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by **66-1112520797** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:26 am

Are you still on the Fanta Barry ?

by **The Grudge** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:29 am

Bamaga man wrote:Are you still on the Fanta Barry ?

No mate....man dear its Wednesday morning!

by **Leonmc0708** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:42 am

So basically the anti rotation crew is saying that the players need a caring arm and a big hug after their poor displays but Rafa needs to be sacked ?

by **Simari** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:47 am

The biggest disappointment this season has been our approach to playing football.

Wins are always good, but from a purely entertainment perspective, it is a bit difficult to watch us play. For a large part of the pre-season, I felt that we needed a 2nd creative striker who would play on a consistent basis. However, I don't believe, at this point in time, that Rafa wants that sort of a player.

Even with Alonso and Agger back in the side, we still seem to have issues up-front with Torres being the only one who can create chances out of nothing.

Which leads me to a rather controversial question for the die-hard Gerrard fans:

"If Fabregas did not control mid-field and create attacking options CONSISTENTLY, would Arsenal be playing this way?"

My view is that Gerrard does not have the sort of guile required by a midfield maestro to give Liverpool the free-flowing football that some of us desire. He posed more of an attacking threat on the right.

Either that, or Rafa gets a creative 2nd striker to replace Kuyt, one who can not only effectively link up midfield with our attacking options out-wide as well as up-front, but do so by creating goal-scoring chances. I've lost faith in Kuyt's ability in that position. Being a work-horse as a striker is very commendable, ONLY if it is accompanied with goals. Kuyt appears to have lost composure in front of goal (and for those that might reply "but he scored in xx game", I'd ask you to look back over the last 12 months) and does not create enough chances to warrant playing in that position.

One last comment: the sort of football I'd like to watch does require a fairly settled side. I have not commented on rotation before, but the concept of a 'team' applies in all walks of life. It is about getting to know your team-mate and understanding how you can make use of his/her strengths. I can only hope that our players feel the same way about their team-mates. *Above average* individuals put in hard work and long hours to achieve this. A good team, in any walk of life, doesn't magically get together to deliver quality work 90 minutes before a deadline is due, and the same holds for football. If the focus re: rotation is all about "resting" and when "I get my chance to play", then I'm afraid we're getting nowhere with rotation. After all, what is the point of rotating, if players don't understand each other's playstyles, anyway?

by **Leonmc0708** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:51 am

Simari wrote:The biggest disappointment this season has been our approach to playing football.

Wins are always good, but from a purely entertainment perspective, it is a bit difficult to watch us play. For a large part of the pre-season, I felt that we needed a 2nd creative striker who would play on a consistent basis. However, I don't believe, at this point in time, that Rafa wants that sort of a player.

Even with Alonso and Agger back in the side, we still seem to have issues up-front with Torres being the only one who can create chances out of nothing.

Which leads me to a rather controversial question for the die-hard Gerrard fans:

"If Fabregas did not control mid-field and create attacking options CONSISTENTLY, would Arsenal be playing this way?"

My view is that Gerrard does not have the sort of guile required by a midfield maestro to give Liverpool the free-flowing football that some of us desire. He posed more of an attacking threat on the right.

Either that, or Rafa gets a creative 2nd striker to replace Kuyt, one who can not only effectively link up midfield with our attacking options out-wide as well as up-front, but do so by creating goal-scoring chances. I've lost faith in Kuyt's ability in that position. Being a work-horse as a striker is very commendable, ONLY if it is accompanied with goals. Kuyt appears to have lost composure in front of goal (and for those that might reply "but he scored in xx game", I'd ask you to look back over the last 12 months) and does not create enough chances to warrant playing in that position.

One last comment: the sort of football I'd like to watch does require a fairly settled side. I have not commented on rotation before, but the concept of a 'team' applies in all walks of life. It is about getting to know your team-mate and understanding how you can make use of his/her strengths. I can only hope that our players feel the same way about their team-mates. *Above average* individuals put in hard work and long hours to achieve this. A good team, in any walk of life, doesn't magically get together to deliver quality work 90 minutes before a deadline is due, and the same holds for football. If the focus re: rotation is all about "resting" and when "I get my chance to play", then I'm afraid we're getting nowhere with rotation. After all, what is the point of rotating, if players don't understand each other's playstyles, anyway?

Where did you copy and paste that from ?

by **LittleHobo** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:51 am

i believe rotation can work on the whole......but it must not weaken the side eg

henry rotated with eto = good
marcus bent rotated with defoe = good
giggs rotated with nani = good
crouch rotated with kuyt = good

the above are examples of where rotation wouldnt weaken the team, the bellow are examples of rafas rotation weakening the team

torres rotated with voronin = not good
gerrard rotated with sissoko = not good
arbeloa rotated with an unfit and not match fit auerlio
riise rotated with an young niave leto

by **66-1112520797** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:52 am

Where Leon has anyone from the "anti-rotation crew" said that Rafa needs to be sacked ?

by **Leonmc0708** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:52 am

Bamaga man wrote:Where Leon has anyone from the "anti-rotation crew" said that Rafa needs to be sacked ?

Read these pages mate.

by **Simari** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:54 am

Leonmc0708 wrote:Where did you copy and paste that from ?

My brain .. unless you were being sarcastic :eyebrow

by **LittleHobo** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:55 am

i heard a wonderful joke again last night

lampard to barcelona

a team with great technique, guile and creativity signing a man who can only shoot.......havent they watched fat frank play?

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:56 am

Leonmc0708 wrote:So basically the anti rotation crew is saying that the players need a caring arm and a big hug after their poor displays but Rafa needs to be sacked ?

I'm a pro-rotation, happy clapper mate. I just thought a bit of love might work wonders

I don't want Rafa sacked either, just think we might need a friendly approachable assistant. Nothing wrong in that is there?

by **Leonmc0708** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:56 am

Simari wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:Where did you copy and paste that from ?

My brain .. unless you were being sarcastic

I was mate, sorry.

I think we need a sarcasm smiley.

by **Leonmc0708** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:57 am

s@int wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:So basically the anti rotation crew is saying that the players need a caring arm and a big hug after their poor displays but Rafa needs to be sacked ?

I'm a pro-rotation, happy clapper mate. I just thought a bit of love might work wonders I don't want Rafa sacked either, just think we might need a friendly approachable assistant. Nothing wrong in that is there?

I dont usually label people with such things, so apologies to you and Bamaga and anyone else who felt them selves fenced off with that statement.

It was a generalisation mate.

by **Sabre** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:05 am

Simari's point on Gerrard

"If Fabregas did not control mid-field and create attacking options CONSISTENTLY, would Arsenal be playing this way?"

My view is that Gerrard does not have the sort of guile required by a midfield maestro to give Liverpool the free-flowing football that some of us desire. He posed more of an attacking threat on the right.

I share some beliefs with the majority of Liverpool fans (most important one being a Liverpool fan). In some other points I disagree.

I disagree in rotation slagging, I disagreed the people who said Gerrard on the right was a mistake (and I disagree now those who say he's not great in the middle), and I also couldn't grasp the concept of Mascherano being more compatible than Alonso with Gerrard. I don't buy all the football concepts coming from my mates in this forum.

And I don't buy this point neither. I'd *never* preffer Cesc Fabregas rather than Gerrard in the midfield. Gerrard is quite simply a more complete and better player than the Spaniard.

I can see that whenever we have 2 bad weeks, it's not only the manager who's not good enough, Crouch is insulted, we covet midfielders of other clubs, and we say straight away that the team that was 4th last season will beat us at the end. I saw too fastly saying last year ALonso was far from his game in the first season, and I see him missed when he's not on the pitch, ironically.

I think not only the manager, but many players need more respect.

by **112-1077774096** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:09 am

i am just watching steve macmahon on tv now talking about it.

many points are being raised, a good point he made about gerrard and the players around him, its not just different players around him when they are rotated, its different types of players with different qualities and gerrard doesnt know from one week to the next who he will be paired with, the same as the forwards. he is of the opinion that the players are having trouble adapting to this.

he also says rotation is just basically a euphemism for being dropped and players are being dropped when they are playing well.

there is also talk that paco is being missed, he was the one who took training and knew which players were fit and which players were on form, and now he isn't there there is nobody advising rafa properly.

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