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by **JC_81** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:30 pm

s@int wrote:
woof woof ! wrote:Almost four years in and Pennant is so far the best that Rafa has been able to come up with in terms of solving our right "wing" problem . On the left after the Gonzalez debacle he seemed to have pinned his hopes on a rejuvenated Kewell , waste of time.

Does it really take over four years to sort out two positions ?

I still haven't given up on Kewell, a player needs time coming back from such a catalogue of injuries. If by the summer he hasn't shown anything we should get shut , but I think given the opportunity he will get better(playing wise)and no doubt will be on top form and fit to start in the CL FINAL.( finishing the game might be another matter )

His body's fu.cked s@int. Really talented player but he's now had 4 and a half years to get properly fit. How much longer do we give him?

It's not his fault but I think we need to face facts and say he's not up to playing professional football at this level on a consistent basis any more. Even if he stays fit til the end of the season the absolute maximum I'd offer him is a pay-as-you-play deal, which I can't see him accepting because someone like Portsmouth or Bolton will offer him a contract for a couple of years.

Harry Kewell is probably this club's biggest ever waste of money in hindsight. He cost us 5 million, then a reported 3 million a year in wages over 5 years. That'll be 20 million by the end of this season! Yet having said that, I don't blame the club for the deal, 5 years ago I thought that was a bargain and we were getting a top, top player. We've just been really unlucky with him.

by **Big Niall** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:39 pm

I know you can't help being injured but I also think that he lacks desire. He doesn't seem to be mentally hurt and seems happy to appear on cribs and show off all his money, his wife's comments on some reality tv show, showed he doesn't really care about the game - never watches it on t.v etc, she said he has an easy life, didn't sound like somebody busting a gut to get fit and really down when he is not in the team.

by **JC_81** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:02 pm

Big Niall wrote:I know you can't help being injured but I also think that he lacks desire. He doesn't seem to be mentally hurt and seems happy to appear on cribs and show off all his money, his wife's comments on some reality tv show, showed he doesn't really care about the game - never watches it on t.v etc, she said he has an easy life, didn't sound like somebody busting a gut to get fit and really down when he is not in the team.

Pretty hard to 'bust a gut to get fit' when you're on crutches mate.

How do you know he doesn't have the desire to get fit? You watch him in the gymn?

It irritates me when fans go on about him not having the desire to get fit and playing. Where's the evidence? As far as I can tell he's come back from some very serious injuries and that shows desire in itself.

And what the fu.ck does 'cribs' or his wife have to do with it? Nothing. How do either of those things suggest he has a lack of desire to get fit and playing for LFC? They don't.

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:07 pm

john craig wrote:
s@int wrote:
woof woof ! wrote:Almost four years in and Pennant is so far the best that Rafa has been able to come up with in terms of solving our right "wing" problem . On the left after the Gonzalez debacle he seemed to have pinned his hopes on a rejuvenated Kewell , waste of time.

Does it really take over four years to sort out two positions ?

I still haven't given up on Kewell, a player needs time coming back from such a catalogue of injuries. If by the summer he hasn't shown anything we should get shut , but I think given the opportunity he will get better(playing wise)and no doubt will be on top form and fit to start in the CL FINAL.( finishing the game might be another matter )

His body's fu.cked s@int. Really talented player but he's now had 4 and a half years to get properly fit. How much longer do we give him?

It's not his fault but I think we need to face facts and say he's not up to playing professional football at this level on a consistent basis any more. Even if he stays fit til the end of the season the absolute maximum I'd offer him is a pay-as-you-play deal, which I can't see him accepting because someone like Portsmouth or Bolton will offer him a contract for a couple of years.

Harry Kewell is probably this club's biggest ever waste of money in hindsight. He cost us 5 million, then a reported 3 million a year in wages over 5 years. That'll be 20 million by the end of this season! Yet having said that, I don't blame the club for the deal, 5 years ago I thought that was a bargain and we were getting a top, top player. We've just been really unlucky with him.

At the time when we bought him we had been interested in Damien Duff for some while, so I thought when we got Kewell it was a fantastic deal as I had always rated Kewell higher. Chelsea paid £18million for Duff and we got Kewell for about £5million all in. Should have been the bargain of the decade

Like I say I still haven't given up hope yet though. I just think he is a bit hesitant about taking a full blooded tackle at the moment, once he regains his confidence I think we will see a big improvement, although I think the "Leeds" Kewell has gone for good.

by **Big Niall** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:35 pm

If the leeds kewell is gone for good, why should LFC play a lesser version?

by **Big Niall** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:39 pm

john craig wrote:
Big Niall wrote:I know you can't help being injured but I also think that he lacks desire. He doesn't seem to be mentally hurt and seems happy to appear on cribs and show off all his money, his wife's comments on some reality tv show, showed he doesn't really care about the game - never watches it on t.v etc, she said he has an easy life, didn't sound like somebody busting a gut to get fit and really down when he is not in the team.

Pretty hard to 'bust a gut to get fit' when you're on crutches mate.

How do you know he doesn't have the desire to get fit? You watch him in the gymn?

It irritates me when fans go on about him not having the desire to get fit and playing. Where's the evidence? As far as I can tell he's come back from some very serious injuries and that shows desire in itself.

And what the fu.ck does 'cribs' or his wife have to do with it? Nothing. How do either of those things suggest he has a lack of desire to get fit and playing for LFC? They don't.

His wife said that he doesn't even watch football. Do you think if Carragher was injured that he wouldn't watch football on T.V?

Anyone who loves the sport would, a pro should be doing so to see if he can learn from others.

If you aren't fit enough to play, you shouldn't be walking up and down stairs with TV crews to show off your house.

by **JC_81** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:45 pm

Big Niall wrote:
john craig wrote:
Big Niall wrote:I know you can't help being injured but I also think that he lacks desire. He doesn't seem to be mentally hurt and seems happy to appear on cribs and show off all his money, his wife's comments on some reality tv show, showed he doesn't really care about the game - never watches it on t.v etc, she said he has an easy life, didn't sound like somebody busting a gut to get fit and really down when he is not in the team.

Pretty hard to 'bust a gut to get fit' when you're on crutches mate.

How do you know he doesn't have the desire to get fit? You watch him in the gymn?

It irritates me when fans go on about him not having the desire to get fit and playing. Where's the evidence? As far as I can tell he's come back from some very serious injuries and that shows desire in itself.

And what the fu.ck does 'cribs' or his wife have to do with it? Nothing. How do either of those things suggest he has a lack of desire to get fit and playing for LFC? They don't.

His wife said that he doesn't even watch football. Do you think if Carragher was injured that he wouldn't watch football on T.V?

Anyone who loves the sport would, a pro should be doing so to see if he can learn from others.

If you aren't fit enough to play, you shouldn't be walking up and down stairs with TV crews to show off your house.

If you think that a throwaway comment by his wife is a better indicator of Kewell's desire to play than the fact that he's come back to play Premiership and Champions League football after at least 2 or 3 career threatening injuries, then that's entirely up to you.

And the ability to walk up and down stairs with a camera crew hardly equates to the physical demands of Premiership football, does it? Get a grip mate.

by **JoeTerp** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:03 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:
JoeTerp wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
JoeTerp wrote:Babel is a natural striker and should be moved over there

How do you know this ?

in his first couple of interviews all he kept talking about was that he is a natural striker and that he likes to play up top

Not seen them, interesting that as I have long thought he would make an ideal foil for Torres, although I would prefer the crestive second striker.

Babel Interview

its around the 2:30 mark

by **ClONMEL_RED** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:13 pm

John -god bless , u don't half talk boll--ock , give it a rest.......u're actually a bit of an embarrasment now, reading over your topic starters and posts!

by **JoeTerp** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:24 pm

First of all saint I have and will stick with my belief that pennant is a better Right midfielder for LFC than Riise, Babel, or Kewell are Left midfielders for LFC. However, that would just be a back and forth debate forever and not get anywhere.

So I tried to bring up other reasons why it would be more beneficial for the team if we brought in a player of the Torres calibre top shelf for the Left Midfield position rather than the right, given the fact that we have limited funds, both see the necessity of a creative second striker and both agree it would be more benificial to buy less players of higher quality.

Becuase I say pennant is better and you say he isn't, we might as well just assume that they are equal, and then move forward with the discussion.

And by the way I never suggested lucas play LM, that lineup was supposed to be
Gerrard Masch Lucas Silva (or whoever you like) OR
Pennant Gerrard Masch Silva (or whoever you like) as opposed to
(RM of choice) Gerrard Masch (rotation of Babel/Kewell/Riise)

For me its a no brainer, the left side is the bigger need

Playing Gerrard on the right would not be upsetting our best player for no reason, it would be making the starting XI stronger which I am sure he would be in favor of. I am sure if you ask Gerrard he would want a top quality RM so that it wouldn't even be a question of where he plays. He scored 23 goals a few years ago when he was mostly deployed on the right. Stevie cares about the team winning and at the end of the day will do whatever is required for that to happen. And although I don't think that Pennant is better than Gerrard on the wing, I still think that he is better than anything we have on the left, heck, he might even be better on the left than Riise, Kewell, or Babel

by **account deleted by request** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:07 am

1/ Gerrard doesn't like playing Right midfield
2/ Gerrard and Masch have a great partnership so why break it up?
3/ Kewell has hardly played this season yet has 4 assists, Pennant who has played more games has 2
4/ Babel has 7 goals and 3 assists, Even Riise who has been playing fullback has 2 assists.
5/ we can sell Pennant for about £5million, Kewell is almost out of contract so we would get nothing for him, so sell Pennant and get a world class Right winger winger..... than you can still ruin Gerrards form by playing him out of position when the new winger is injured or needs a rest.

Pennant is and never will be good enough for a Title challenging team. Kewell, Babel and Riise might be.

by **LFC2007** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:11 am

I'd far sooner see the back of Kewell before Pennant.

Riise, well, he needs to up his game significantly or he'll be gone.

A solution to our left side is imperative, a solution to the right, not so much so.

by **redtrader74** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:21 am

The question of Pennants quality is frustrating, on one hand he DOES put balls in, and TBPH they are ok, but we never ever have enough bodies attacking the ball in the box, infact i'd go as far as saying that as a team we are one of the worst in the prem at doing it, especially if Hyypia's not playing. So in some ways his crosses can look bad not because of him, but because of his teamates. On the other hand every time i have watched him live he has been a lazy bast@rd, he rarely moves that 2-3 yds to make himself available and make an angle for a pass, thereby increasing pressure on his teamate, usually the fullback. On the ball he does a bit, off it he does not, and as part of the forward line his goalscoring is abysmal, a decent winger who plays 30 games a season should weigh in with 6+ goals.

Having also seen the idiot in a bar, and the way he acted, with a load of hangers on, i come to the conclusion he is just plain thick. Lack of money and Kewells body being made from balsa wood may mean that the logical conclusion being a left winger will be bought before a right winger, unless ofcourse the replacement can be bought at a price similar to what we could get for Pennant.

by **LFC2007** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:25 am

redtrader74 wrote:Having also seen the idiot in a bar, and the way he acted, with a load of hangers on, i come to the conclusion he is just plain thick.

You're mistaking him for GBJH.

by **redtrader74** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:26 am

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