My indictment of the rafa benitez regime

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Postby Ciggy » Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:05 pm

Redman in wales wrote:I suppose the question is WILL he change? People on this board have been saying for ages to drop the rotation system and buy some quality on the wings, but we've yet to see it.

If he will change his beliefs, stop rotation, and buy some quality on the flanks i think most people on here would love to see him still here.... but that's the rub... will he change??

This is the problem I dont think he will, if he did Id love him to stay, but I cant see it happening he is to stubborn :D
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Postby bigmick » Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:06 pm

JBG was the best moderator this forum ever had, and he knows his onions about football too. That (the topic starter) is a fantastic post fella, and there's barely a word of it which I disagree with.
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Postby NANNY RED » Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:14 pm

destro wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:Do yer know what id like to find out how many of the Get Raffa out brigade actualy go the match cause unless im going :censored: deaf thats not what im hearing week in week out

That will be your age Nanny, its one of the first things to go  :rasp

Seriously though, its a good point maybe the "Pro Rafa" brigade drown the chants out with their support for him, and as the recent events and demonstrations of the past few weeks will tell you Liverpool fans certainly make it clear when they are not happy

First Lakes says im going senile and now you deaf i must be cause when im at the games home or away i cant hear no one singin anything but Raffa Benitez and im positive its just not one little group by me. :D I mean i see peoples mouth movin in the stands aswell as the kop or am i seeing thing now . Nah i dont think so

So come on Rock run your poll again How many match goin fans want Raffa out i think youll get a different view mate
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Postby Scottbot » Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:18 pm

NANNY RED wrote:So come on Rock run your poll again How many match goin fans want Raffa out i think youll get a different view mate

Not sure i qualify as a full-on match going fan, been to 4 this season plus got me tickets for Inter and Boro in a couple of weeks. But if i do you can put me in the 'see how things lie at the end of the season' camp.
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Postby bigmick » Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:22 pm

BTW I think we should be looking for a change at the end of the season. This applies regardless to how we perform in the FA Cup and the Champions League. I don't personally think we'll win either but thats my position anyway. As for a replacement, if he's still available and he'll come, Mourinho is the absolutely outstanding candidate. If not, somebody else.
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Postby god_bless_john_houlding » Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:25 pm

NANNY RED wrote:
destro wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:Do yer know what id like to find out how many of the Get Raffa out brigade actualy go the match cause unless im going :censored: deaf thats not what im hearing week in week out

That will be your age Nanny, its one of the first things to go  :rasp

Seriously though, its a good point maybe the "Pro Rafa" brigade drown the chants out with their support for him, and as the recent events and demonstrations of the past few weeks will tell you Liverpool fans certainly make it clear when they are not happy

First Lakes says im going senile and now you deaf i must be cause when im at the games home or away i cant hear no one singin anything but Raffa Benitez and im positive its just not one little group by me. :D I mean i see peoples mouth movin in the stands aswell as the kop or am i seeing thing now . Nah i dont think so

So come on Rock run your poll again How many match goin fans want Raffa out i think youll get a different view mate

I am on the campaign for Benitez to go, plain and simple because I feel he CAN'T win us the league. But whilst at the ground and whilst he's the manager of OUR club I'll support him to the hault.

As for people thinking it's only lovers who sing his name at the ground. Don't be so stupid. I sing his name because he's our manager. We have to back him to get it right, whether we doubt it or not.
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Postby NANNY RED » Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:42 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:
destro wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:Do yer know what id like to find out how many of the Get Raffa out brigade actualy go the match cause unless im going :censored: deaf thats not what im hearing week in week out

That will be your age Nanny, its one of the first things to go  :rasp

Seriously though, its a good point maybe the "Pro Rafa" brigade drown the chants out with their support for him, and as the recent events and demonstrations of the past few weeks will tell you Liverpool fans certainly make it clear when they are not happy

First Lakes says im going senile and now you deaf i must be cause when im at the games home or away i cant hear no one singin anything but Raffa Benitez and im positive its just not one little group by me. :D I mean i see peoples mouth movin in the stands aswell as the kop or am i seeing thing now . Nah i dont think so

So come on Rock run your poll again How many match goin fans want Raffa out i think youll get a different view mate

I am on the campaign for Benitez to go, plain and simple because I feel he CAN'T win us the league. But whilst at the ground and whilst he's the manager of OUR club I'll support him to the hault.

As for people thinking it's only lovers who sing his name at the ground. Don't be so stupid. I sing his name because he's our manager. We have to back him to get it right, whether we doubt it or not.

Im not going on about its only lovers who sing his name at the ground of couse i wouldnt be that nieve to think everyone loves Raffa but you must admit hes still got most of the fans backing i dont think most of them are just singing his name because hes our manager there singing it because they still believe he has something to offer . But thats my personal opinion

Time will tell on this one anyway come the end of the season and if theres nothing to show then you will most proberbly see and hear the tide turn.
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Postby god_bless_john_houlding » Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:01 pm

NANNY RED wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:
destro wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:Do yer know what id like to find out how many of the Get Raffa out brigade actualy go the match cause unless im going :censored: deaf thats not what im hearing week in week out

That will be your age Nanny, its one of the first things to go  :rasp

Seriously though, its a good point maybe the "Pro Rafa" brigade drown the chants out with their support for him, and as the recent events and demonstrations of the past few weeks will tell you Liverpool fans certainly make it clear when they are not happy

First Lakes says im going senile and now you deaf i must be cause when im at the games home or away i cant hear no one singin anything but Raffa Benitez and im positive its just not one little group by me. :D I mean i see peoples mouth movin in the stands aswell as the kop or am i seeing thing now . Nah i dont think so

So come on Rock run your poll again How many match goin fans want Raffa out i think youll get a different view mate

I am on the campaign for Benitez to go, plain and simple because I feel he CAN'T win us the league. But whilst at the ground and whilst he's the manager of OUR club I'll support him to the hault.

As for people thinking it's only lovers who sing his name at the ground. Don't be so stupid. I sing his name because he's our manager. We have to back him to get it right, whether we doubt it or not.

Im not going on about its only lovers who sing his name at the ground of couse i wouldnt be that nieve to think everyone loves Raffa but you must admit hes still got most of the fans backing i dont think most of them are just singing his name because hes our manager there singing it because they still believe he has something to offer . But thats my personal opinion

Time will tell on this one anyway come the end of the season and if theres nothing to show then you will most proberbly see and hear the tide turn.

I agree alot of the fans still back him, I back him, but don't feel he can win us the league which is why I'd like a new manager in charge of the club, and I think that's how many of the fans feel.
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4) If Torres has scored 60 league goals for Liverpool by the start of the 2011/12 season, I'll say he's better than Owen.
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Postby NANNY RED » Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:19 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:I agree alot of the fans still back him, I back him, but don't feel he can win us the league which is why I'd like a new manager in charge of the club, and I think that's how many of the fans feel.

Alls i was trying to say John was i think there might have been a different outcome to the poll which Rock put up if hed have asked match going fans weather they supported Raffa or not
Im my view i think there would be but you never know ive been wrong before :D
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Postby JoeTerp » Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:19 pm

Rafa deserves one more year, who knows this could be one of those 2 steps back so we can take 4 steps forward type years, based on two years ago, not many thought that United would have the horses to challenge thinking they were too old and that ronaldo was too much of a ball hog but he became one of the worlds best and the experience of the squad helped them stay consistent.  I do not think it would be fair to Rafa or the club to sack him after this season. I know he has two years left on his contract, but I would only give him one and then either give him a 2 year extension or fire him after next season.  A club of limited resources will never go anywhere if it is constantly a mixed bag of different manager's visions.  This is probably the first year you can say this is Rafa's team I know there are some inherited players but certainly he has had plenty of time to decide that he wants to keep them.  Stability will pay off much more in the long run, so in my opinion the club has a lot more to loose by sacking rafa, then they do by not.
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Postby god_bless_john_houlding » Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:35 pm

NANNY RED wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:I agree alot of the fans still back him, I back him, but don't feel he can win us the league which is why I'd like a new manager in charge of the club, and I think that's how many of the fans feel.

Alls i was trying to say John was i think there might have been a different outcome to the poll which Rock put up if hed have asked match going fans weather they supported Raffa or not
Im my view i think there would be but you never know ive been wrong before :D

I am a match goer and have been for a bloody long time now, and again I can't stress this enough, I'll back Benitez while he's in charge, BUT I don't have a great deal of faith in him delivering, which is why I'd like a new manager in. Sooner rather than later.
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Postby metalhead » Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:41 pm

btw, is Marcelo Lippi available?

if he is, then he is a better choice than mourinho, quality coach.
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Postby god_bless_john_houlding » Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:44 pm

JoeTerp wrote:Rafa deserves one more year, who knows this could be one of those 2 steps back so we can take 4 steps forward type years, based on two years ago, not many thought that United would have the horses to challenge thinking they were too old and that ronaldo was too much of a ball hog but he became one of the worlds best and the experience of the squad helped them stay consistent.  I do not think it would be fair to Rafa or the club to sack him after this season. I know he has two years left on his contract, but I would only give him one and then either give him a 2 year extension or fire him after next season.  A club of limited resources will never go anywhere if it is constantly a mixed bag of different manager's visions.  This is probably the first year you can say this is Rafa's team I know there are some inherited players but certainly he has had plenty of time to decide that he wants to keep them.  Stability will pay off much more in the long run, so in my opinion the club has a lot more to loose by sacking rafa, then they do by not.

limited resources? only now is it rafa's side? give him another year?

can't agree with any of this.

1) limited resources, nearly 150 million in just over 3 years is an open cheque book near enough. 50 million a season, is more than enough to compete.

2) only now is it rafa's side, that may be because from his 1st season, only 1 of his signings (alonso) is still at the club. he's brought far to many useless players who he has then sold on because they're not good enough. but surely last season was his side as well. take our squad from last year (rafa's men in caps)--REINA, finnan, carra, AGGER, AURELLIO, gerrard, ALONSO, SISSOKO, GONZALEZ, KUYT, BELLAMY, on the bench: CARSON, riise, sami, kewell, CROUCH so in that squad 10 of the players were Benitez's signings. Surely that was his squad also. There are of course players who haven't been mentioned like ZENDEN, FOWLER, MASCHERANHO.

3) one more year, IF we give him 1 more year, then I expect it to be no different, UNLESS this year turns out to be a complete and utter failure. In other words, we don't qualify for Europe at all next season, which may be a blessing is disguise because then we would have to concentrate solely on the league. So unlike others I feel not qualifying for Europe next season could be better for Benitez than us actually going on to win the European Cup this season.
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3) FIRST WILL ALWAYS BE FIRST AND SECOND WILL ALWAYS BE NOTHING.
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Postby metalhead » Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:14 pm

Forgot to mention, the one thing I would be looking forward, if Mourinho ever replaces rafa, that he would take a dig out of the mancs  :D
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Postby redhayesy » Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:49 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:Excellent post JBG , but not one i agree with i'm afraid , i'm defo still with rafa. All i can say is the man has given me some of the best moments in my life  and i'm not prepared to let him be sacked . Thanks for the memories rafa lad ,but you've been sh!te this season so of you pop . It's definately a personal thing though , i wouldn;t slag anyone off who wants the best for the club , it's just we don't agree on what's best . I think rafa with the right funds and support from the board would bring us the league ,i'm prepared to give him more time whilst others are not . Fair enouh i suppose . One thing i hope and pray for though is that it's all done at the end of the season ,if he hasn't walked by then (which i think he will ). So everyone can start afresh .

feckin spot on mate, best reply i"v seen- raffa has given
me some of the best moments, memories in the 30+ years
i"v supported & loved our club & to read some of the
comments on hear makes me feel sick!!
but it"s all about opinions, but it makes me sad to read sh1t
from people who have no idea about our history,& what
we have had to overcome time over again to maintain
we are the best supporters in the land to stick with
the good times & the bad see it through together
& i sincerly hope raffa is shown the respect he deserves
& is given this by being able to see his contract out.
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