anything else?

dont bother Peewee. he'll respond by questioning the questionings as usual.  :;):
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Postby account deleted by request » Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:54 pm

maypaxvobiscum wrote:
peewee wrote:
GYBS wrote:So to sum up then

Rafa has lost Carra and Gerrard
and he is trying to Engineer himself a move to Madrid ?

He is at fault when we loose or when a player makes a mistake but doesnt deserve credit when we win , that goes to the players  ?

Anything else ?

yes i believe he has lost gerrard and carra, feel free to prove me wrong.

yes i believe he is trying to engineer a move, feel free to prove me wrong.

the rest of your comments about madrid and praise for winning, you need to ask the posters who raised those issues as I never raised them,

Anything else?

dont bother Peewee. he'll respond by questioning the questionings as usual.  :;):

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