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The Ace1983 wrote:Organic Veg. The greatest trick the devil ever played was not convincing the world that he didn't exist, it was coming up with organic food.

"But it's natural! It must be better for you!" I hear some braindead hippies cry. Wake up and smell what's being shovelled and what you're paying over the odds for. Nature isn't something to be loved. It's something to be respected. Nature is a force which can kill thousands at a time without discrimination, not something you can snuggle up with. The whole problem with a lot of environmental problems is that hippies are leading the fight but as per usual, they know as much about the real issues as I do about... well, something I don't even know about!

Anyway, back to the "Natural" Organic food swindle. First of all, the opposite of "organic" is "metallic" so the name is stupid because unless you're eating tin sou with roast magnesium for afters, you're eating organic anyway. Anything that is carbon based is organic.

So your supermarket is promoting its organic foods. Some from just a few miles away that have never been introduced to chemicals... except the petrol fumes on the ride over, the basic warehouse chemicals produced by machinary, air-conditioning, cleaning substances (including acids and bleaches), whatever else is in the warehouse and packaging equipment. And just for good measure there's the smoking workers who don't always wash their hands after they've taken a p1ss. Unless you grow the food yourself, in a highly controlled environment, you're going to get food covered in chemicals. Deal with it.   

And if you pay above the odds for any "organic" root veg, you're a mug. Carrots, Onions, Garlic, Swedes, Turnips and the like. When these veg, potatos too, absorb nutrients/chemicals that they don't like, they push them out. That's why the inside of a carrot is pure, and its skin is all manky, creased and covered with impurities. There is nothing bad on the inside, because it's all on the outside so as long as you peel your veg, you won't absorb any of the herbicides/pesticides that are used on them. And if you don't eat the skins of a potato, you'll be fine too.

And why do they use those herbicides? Because most veg develops a fine film of mould as soon as it's been picked and that's incredibly carcinogenic and has been known to cause a large number of dissorders including diarrhoea. There's little coincidence that during the industrial revolution, when every day life and work was particullarly dangerous, life expectancy began to rise after the introduction of chemicals to crops to keep bugs and mould away.

And finally, by eating organic, you're contributing to the extinction of and destruction of our wildlife. You know those strips of unfarmed land at the ends of crop fields? Have you noticed that they're disappearing? Well they are. Farmers are actually payed to keep those bits of land unploughed to encourage wildlife and protect some natural habitats. But because a certain amount of organic crops are expected to fail, farmers can no longer afford to take that chance. They are criminally underpaid anyway, so they can't really stand up to the supermarkets who can dictate what they want the farmers to grow and they can charge more for "organics" so you do the math. All of this means that the land reserved for nature has to be ploughed away and we threaten our wildlife even more.

So, organic food.  It's got a stupid name, it kills animals, it costs more, it kills you, its a lie and half of the time it doesn't make a bit of difference.

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Sabre wrote:A part of my family, has always had vineyards and all the area (Rioja) is making the transition from traditional pesticides agriculture to what you call organic agriculture -- we call it biologic or ecologic agriculture

Maybe it's debatable if the pesticides are harmful, but it's not debatable that when you get a grape, you can check whether it's true it's really biological by making chemical analysis and spotting remains of the pesticides. Since lung cancers are not the only ones around, then  I think it's a matter of studying the problem as they did with tobacco to see if stomach cancers have to do something with this remains.

Not only that, the quality is better. I cannot explain in english the chemical process (plus it's not my forte) but it turns out to happen that when you make wine, with pesticides based grapes as a result have less sugar and the quality of the wine is lower.

At simple sight, you can see in the supermarkets that many good looking apples have not taste whatsoever when you compare to the biological ones.

There are other advantages too, different plagues develop resistance to older pesticides, which means you have to increase the amount and variety of pesticides. So I'd say it's not extortionate but paying for quality. Using pheromones of the plagues to keep the plagues away is a more clever, clean, and less prone to plant illness method.

At the beginning Spanish vineyards and overall agriculture were wary to this new methods because no-one was willing to pay the more expensive fruits, where as Morocco (for instance) could sell cheaper tomatoes. But then the Americans, the very pioneers of the pesticides started to come and pay for this kind of products and they're flourishing. I think it's a good idea, and there's a lot if info available in the web to explain why.