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by **GYBS** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:41 pm

he cost 6 mil and he is 4th choice - forget how much he cost as these days people dont pay what players are worth - look at mikel - he was over 10 million .but he is no better than lucas . so what do you expect for a 4th choice cm who is 21 ? playing in one of the best international teams ?

by **Fowler_E7** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:44 pm

GYBS wrote:he cost 6 mil and he is 4th choice - forget how much he cost as these days people dont pay what players are worth - look at mikel - he was over 10 million .but he is no better than lucas . so what do you expect for a 4th choice cm who is 21 ? playing in one of the best international teams ?

excuse me Mikel no better than Lucas? i nearly chocked on my lunch

Lucas came here as the south american player of the year and the brazilian under 21 captain. Dunno bout you but i was expecting big things, he has been a huge disapointment and complete waste of money

by **GYBS** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:47 pm

Fowler_E7 wrote:
GYBS wrote:he cost 6 mil and he is 4th choice - forget how much he cost as these days people dont pay what players are worth - look at mikel - he was over 10 million .but he is no better than lucas . so what do you expect for a 4th choice cm who is 21 ? playing in one of the best international teams ?

excuse me Mikel no better than Lucas? i nearly chocked on my lunch Lucas came here as the south american player of the year and the brazilian under 21 captain. Dunno bout you but i was expecting big things, he has been a huge disapointment and complete waste of money

Yeah what exactly makes Mikel better than Lucas ?

and Lucas came here as Brazil League player of the year so it wasnt as if he was voted the best brazilian or anything like that so maybe you shouldnt of had your expectation so high then . and the guy is playing in the national squad now so he must be doing something right then .

by **Fowler_E7** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:58 pm

GYBS wrote:
Fowler_E7 wrote:
GYBS wrote:he cost 6 mil and he is 4th choice - forget how much he cost as these days people dont pay what players are worth - look at mikel - he was over 10 million .but he is no better than lucas . so what do you expect for a 4th choice cm who is 21 ? playing in one of the best international teams ?

excuse me Mikel no better than Lucas? i nearly chocked on my lunch Lucas came here as the south american player of the year and the brazilian under 21 captain. Dunno bout you but i was expecting big things, he has been a huge disapointment and complete waste of money

Yeah what exactly makes Mikel better than Lucas ?

and Lucas came here as Brazil League player of the year so it wasnt as if he was voted the best brazilian or anything like that so maybe you shouldnt of had your expectation so high then . and the guy is playing in the national squad now so he must be doing something right then .

he plays for national team so what? dossena is first choice for Italy at moment do you think he's good as well?

Lucas was voted brazilian player of the year an award that the likes of Tevez, Robhino, kaka and Romario have won in recent years, I think im entitled to expect a good player if he won that award and cost 6 mil at the age we bought him.

by **GYBS** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:01 pm

Fowler_E7 wrote:
GYBS wrote:
Fowler_E7 wrote:
GYBS wrote:he cost 6 mil and he is 4th choice - forget how much he cost as these days people dont pay what players are worth - look at mikel - he was over 10 million .but he is no better than lucas . so what do you expect for a 4th choice cm who is 21 ? playing in one of the best international teams ?

excuse me Mikel no better than Lucas? i nearly chocked on my lunch Lucas came here as the south american player of the year and the brazilian under 21 captain. Dunno bout you but i was expecting big things, he has been a huge disapointment and complete waste of money

Yeah what exactly makes Mikel better than Lucas ?

and Lucas came here as Brazil League player of the year so it wasnt as if he was voted the best brazilian or anything like that so maybe you shouldnt of had your expectation so high then . and the guy is playing in the national squad now so he must be doing something right then .

he plays for national team so what? dossena is first choice for Italy at moment do you think he's good as well?

Lucas was voted brazilian player of the year an award that the likes of Tevez, Robhino, kaka and Romario have won in recent years, I think im entitled to expect a good player if he won that award and cost 6 mil at the age we bought him.

then thats your own fault for your expectations then isnt it - not lucas fault . so what who won the award before lucas - was he up against them at the time for the award ? the people up for that award were players playing in brazil at the time not the top brazilian - hence why players from urguay and other south american countries hav won it before

by **Fowler_E7** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:24 pm

GYBS wrote:
Fowler_E7 wrote:
GYBS wrote:
Fowler_E7 wrote:
GYBS wrote:he cost 6 mil and he is 4th choice - forget how much he cost as these days people dont pay what players are worth - look at mikel - he was over 10 million .but he is no better than lucas . so what do you expect for a 4th choice cm who is 21 ? playing in one of the best international teams ?

excuse me Mikel no better than Lucas? i nearly chocked on my lunch Lucas came here as the south american player of the year and the brazilian under 21 captain. Dunno bout you but i was expecting big things, he has been a huge disapointment and complete waste of money

Yeah what exactly makes Mikel better than Lucas ?

and Lucas came here as Brazil League player of the year so it wasnt as if he was voted the best brazilian or anything like that so maybe you shouldnt of had your expectation so high then . and the guy is playing in the national squad now so he must be doing something right then .

he plays for national team so what? dossena is first choice for Italy at moment do you think he's good as well?

Lucas was voted brazilian player of the year an award that the likes of Tevez, Robhino, kaka and Romario have won in recent years, I think im entitled to expect a good player if he won that award and cost 6 mil at the age we bought him.

then thats your own fault for your expectations then isnt it - not lucas fault . so what who won the award before lucas - was he up against them at the time for the award ? the people up for that award were players playing in brazil at the time not the top brazilian - hence why players from urguay and other south american countries hav won it before

South America has produced some of the worlds finest talent sice the game has began other players who won the same award went to Europe and are some of the worlds best players. If lucas won an award that all those great players won then he shoud at least a good player, not the average one we got.

So your basically saying your happy with Lucas so far and he is was succesful signing?

by **we all dream...** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:56 pm

Fowler_E7 wrote:
GYBS wrote:
Fowler_E7 wrote:
GYBS wrote:
Fowler_E7 wrote:
GYBS wrote:he cost 6 mil and he is 4th choice - forget how much he cost as these days people dont pay what players are worth - look at mikel - he was over 10 million .but he is no better than lucas . so what do you expect for a 4th choice cm who is 21 ? playing in one of the best international teams ?

excuse me Mikel no better than Lucas? i nearly chocked on my lunch Lucas came here as the south american player of the year and the brazilian under 21 captain. Dunno bout you but i was expecting big things, he has been a huge disapointment and complete waste of money

Yeah what exactly makes Mikel better than Lucas ?

and Lucas came here as Brazil League player of the year so it wasnt as if he was voted the best brazilian or anything like that so maybe you shouldnt of had your expectation so high then . and the guy is playing in the national squad now so he must be doing something right then .

he plays for national team so what? dossena is first choice for Italy at moment do you think he's good as well?

Lucas was voted brazilian player of the year an award that the likes of Tevez, Robhino, kaka and Romario have won in recent years, I think im entitled to expect a good player if he won that award and cost 6 mil at the age we bought him.

then thats your own fault for your expectations then isnt it - not lucas fault . so what who won the award before lucas - was he up against them at the time for the award ? the people up for that award were players playing in brazil at the time not the top brazilian - hence why players from urguay and other south american countries hav won it before

South America has produced some of the worlds finest talent sice the game has began other players who won the same award went to Europe and are some of the worlds best players. If lucas won an award that all those great players won then he shoud at least a good player, not the average one we got.

So your basically saying your happy with Lucas so far and he is was succesful signing?

I would like to see some info on the top 5s 4th choice centre backs, midfielders and strikers. This may show we have lack a little of depth but im not complaining, we still look good. You cant expect to get signings for 20million who should automatically make an impact (torres, masch, keane) and also expect world class squad players we have to be shrude.

Lucas hasn't been the hit he COULD have been, but he has done well enough to please rafa and many fans so far. He isnt brillaint but I didnt expect him to be the finished article, hes improving which is what we should measure him on.

People need to be realistic, you cant buy a young dquad player and expect him to be class... if he was class he would have cost 17million and wouldnt be a squad player. Its about maximising the potential of these squad players and I think rafa is doing that well at the moment.

by **calkop** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:23 pm

We should be looking at Lucas and comparing him to the likes of Diaby at Arsenal, Anderson or Fletcher at the scum, Obi Mikel at Chelsea, and Sidwell at Villa.

Lucas is our 4th choice center mid, that is clear. He is not better than Stevie, masch or Alonso. Anderson is in his position at the scum. Carrick, Scholes and Hargreves are all ahead of him, but with Scholes getting older and Hargreves out so much this year he has got more playing time. He is just about the same age as Lucas and is the same nationality. In my mind Anderson might just be a little ahead of Lucas in terms of development, but he has also been playing in europe longer as he came to united from porto. But it is Lucas who has got the call for brazil and not anderson. That is made even more interesting considering Anderson cost united 16 million as a teenager!

Obi Mikel is in much the same boat. He is behind Lampard, Deco, Ballack and Essien! He cost 16 million! Lucas is for sure a step down from Mikel, but for 5 million pounds I will take him any day of the week.

We should be comparing him to the likes of Steve Sidwell or Diaby at Arsenal. I believe him to be a far superior player to either of those two and am totally satisfied with him for his age, newness to England and the European game as a whole, and what we paid for him. Some might of been expecting the next Kaka but we got a neat and tidy midfielder who will come good for very little money in the grand scheme of things.

Again, great game on tues. lad. Keep up the good work and dont listen to your doubters!

by **heimdall** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:50 pm

I judge him against good opposition, not PSV, and almost every time I have seen him play I have been disappointed, plus if he is 4th choice why is he starting so many matches these days? He has had plenty of minutes to impress and hasn't so far. I agree that not everyone can be a superstar player but the overall standard of the squad needs to improve if we are to sustain a realistic title challenge for a whole season.

by **JoeTerp** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:57 pm

heimdall wrote:I judge him against good opposition, not PSV, and almost every time I have seen him play I have been disappointed, plus if he is 4th choice why is he starting so many matches these days? He has had plenty of minutes to impress and hasn't so far. I agree that not everyone can be a superstar player but the overall standard of the squad needs to improve if we are to sustain a realistic title challenge for a whole season.

most of our games are not against good opposition, and when we do play good teams, we have players like Mascherano, who rise up to the occasion, yet he is a player that most would say would not be ideal for playing a bottom half of the table team at home in the premiership.

by **redbeergoggles** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:57 pm

Remember Lucas went the Olympics and was a main stay in the Brazil team ,and I was impressed with his overall performances albeit his sending off, which just shows his adversity in coming second best ,
They dont select you if your dross or inept, Brazil have a pool of world class young players yet Lucas held their team together and was everywhere in them games making tackles in defence while bossing the midfield ,so much energy .
Lucas is a great talent you only have to see how he transformed the reserves on the sparse appearances he made last year ,I think
there is huge potential in Lucas ,a great player waiting to breakout
I agree though he's finding life in the Prem tough ,but give the lad time this is a player Benitez was delighted to obtain .

by **LegBarnes** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:19 pm

hmmm I like way people throw the word class around like its the be all and end all.

Class is nothing to consistency and any player can have a class day but its hard to be class all the time even for the greats.

Few players have managed it in the prem due to the tempo we play at.

Its easy to look at these so called class players over seas and say he be great but many come and fail under the pace we play football over here.

Now consistency is hard for a young player to master its some thing that takes time to learn and experence often plays the biggest role in being consistent so how can someone expect a 21 year old to be consistent ?

Even ronaldo isn't class every game alot of time he is agv at best and just looks a fool.

To Sum up I would prefer A player to play 100% of his games at 8/10 then a player to be like a 10/10 every 10 games and 6/10 the rest of them.

Lucus is young to expect him to perform week in week out is outrageous and something to common in todays game.

by **Fo Dne** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:45 am

Danny Guthrie is twice the player Lucas will ever be or ever has been. Quite why we let him go and replaced him with this waster is beyond me and something only the fool in charge can explain.

Guthrie was on half the wages, came through the acadamy costing nothing and knows what the clubs about (I believe he's a local lad too?)...

We instead waste £7,000,000 on this pile of rubbish and sell a better player for £1,500,000. What a joke! Pathetic business sense! Whats even worse is they are the same type of player but Danny's twice as good. Joke of a decision.

by **Fo Dne** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:47 am

LegBarnes wrote:hmmm I like way people throw the word class around like its the be all and end all.

Class is nothing to consistency and any player can have a class day but its hard to be class all the time even for the greats.

Few players have managed it in the prem due to the tempo we play at.

Its easy to look at these so called class players over seas and say he be great but many come and fail under the pace we play football over here.

Now consistency is hard for a young player to master its some thing that takes time to learn and experence often plays the biggest role in being consistent so how can someone expect a 21 year old to be consistent ?

Even ronaldo isn't class every game alot of time he is agv at best and just looks a fool.

To Sum up I would prefer A player to play 100% of his games at 8/10 then a player to be like a 10/10 every 10 games and 6/10 the rest of them.

Lucus is young to expect him to perform week in week out is outrageous and something to common in todays game.

Ronaldo looks like a fool? Listen lad, I don't believe he's as good as made out, but he is a world class player and would walk into most sides.

But for you to sit there and say that, then defend Lucas is beyond belief. You don't have a clue about football what so ever mate. Give it a rest now and go and take up and watch another sport.

by **Rush Job** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:54 am

Ive always seen talent in him he just seem to play within his self to much and seems to feel the presure at anfield at times, We saw close to his natural game and the way he played at the olympics on tuesday night though and was many peoples motm, helping us to a great result without the help of our two best players and I think for young player as well that shows good character considering the stick he's been getting from the boo boys.
He's a much better player when he's given the ball further up the park rather than when he's asked to play a deeper more holding role, then all you get off him is six yard sideways passes.
Stepping in when SG is having a rest is probably the best use of him right now though and it lets him play his natural game.

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