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by **112-1077774096** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:24 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:
peewee wrote:ah the fickle word springs up again, and again used totally out of context,

Well why don't you explain it then so there's no confusion?

read my post above, its called honesty, we have the right to praise us when we play well and criticise us when we play badly, thats not being fickle, thats just being honest.

you should try it sometimes and see the performances for what they are instead of trying to dress everything up and refusing to find fault with rafa, i am sure even rafa knows when he gets it wrong

by **The_Rock** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:25 pm

peewee wrote:3-1 arsenal

Their last 2 goals are superb..... BTW they are my pick for the title too...

BTW, Even u got to admit that Kuyt would have performed better than crouch or voronin today right ?

by **Scottbot** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:26 pm

AB's Red Army wrote:We play Spurs away, not home. We don't play them at Anfield until the last game of the season.

I hope not mate coz i've got a ticket and it's in the main stand.

by **Wilhelmsson** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:26 pm

AB's Red Army wrote:Because our fans talk about as if we have the focking divine right to win every game.

And the hypocrisy,lack of perspective is unreal.

5 games in, a game in hand, we're unbeaten, and we're in a good position so far.

You don't win the league in the first five games.

I’m not sure if I have seen fans claiming that the club has a divine right to win games, but Liverpool should go out and pick up as many points as possible throughout the season. I am not interested if MU and Arsenal have a poor record at Fratton Park, what I am interested in is how Liverpool does there and today two points were thrown away. It’s not a crisis by any means, that’s not what I am claiming; however I fail to see how it is a positive result.

You are of course correct, five games into the season, we’re unbeaten and have lots of positives so far, but the teams needs to win such matches in the early stages as none of us can predict what’s around the corner. I see every match as a must win match, that’s my mentality, whether it’s the correct or wrong mentality is open to discussion. As I have said, a point is not a terrible result, but it’s not a positive result either.

by **Emerald Red** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:27 pm

AB's Red Army wrote:
Wilhelmsson wrote:
AB's Red Army wrote:Really?

Utd couldn't do it last year, they got beaten 2-1.
Utd couldn't do it this year either.

Arsenal haven't won there in 2 or 3 years as far as I can remember.

Why do fans always use other teams’ results? Who cares what Utd have gotten this season or last season from the fixture? The important issue here is capitalising on our rival’s mistakes. If Utd drop points at Fratton Park, Liverpool must ensure they collect maximum points from the same fixture. It makes a world of difference come the end of the season.

Because our fans talk about as if we have the focking divine right to win every game.

And the hypocrisy,lack of perspective is unreal.

5 games in, a game in hand, we're unbeaten, and we're in a good position so far.

You don't win the league in the first five games.

That's a valid point there. We are five games in and unbeaten, yes, and there is a long way to go still.

But I can't help looking at it in the sense that we should have maximum points, regardless. We were robbed against Chelsea by the ref, but today we robbed ourselves of three points. If you think about it, that would have added up to 7 points already ahead of United, assuming we win our game in hand. That's 7 points that would certainly be needed come May.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:27 pm

peewee wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:Hmmm.... We got a point today, at a venue where the reigning champs got a point. At a venue where we lost last season.

its quotes like this that let you down, so what? we lost there last season, the mancs drew there this season.

so what? so we have to be grateful for a point when we should be celebrating 3 points against a team that has won one game all season.

its not relevant what other teams do there, or what we did there last season.

what is relevant is what happened today and today we were p*ss poor, and as supporters we have the right to comment on this, just as we have the right to comment when we play well, thats not being fickle mate, thats being honest

No, saying "we're going to win the league and Rafa is a genius" one game, then "Rafa lost us the game because he doesn't understand the league" IS fickle. Or hypocritical. Take your pick.

And the comparisons with last season are there simply to point out that it's not exactly an easy place to visit. It's what people do, you know.

by **112-1077774096** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:28 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:
woof woof ! wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
woof woof ! wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:Typical over-reaction from certain quarters...

Yes we were poor. That happens to teams you know - it's not a new thing exclusive to Rafa Benitez.

"So and so should have started..." - are these ramblings coming from the same people who were banging on about our rotation now being "class for class"?

Hmmm.... We got a point today, at a venue where the reigning champs got a point. At a venue where we lost last season.

Now - grow up and stop spitting out the dummy, dummies.

If we'd started with the team we finished with we would've sown up the game in the first half while Portsmouth were still playing "Rope a Dope" .

Stick to hurling abuse Lando , they're more amusing and make more sense than your footy analysis.

Is that right? It makes more sense that the ramblings I've read so far.

Still - here I was thinking that fickle attitudes and emotional posts were those that made the least sense...

So whadya think ?

Rafa was right with his starting 11 ?

You don't think that starting with Torres instead of Crouch/Voronin or Gerrard instead of Sissoko would have made a difference ?

Woof - what is the point of having a squad, then playing the same team every week?

Had Gerrard started, he'd have played 3 games in less than 7 days. Torres travelled to Iceland, then to Spain, then back to England in the same space of time.

Now - MAYBE Rafa wanted them to play. Maybe they said they weren't feeling too good. Maybe it wasn't Rafa's decision to drop them at all.

Ever thought of that?

then they wouldnt have been on the bench would they,

rafa picks the team, rafa makes the decisons.

dont talk to me about fitness, rafa played gerrard 3 days after he broke his toe so dont tell me that gerrard would say he didnt want to play :no

i admire your enthusiasm mate but sometimes you go so wide of the mark with your thoughts, and then when your argument fails the abuse will start.

about time you took a step back really and thought about your comments on rafa and see why these comments are made by other. he is not perfect, he makes mistakes

by **RedorDead** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:28 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:
peewee wrote:redknapp didnt choose to leave his two best players on the bench mate, rafa did, whatever the reasons rafa made that choice

Yes, because Gerrard played 2 games in 4 days, and Torres travelled to Iceland and Spain in the same time frame.

Anyone who thinks the team that took to the field today wasn't good enough is a bit daft, tbh. We just didn't play well, basically because the team couldn't train for the match. Nothing to do with a lack of ability or talent.

Simple as that.

lando you do on occasion say some crazy things but on this we completely agree. The team rafa picked today was full of international quality, including the players that came in, it was a matter of performance and not selection.

by **AB's Red Army** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:29 pm

Grimly Fiendish wrote:
AB's Red Army wrote:
Grimly Fiendish wrote:
AB's Red Army wrote:
Grimly Fiendish wrote:2pts pi.ssed away today. You rest your best players in games like our next home game against shi.te like Birmingham not games that you know will be tough like Pompey away.
FFS! Grim

How many top four sides have come to Upton park in the last three seasons and won? Full strength or not?

Answer on a postcard mate.

Upton Park!
In the last 2 seasons
Chelsea have won there twice, United, Spurs, Everton and us have all won there too.

Are you realy as thick as pigsh.it or are you just pretending?
You can send me your answer on a postcard mate.

Keyword: top four.

Since when were Everton and Spurs in the top four?

We lost to Pompey last season and obviously we failed to win this year.

United lost to Pompey last season and they didn't win the year before either. They drew this season.

Arsenal have not beaten them in the last two seasons there.

Only Chelsea out of the TOP FOUR have won there.

Dip .

Chelsea beat them in the last two seasons, United beat them the season before last as did we, the only TOP FOUR team not to win there in the past three seasons are Arsenal.

I've provided the link just to prove you are truly as thick as pigsh.it and talk utter shi.te

http://www.portsmouth.vitalfootball.co.uk/results.asp

So when were Tottenham and Everton in the top four? :laugh:

2. Why the fock are you telling me what I already know? Yes Chelsea are the only ones who have won there consistently in the last 2/3 seasons. As I've said three or four times. Thank you for reiterating my point, muppet.

3. Man Utd have not won there in the last two seasons :laugh:

That would include this season and last season. Hence why I said they did not win in the last two seasons. Their last win came at the same time when we won. Again thank you very much for restating what I've already said. [I admit my mistake regarding their last win there, which was in 2005/2006]

F#ck me you're thick.

The whole point is that Pompey have given 3 out of the 4 top sides a tough time at Fratton Park. Harry Redknapp is the catalyst for that [our last and Utd's win came against Perrin].

Now f#ck off to the cave you crawled out of from.

Perhaps you should learn how to read properly.

So let's summarize this.

Only Chelsea have won there consistently in the last couple of seasons.

Us and United have not beaten them in the last two seasons [that would include this one].

And Arsenal haven't won there in a while.

Which was my original point.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:29 pm

simolonge wrote:The same people who over reacted after a couple of wins are now beoaning a draw.

Fickle ?

you seem to have beef with people
why dont you shut it?
all you do is belittle
stop being such a t!t

we may not be at the top
thats why we are unhappy
cause this is 2 points dropped
2 points gained for pompey

by **Emerald Red** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:31 pm

This thread is starting to get out of hand. There's a lot of seperate arguments going on here, instead of actual diplomatic debate between fellow supporters.

We need a voice of clarity, I think.

by **112-1077774096** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:32 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:
peewee wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:Hmmm.... We got a point today, at a venue where the reigning champs got a point. At a venue where we lost last season.

its quotes like this that let you down, so what? we lost there last season, the mancs drew there this season.

so what? so we have to be grateful for a point when we should be celebrating 3 points against a team that has won one game all season.

its not relevant what other teams do there, or what we did there last season.

what is relevant is what happened today and today we were p*ss poor, and as supporters we have the right to comment on this, just as we have the right to comment when we play well, thats not being fickle mate, thats being honest

No, saying "we're going to win the league and Rafa is a genius" one game, then "Rafa lost us the game because he doesn't understand the league" IS fickle. Or hypocritical. Take your pick.

And the comparisons with last season are there simply to point out that it's not exactly an easy place to visit. It's what people do, you know.

its neither fickle or hypocritical, its belief.

we look good and people say we are good enough to win the league, then we put in a performance thats similar to last season and people think "oh, maybe we had a false start"

thats not fickle, thats saying what they believe

and comparing results to last seasons results, or comparing other teams results is just pointless mate, i am sure you know that really

i am not going to get into a slanging match with you lando, you have you thoughts and i have mine, i just think mine or more balanced and based on observation, rather than based on blind faith that you seem to have

by **Lando_Griffin** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:33 pm

peewee wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
peewee wrote:ah the fickle word springs up again, and again used totally out of context,

Well why don't you explain it then so there's no confusion?

read my post above, its called honesty, we have the right to praise us when we play well and criticise us when we play badly, thats not being fickle, thats just being honest.

you should try it sometimes and see the performances for what they are instead of trying to dress everything up and refusing to find fault with rafa, i am sure even rafa knows when he gets it wrong

I think the only person not reading posts is you.

To contradict oneself is to display hypocrisy. To have a love-in with Rafa's effigy one minute, then burn the fecking thing the next, is fickle - plain and simple.

"Fickle: 1. Likely to change. 2. Not constant or loyal in affections."

Is that not a fitting summary of the emotions displayed on this board on an almost weekly basis?

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:33 pm

Emerald Red wrote:This thread is starting to get out of hand. There's a lot of seperate arguments going on here, instead of actual diplomatic debate between fellow supporters.

We need a voice of clarity, I think.

Don't look at me then mate, I am still fkn fuming

by **AB's Red Army** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:33 pm

Scottbot wrote:
AB's Red Army wrote:We play Spurs away, not home. We don't play them at Anfield until the last game of the season.

I hope not mate coz i've got a ticket and it's in the main stand.

You are correct, I just checked on LFC.tv

My original source had it wrong.

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