Liverpool FC Forum

by **Avi Cohen** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:41 pm

Big Niall wrote:How often did ferguson rest a fit Ronaldo,scholes, giggs,Van Nisttleroy (when he was there)? very little, the guys doing the job played. poor players like fletcher and O'shea came in and out but the top players nearly always played.

Rafa "rests" Torres twice at the very start of the season.

Nonsense.

As for stats claiming winning the FA cup is back up for a successful period, even Souness won that.

We have spent way more than ARsenal, play unattractive football in comparison and look much less likely to win the league.

HEAR HEAR!

by **No Mark** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:51 pm

Well, well, well.

As per usual we hit a little hiccup and as per usual, the (media induced) Rafa-bashers come out and get their little sly digs in on the Liverpool manager.

I won't try and defend the boss here, as his record speaks for himself, but it shows just how far along we have come under the guidance of the Mestalla Magician when people are criticising us at this early stage, either that or we have a lot more :censored:

following us lately.

by **welsh wizzard** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:55 pm

Well blow me down with a wippet!!
It looks like a lot of us on here don't have a fecking clue what we are on about. Not allowed to express our "opinions"

I have said it and will say it again, "We will not win the premiership under Rafa Benitez" Believe me i wish we could but i just don't believe we ever will under his management. He has lost the backbone of his backroom staff, continues rotating his best players and slowly i feel he is losing the plot.

It doesn't help when he never gives individual players the praise they deserve after an excellent perfomance, Build them up make them feel great, but has he ever done this "NO" just states yes we the team played well, we can do better with the right "mentality" and attitude we are improving. What the feck does that give you after putting in a wonderfull effort. Has this man got a sense of humour does he own a heart he should start giving credit where credit is due, make his star performers feel like they are invincible make them feel they are special. I just get the feeling his man management skills are shiteee,

For this reason i believe only "my opinion" the players are getting to lose confidence in him the manager. The performances on the pitch as of late signifies this. I believe like others have said play your best starting 11 go for the jugular let them play week in week out when your winning all the time it breeds confidence and players who are winning all the time want to play week in week out and never feel tired. Then when we are winning by a clear margin make changes with 25min to go etc Quality players your best players want to play all the time thats why they are top football players playing at the highest level. Not start 1 game them drop him to the bench having played well and so on players lose confidence this way and lose heart and faith..

So unless Rafa gets a reality check stops tinkering, Praise individual players when praise is due make them feel they are the best and bring in someone now who knows what Liverpool FC is all about and what it stands for to work along side him someone like Alan Hansen or Sammy Lee then just maybe we will have a chance.

But somehow i don't think Rafa Benitez will change He is too stubborn for his own good. Only time will tell !!!

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:00 pm

welsh wizzard wrote:Well blow me down with a wippet!!
It looks like a lot of us on here don't have a fecking clue what we are on about. Not allowed to express our "opinions"

I have said it and will say it again, "We will not win the premiership under Rafa Benitez" Believe me i wish we could but i just don't believe we ever will under his management. He has lost the backbone of his backroom staff, continues rotating his best players and slowly i feel he is losing the plot.

It doesn't help when he never gives individual players the praise they deserve after an excellent perfomance, Build them up make them feel great, but has he ever done this "NO" just states yes we the team played well, we can do better with the right "mentality" and attitude we are improving. What the feck does that give you after putting in a wonderfull effort. Has this man got a sense of humour does he own a heart he should start giving credit where credit is due, make his star performers feel like they are invincible make them feel they are special. I just get the feeling his man management skills are shiteee,

For this reason i believe only "my opinion" the players are getting to lose confidence in him the manager. The performances on the pitch as of late signifies this. I believe like others have said play your best starting 11 go for the jugular let them play week in week out when your winning all the time it breeds confidence and players who are winning all the time want to play week in week out and never feel tired. Then when we are winning by a clear margin make changes with 25min to go etc Quality players your best players want to play all the time thats why they are top football players playing at the highest level. Not start 1 game them drop him to the bench having played well and so on players lose confidence this way and lose heart and faith..

So unless Rafa gets a reality check stops tinkering, Praise individual players when praise is due make them feel they are the best and bring in someone now who knows what Liverpool FC is all about and what it stands for to work along side him someone like Alan Hansen or Sammy Lee then just maybe we will have a chance.

But somehow i don't think Rafa Benitez will change He is too stubborn for his own good. Only time will tell !!!

I think that is just Rafa's way.. and it works when you have someone like Pako working alongside you as he was the one to "big" up the players..

I started a thread called Where is the Love.. and this is my point. Rafa is not a man manager, he is a tactician. He needs someone else in the team to "give the boys a hug" (don't take that literally).

He is still the man to lead the reds and I do not agree that we will not win the league with him at the helm, I just think he needs a liitle more time.. The basics are right, we are just not quite right yet

by **Scottbot** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:08 pm

welsh wizzard wrote:It doesn't help when he never gives individual players the praise they deserve after an excellent perfomance, Build them up make them feel great, but has he ever done this "NO" just states yes we the team played well, we can do better with the right "mentality" and attitude we are improving.

Absolutely ridiculous Welsh, total specualtion on your part considering you haven't a clue what he says to the players back in the dressing or on the training ground each day. Just because he refrains from kissing players :censored:

's in the media and conitinually preaches the 'TEAM' (it is a team sport after all isn't it?) that makes him a poor man-manager?

Do you really think a man with Benitez's managerial record has somehow managed to win all those trophies whilst being a poor man-manager??? 2 La Liga titles, 1 European Cup, 1 UEFA Cup, 1 FA Cup, European Cup Runners-Up, League Cup Runners-Up. Imagine how good this guy could be if he starting making players feel like they are 100 feet tall! Who knows how many trophies they might have won for him. :no

by **No Mark** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:10 pm

welsh wizzard wrote:Well blow me down with a wippet!!
It looks like a lot of us on here don't have a fecking clue what we are on about. Not allowed to express our "opinions"

I have said it and will say it again, "We will not win the premiership under Rafa Benitez" Believe me i wish we could but i just don't believe we ever will under his management. He has lost the backbone of his backroom staff, continues rotating his best players and slowly i feel he is losing the plot.

It doesn't help when he never gives individual players the praise they deserve after an excellent perfomance, Build them up make them feel great, but has he ever done this "NO" just states yes we the team played well, we can do better with the right "mentality" and attitude we are improving. What the feck does that give you after putting in a wonderfull effort. Has this man got a sense of humour does he own a heart he should start giving credit where credit is due, make his star performers feel like they are invincible make them feel they are special. I just get the feeling his man management skills are shiteee,

For this reason i believe only "my opinion" the players are getting to lose confidence in him the manager. The performances on the pitch as of late signifies this. I believe like others have said play your best starting 11 go for the jugular let them play week in week out when your winning all the time it breeds confidence and players who are winning all the time want to play week in week out and never feel tired. Then when we are winning by a clear margin make changes with 25min to go etc Quality players your best players want to play all the time thats why they are top football players playing at the highest level. Not start 1 game them drop him to the bench having played well and so on players lose confidence this way and lose heart and faith..

So unless Rafa gets a reality check stops tinkering, Praise individual players when praise is due make them feel they are the best and bring in someone now who knows what Liverpool FC is all about and what it stands for to work along side him someone like Alan Hansen or Sammy Lee then just maybe we will have a chance.

But somehow i don't think Rafa Benitez will change He is too stubborn for his own good. Only time will tell !!!

Any chance of this weeks lottery numbers while your at it, please lad ?

People are entitled to opinions but it seems to me you base your "opinion" you go on about so much on the opinions of the so called experts we see on TV all the time.

Actually lad, you seem to have this whole management thing wrapped up, so in my opinion why don't we just get rid of Rafa and put you in charge so you can tell players there "playing well" and cuddle and kiss them.

The simple fact is (once again in my opinion), the players haven't performed recently and they all know they should have. Even Captain Fantastic Mr Gerrard has not been his usual self and I'll admit its a tad worrying at the moment but I have no doubt (in my opinion) that the long term future of the club this season is under no serious threat. In fact in my opinion, this season will potentially be one of our best in recent memory.

In my opinion, your opinion is considerably the wrong one but we'll see won't we lad.

So, any chance of them numbers?

by **LFC2007** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:14 pm

Scottbot wrote:
welsh wizzard wrote:It doesn't help when he never gives individual players the praise they deserve after an excellent perfomance, Build them up make them feel great, but has he ever done this "NO" just states yes we the team played well, we can do better with the right "mentality" and attitude we are improving.

Absolutely ridiculous Welsh, total specualtion on your part considering you haven't a clue what he says to the players back in the dressing or on the training ground each day. Just because he refrains from kissing players 's in the media and conitinually preaches the 'TEAM' (it is a team sport after all isn't it?) that makes him a poor man-manager?

I agree, I'd just add that he (Rafa) has explained part of this already. He likes to guard against complacency and views the team as a collective unit. I don't see anything wrong with this approach, a team is interdependent, therefore praise should be applied collectively.

by **jeff capes** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:27 pm

my liverpool hero is playing for another club.

liverpool don't have many true heroes or legends playing for them.

you look at manu and there are loads all over the place, the same for arsenholes and chelsea.

yet i've got to see my hero playing for a 2 bob club like newcastle.

i'll get off rafas back if owen comes back.

i don't care if owen is so injured he could not play for for us again, i just want him back and around the place and linked to liverpool. if that guy ends up at manu i will be angry, but not surprised after recent comments made by liverpool fans about torres being the next goal scoring hero since fowler.

to skip past owen like that is disrespectful.fowler was never an international name, or even and england regular.

at no point in fowlers career was he ever close to being european footballer of the year.

at no point was fowler my hero, that guy always ran out of goals when we needed them.if you needed somebody to score six against some nobody team then fowler was your man,but come the the end of the season when you needed just a few goals to push for the title, he was always missing chances.

obviously my obseveration and memory of fowler will be different from most, but hey its all about opinions.

for liverpool to produce a player that become european player of the year, and not have him around the place is just a crime.

i blame one person for this and its not owen.

just like rush was allowed to leave for a while to go to juventus, i have no problem owen going to madrid.

those liverpool fans who booed owen when he came back should sectioned.

by **Scottbot** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:31 pm

I'd also add that all this talk about the players missing Pako and my favourite 'he's the link between the players and the boss' is (again) complete speculation that keeps getting written up as if it's FACT. No-one would give it a 2nd thought if we had we won the last three games.

Everyone is looking for reasons, i've seen it all on here. I can't even bare to go in the rotation thread. It's doing me nut in.

Anyone ever thought we might just be playing S.H...I.T the way teams sometimes go through a spell where they play S..H..I..T?

Just an idea.

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:35 pm

Scottbot wrote:I'd also add that all this talk about the players missing Pako and my favourite 'he's the link between the players and the boss' is (again) complete speculation that keeps getting written up as if it's FACT.
Just an idea.

That is pretty much fact Scott a couple of players have said it and Carra said it in the Times pod cast mate.

by **welsh wizzard** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:41 pm

Well like i said we will see won't we !!

But its obvious to see from the outside Rafa is not a real good man manager, he is a master technician yes !!

Players must be left in confusion at times not knowing where they stand with him.

Its worrying thats all i'm saying (my opinion)

by **Scottbot** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:41 pm

s@int wrote:That is pretty much fact Scott a couple of players have said it and Carra said it in the Times pod cast mate.

Fair enough, i haven't read it anywhere my self and i didn't listen to all of that podcast. But really, do you actually believe it's had any real bearing on the club's recent form? All this over-analysis is killing me at the moment, everyone going round in circles chasing their own tails.

Maybe i need to take forum break for a bit.

Be back when we win a game

Putting the F into Fickle!

by **Lando_Griffin** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:42 pm

jeff capes wrote:my liverpool hero is playing for another club.

liverpool don't have many true heroes or legends playing for them.

you look at manu and there are loads all over the place, the same for arsenholes and chelsea.

yet i've got to see my hero playing for a 2 bob club like newcastle.

i'll get off rafas back if owen comes back.

i don't care if owen is so injured he could not play for for us again, i just want him back and around the place and linked to liverpool. if that guy ends up at manu i will be angry, but not surprised after recent comments made by liverpool fans about torres being the next goal scoring hero since fowler.

to skip past owen like that is disrespectful.fowler was never an international name, or even and england regular.

at no point in fowlers career was he ever close to being european footballer of the year.

at no point was fowler my hero, that guy always ran out of goals when we needed them.if you needed somebody to score six against some nobody team then fowler was your man,but come the the end of the season when you needed just a few goals to push for the title, he was always missing chances.

obviously my obseveration and memory of fowler will be different from most, but hey its all about opinions.

for liverpool to produce a player that become european player of the year, and not have him around the place is just a crime.

i blame one person for this and its not owen.

just like rush was allowed to leave for a while to go to juventus, i have no problem owen going to madrid.

those liverpool fans who booed owen when he came back should sectioned.

And there it is - the worst post ever on any forum anywhere.

Well done, my friend, you should be proud...

You thick, thick b*stard. :no

by **LFC2007** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:44 pm

welsh wizzard wrote:But its obvious to see from the outside Rafa is not a real good man manager, he is a master technician yes !!

Players must be left in confusion at times not knowing where they stand with him.

I don't think there is any reasonable justification for this part of your post.

It's a speculative opinion.

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:45 pm

Scottbot wrote:
s@int wrote:That is pretty much fact Scott a couple of players have said it and Carra said it in the Times pod cast mate.

Fair enough, i haven't read it anywhere my self and i didn't listen to all of that podcast. But really, do you actually believe it's had any real bearing on the club's recent form? All this over-analysis is killing me at the moment, everyone going round in circles chasing their own tails.

Maybe i need to take forum break for a bit.

Be back when we win a game

Putting the F into Fickle!

No mate not the teams form , maybe one or two players are a bit sensitive though

Or maybe they just need a kick up the backside.

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