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Bamaga man wrote:

I will defend the manager against idiots and know nothing fickle fans ALL day

I wouldnt call me/us Fickle for critising the manager, and I dont think there are many people on these boards who "enjoy slating the manager"

FWIW I think most us are saying it just as we see it, and what infuriates me is the way other posters cannot see no wrong in what the manager is doing.

Leonmc0708 wrote:

peewee wrote:

redtrader74 wrote:

Leonmc0708 wrote:

Ace Ventura wrote:

Leonmc0708 wrote:90% down to tactics and 10% the players ?

So not being able to find a red shirt, shooting well wide, barracking your team mates when you fu.ck up, pulling yer shirt over yer head like a kid when the game is still in play, short passes, not pressing the opposition, long humps upfield and the slackest marking for a number of years are 10% of the problem.

Whereas 90% of the problem is where Benitez tells them to stand ?

Ok mate we obviously know what side of the fence you are on, and fair play to you, i wish i could be as positive and believe in the managers methods as much as you and some others do.
But a question for you, do you think Rafa is in any way to blame for this slump in form, results etc ? If so what percentage would you say is his fault ?

I do yes.

I think that he has made some strange decisions regarding substitutions, and I think he could improve on this.

I also beleive that he should have made sure we got cover in at centre half in the summer, and there should have been a plan B (to Heinzes plan A).

I am sure that rotation is important, and we need to keep people fresh, however I think that we need to play a spine of the team week in week out. I think that Reina, Carra, Agger, Alonso, Gerrard and Torres should play all the league games regardless.

Notice the way two of the important aspects of ths spine are in fact missing through injury, I beleive this is having a bigger impact than people will allow themselves to admit. We hoof it cus Agger and Alonso are not there to play it out of the back.

Gerrard is equally out of form bigtime, and he needs a rest/kick up the @rse. However it will simply be impossible with the above two missing, and another stick to beat Rafa with is he does it and we dont get the result.

Whats up with you Leon? Don't you get it, its Rafa fault when we play poorly (well 90.789563332% of the time). But any trophies have been won in spite of Rafa.

4 finals, won two, lost two,

istanbul, injury forced his hand to bring on hamman
carling cup, no real complaints
FA cup, injury time equaliser against a team that nearly got relegated the following season, they scored 3 goals
Athens, got it very badly wrong and made some mystifying substitutions

yes we won them mate, but it was no stroll in the park, in fact it was quite the opposite and that stat was very close to 4 finals, no wins

How on earth was it the players who won us those competitions and games and NOTHING to do with Rafa who was just in the right place at the right time

AND

now its nothing to do with the players who stick by Rafa's evey word and are completely subservient to his orders and IN FACT all Rafa's fault now.

peewee wrote:

Leonmc0708 wrote:

peewee wrote:

redtrader74 wrote:

Leonmc0708 wrote:

Ace Ventura wrote:

Leonmc0708 wrote:90% down to tactics and 10% the players ?

So not being able to find a red shirt, shooting well wide, barracking your team mates when you fu.ck up, pulling yer shirt over yer head like a kid when the game is still in play, short passes, not pressing the opposition, long humps upfield and the slackest marking for a number of years are 10% of the problem.

Whereas 90% of the problem is where Benitez tells them to stand ?

Ok mate we obviously know what side of the fence you are on, and fair play to you, i wish i could be as positive and believe in the managers methods as much as you and some others do.
But a question for you, do you think Rafa is in any way to blame for this slump in form, results etc ? If so what percentage would you say is his fault ?

I do yes.

I think that he has made some strange decisions regarding substitutions, and I think he could improve on this.

I also beleive that he should have made sure we got cover in at centre half in the summer, and there should have been a plan B (to Heinzes plan A).

I am sure that rotation is important, and we need to keep people fresh, however I think that we need to play a spine of the team week in week out. I think that Reina, Carra, Agger, Alonso, Gerrard and Torres should play all the league games regardless.

Notice the way two of the important aspects of ths spine are in fact missing through injury, I beleive this is having a bigger impact than people will allow themselves to admit. We hoof it cus Agger and Alonso are not there to play it out of the back.

Gerrard is equally out of form bigtime, and he needs a rest/kick up the @rse. However it will simply be impossible with the above two missing, and another stick to beat Rafa with is he does it and we dont get the result.

Whats up with you Leon? Don't you get it, its Rafa fault when we play poorly (well 90.789563332% of the time). But any trophies have been won in spite of Rafa.

4 finals, won two, lost two,

istanbul, injury forced his hand to bring on hamman
carling cup, no real complaints
FA cup, injury time equaliser against a team that nearly got relegated the following season, they scored 3 goals
Athens, got it very badly wrong and made some mystifying substitutions

yes we won them mate, but it was no stroll in the park, in fact it was quite the opposite and that stat was very close to 4 finals, no wins

How on earth was it the players who won us those competitions and games and NOTHING to do with Rafa who was just in the right place at the right time

AND

now its nothing to do with the players who stick by Rafa's evey word and are completely subservient to his orders and IN FACT all Rafa's fault now.

i think you must be confusing me with someone else

peewee wrote:

redtrader74 wrote:

Leonmc0708 wrote:

Ace Ventura wrote:

Leonmc0708 wrote:90% down to tactics and 10% the players ?

So not being able to find a red shirt, shooting well wide, barracking your team mates when you fu.ck up, pulling yer shirt over yer head like a kid when the game is still in play, short passes, not pressing the opposition, long humps upfield and the slackest marking for a number of years are 10% of the problem.

Whereas 90% of the problem is where Benitez tells them to stand ?

Ok mate we obviously know what side of the fence you are on, and fair play to you, i wish i could be as positive and believe in the managers methods as much as you and some others do.
But a question for you, do you think Rafa is in any way to blame for this slump in form, results etc ? If so what percentage would you say is his fault ?

I do yes.

I think that he has made some strange decisions regarding substitutions, and I think he could improve on this.

I also beleive that he should have made sure we got cover in at centre half in the summer, and there should have been a plan B (to Heinzes plan A).

I am sure that rotation is important, and we need to keep people fresh, however I think that we need to play a spine of the team week in week out. I think that Reina, Carra, Agger, Alonso, Gerrard and Torres should play all the league games regardless.

Notice the way two of the important aspects of ths spine are in fact missing through injury, I beleive this is having a bigger impact than people will allow themselves to admit. We hoof it cus Agger and Alonso are not there to play it out of the back.

Gerrard is equally out of form bigtime, and he needs a rest/kick up the @rse. However it will simply be impossible with the above two missing, and another stick to beat Rafa with is he does it and we dont get the result.

Whats up with you Leon? Don't you get it, its Rafa fault when we play poorly (well 90.789563332% of the time). But any trophies have been won in spite of Rafa.

4 finals, won two, lost two,

istanbul, injury forced his hand to bring on hamman
carling cup, no real complaints
FA cup, injury time equaliser against a team that nearly got relegated the following season, they scored 3 goals
Athens, got it very badly wrong and made some mystifying substitutions

yes we won them mate, but it was no stroll in the park, in fact it was quite the opposite and that stat was very close to 4 finals, no wins

peewee wrote:radun i am talking about the finals mate, not the way we got there but those individual games,  and yes leon ultimately the players bailed him out in the finals, at one point at half time in Istanbul he had 12 players ffs, if it wasn't for the injury to finnan, hamman wouldnt have got on at half time, his introduction gave gerrard the freedom, even gerrard says in is autobigraphy he got it wrong and hamman should have played.

in the FA cup final we were going into injury time one goal down, and again gerrard admits if he wasn't cramped up he wouldn't have took that shot, thats how close we were to losing that one


listen at the end of the day we all want the same thing, some of us see it one way, some of us see it another way and sorry but you can give your opinion all you want but it wont change my opinion, just like i imagine my opinion wont change yours, like i said the other day time will tell, but three years and we are still making the same mistakes

peewee wrote:yes and i know he also says rafa was brilliant at half time, but that is based on motivating the players, the fact is though that he forced into the change

The opinion is that he was forced into it, the fact is only truly known to Rafa himself.

Lets agree to disagree you pleb