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[Thinkpad]

Funny how some of the stuff said are very similar to mine. Guess it is inside us all this while, just whether we have decided enough is enough.

Rafa has to go because players no longer believe he can bring them the PL anymore. I think that are confused and angry with the rotation system. The current "disagreement" between players and manager highlighted this. Some players will take things in their own hands on the field and do what they think is right. If Rafa goes, stability can be establish in Liverpool once again. Without doubt, only good things can come out of such stability.

Anyway, to be honest I don't think Mourinho would be the best person for us. Our best bet is still with Gus Hiddick in my opinion. With the right backing from the owners he would transform us to a physically strong and fast flowing team.

[Number 9]

21 - 10

Time for a change of manager
1)Rock - Mourinho
2)Pewee -
3)Heimdall - Pako or King Kenny but seriously mourinho
4)Bamaga - Hiddink
5)Lynds = ciggy - she hates mourinho so i am not sure....
6)JBG - Mourinho
7)puroresu - Mourinho or Van Basten
8)BigMick - i think he mentioned mourinho
9)Dav -
10)Lakes -
11)Little Hobo - Mourinho
12)Sarge -
13)Penguins - King Kenny or Mark Hughes
14)club_Levis -
15)teamleader1 -
16)Rockthekop - Mourinho
17)slickrick - mourinho
18)tommycockles -
19)parchpea -
20)god_bless_john_houlding - Martin Jol
21)JohnBull -


Rafa to stay until end of his contract.
1)Lando
2)Sabre
3)burjennio
4)Igor Zidane
5)Dundalk
6)Zi-Dan Agger

Rafa to stay as manager for next season:
1)LFC2007
2)ruskiy playmaker
3)metalhead
4)babu

Uncertain
1)Saint - Mounrinho

Hey Rock!
I appreciate you want Raffa out and thats OK and you are entitled to form a little league table if you wish!

But posting
Above as if you are enjoying it like some kind of childish game is just fuc.king wrong!

I cant see any victor here,there is no personal satisfaction to be obtained by anyone should Rafa leave,there is no glory to be had in an 'i told you so' if he goes.

You seem to be enjoying it or almost celebrating.
People are not happy that they feel he has had his time.

Its fu.cking sad that we are even discusing it although thats the stage we are at!

Do me and yourself a favour,if you are to keep up with your childish little witchunt.
Can you please cut out the fun factor and stop coming across as if its a great day?
Do it with a bit of compassion and respect for LFC as a whole and Rafa,regardless of how you personally feel about either!

[Ciggy]

Lets wait till Rafa has gone before electing the next manager hey?

[god_bless_john_houlding]

Mourniho would be a bad choice as I've already stated, he is everything this club isn't. Arrogant, flash and disrespectful. This club is plain and simple and we treat everyone with respect, whether we like them or not. He'd bring Liverpool down. Give the job to Jol with his *dutch accent* "shexy football"

[account deleted by request]

If they can't communicate with Rafa effectively, what is there to suggest they'd be able to communicate effectively with one of the most abrupt men in football?

Rafa hardly has a reputation for being easy to deal with. He has had bust ups with various members of staff, owners etc etc

Bust ups?

Disagreements on how to move forward, and in most of those scenarios I can't see how he's acted improperly to any great extent.

At Valencia he left because of a lack of support from the top, he felt it would be difficult to make any real progression without this support.

Here, he disagreed with Pako on footballing issues, on how to move forward. Pako left - staff come and go in football, nothing unusual there.

Here, his owners sh@t on him, and couldn't communicate with him. Where were they? In America. Rafa's been here all the time, he's not once objected to speaking with them.

Mourinho is very abrupt in the press, I've no doubt that had the owners stayed away as much as they have done with Rafa, I imagine he wouldn't have tolerated it. Had he got wind of the Klinsmann meeting do you think he'd keep it all hush hush in the press?

I don't, and I think my point remains valid.

Here, he disagreed with Pako on footballing issues, on how to move forward. Pako left - staff come and go in football, nothing unusual there.

Nothing unusual  , I suppose there was nothing unusual about Steve Heighway leaving after winning the youth cup either, or our goalkeeping coach leaving.

Nothing unusual about him falling out with the bosses at Valencia,nothing unusual about him falling out with Rick Parry, nothing unusual about him falling out with his American boss's in the summer or again in the Autumn.

Thats exactly my point ..... theres nothing unusual about Rafa falling out with people.   

[jedwards]

Your analysis of the ill fated regime under Benitez is spot on, and I may add that Benitez is an awful judge of players, and he apply a method of try & error to see if they fit to his weird system of play, of playing a wrong player for the wrong position!!.

Our football at LFC had declined over the past ten years or so, we are not playing the kind of football we used to play in 80's and 90's, taking in consideration the changes that had affected our modern game at present time, and also we were producing young talents then, and not now. Our new policy had changed under Houllier to Benitez, buy at all cost with top money and offer top wages for the most weird and average players I have ever seen to come to LFC!!.

I agree the time has come for a change, I don't mind to see Mourinho may be for a short term to stabilize the current squad and improve our attacking game, because our current style of play is very negative, and to many aimless long balls, and no end products at all, however, I would like to see some of old Liverpool players, who are find their way in managerial education to come in at a later stage and take over this top spot of management.

[god_bless_john_houlding]

Benitez is stubborn and arrogant which is why he falls out with so many people. It's his way or no way and the problem is his way isn't working.

[redtrader74]

It seems that everyone advocating the dismissal of Rafa thinks that to progress from also rans to overhauling ManU, Chelsea and Arsenal in the short term (1-3 years) is an easy task, which 'with all the money we've spent' we should have achieved by now, Bollox. We are in terms of stadium and finances on par with Villa, Spurs, Newcastle etc. would you expect them to win the League? let alone the CL.

We do not have a divine right to win the title, and the task at hand is fking hard due to years and years of malaise, this is not a dig just at previous management, but the board, who failed to take advantage of our fanbase and success.

The quick fix of Mourinho is the only person i think who could have an immediate effect, but he aint coming, NOT A CHANCE. Why the hell would he? There are better jobs out there, with more chance of success.

Basically from the list most want Mourinho, well as he won't be coming, what are your other options? Wouldn't be a good idea to hang your hat on one option like Rafa with Hienze, then you'd be useless fcks aswell

Stick me on the at least one more year.

BTW nice post JBG, i don't agree with it all, but at least you put your point across without abusing the manager and by recognising his successes aswell.

[redtrader74]

Benitez is stubborn and arrogant which is why he falls out with so many people. It's his way or no way and the problem is his way isn't working.

You mean like Ferguson, Clough, Mourinho???

Something that would have been lauded as a positive is now being used to beat Rafa with. Whats new?

[JBG]

We certainly do look to be going backwards this season BUT as others have alluded to, what will be our reaction if "Rafa's regime" lifts the CL trophy and the FA cup this season ? Perhaps some will say it's just papering over the cracks ? .

That's a very big "if", Woof.

It is certainly not beyond Rafa to perform some magic in the cup competitions this season, indeed I wouldn't discount it.

Another Champions League victory would be miraculous and of course would demand a re-evaluation of people's opinion on Rafa but the reality is that such a coup is remote and unlikely to happen.

An FA Cup win is a firm possibility but, yes, would amount to papering over the cracks.

[god_bless_john_houlding]

Benitez is stubborn and arrogant which is why he falls out with so many people. It's his way or no way and the problem is his way isn't working.

You mean like Ferguson, Clough, Mourinho???

Something that would have been lauded as a positive is now being used to beat Rafa with. Whats new?

yes like those 3, but the difference with those 3 is they were able to win the league. Benitez isn't and those 3 weren't stubborn enough to change losing ways. Look at Mourinho in the cup last year, they were getting beat after 27 mins brought off the two wingers. Ferguson constantly changes anything that's going wrong. And Clough was the same. Benitez refuses to change, that's my point and it's the inability to change a losing formula which is why we WON'T win the league under him.

[LFC2007]

Nothing unusual  , I suppose there was nothing unusual about Steve Heighway leaving after winning the youth cup either, or our goalkeeping coach leaving.

Nothing unusual about him falling out with the bosses at Valencia,nothing unusual about him falling out with Rick Parry, nothing unusual about him falling out with his American boss's in the summer or again in the Autumn.

Thats exactly my point ..... theres nothing unusual about Rafa falling out with people.   

If you want to address THE POINT rather than trying to take the piss as you've done with Lando, fine.

Until then, my point which was actually about how Mourinho would have handled the situation with our owners, and any future f*cking about that might occur, stands and is valid. If you read my original post again, that will be clear.

I could quite conceivably rattle off a list of those people Mourinho f*cked off, or has had disagreements with, if I had the time or care to.

Mourinho's left two jobs because of disagreements with owners for example, that's more pertinent than Rafa's disagreement with a goalkeeping coach.

I could probably rattle off a list of those who Ferguson's supposedly f*cked off, or had disagreements with.

Every top manager has disagreements, and quite a few at that. Rafa is no exception.

That, however, was not the original point, and I don't have time for silly little f*cking about posts like that.

Mourinho is an abrupt person, and I certainly don't believe he would have tolerated the f*cking about that our owners have exemplified in recent times. Rafa has been very tolerant of our owners, Mourinho appears to me to be the type of character who may have left because of the level of their incompetence, had he been our manager. I don't think the situation as it stands wouldn't appeal to him because of this.

[heimdall]

OK Still waiting for answers to my questions, I guess you pro Rafa guys can't explain why he plays Kuyt any more than I can 

BTW The reason I mentioned that I've wanted Rafa out for the last year was not to gloat it was meant as a bit of humour because I wasn't included in the original list of pro/anti. Some of you guys really need a sense of humour.

BTW I hardly find it surprising that someone who adores Igor Biscan, a no talent waste of space, also supports Rafa, but I guess you must be nobility since you call me a pleb or do you maybe not know what the word means 

[heimdall]

Nothing unusual  , I suppose there was nothing unusual about Steve Heighway leaving after winning the youth cup either, or our goalkeeping coach leaving.

Nothing unusual about him falling out with the bosses at Valencia,nothing unusual about him falling out with Rick Parry, nothing unusual about him falling out with his American boss's in the summer or again in the Autumn.

Thats exactly my point ..... theres nothing unusual about Rafa falling out with people.   

If you want to address THE POINT rather than trying to take the piss as you've done with Lando, fine.

Until then, my point which was actually about how Mourinho would have handled the situation with our owners, and any future f*cking about that might occur, stands and is valid. If you read my original post again, that will be clear.

I could quite conceivably rattle off a list of those people Mourinho f*cked off, or has had disagreements with.

Mourinho's left two jobs because of disagreements with owners for example, that's more pertinent than Rafa's disagreement with a goalkeeping coach.

I could rattle off a list of those who Ferguson's supposedly f*cked off, or had disagreements with.

Every top manager has disagreements, and quite a few at that. Rafa is no exception.

That, however, was not the original point, and I don't have time for silly little f*cking about posts like that.

Mourinho is an abrupt person, and I certainly don't believe he would have tolerated the f*cking about that our owners have exemplified in recent times.

OK list the people who Jose and Fergie have off then instead of rattling off mindless drivel like you always do!!

Rafa pisses off everyone including 21 and counting people on this forum 

[LittleHobo]

the pro rafa fans cant answer the kuyt thing.

for me it is one of reasons why ive lost faith in him

any sane man can see that kuyt would barely even get in the sunderland team