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by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Sat May 26, 2007 9:42 am

puroresu wrote:
maguskwt wrote:why are you guys so unforgiven about owen leaving to real...rush did the same when he went to juventus...and came back...
pls explain...i'm a liverpool fan but not from england so i wouldn't know the sentiments there...but in my opinion...he did a very good job at liverpool and had every right to try out his career elsewhere as did rush. his move to newcastle was never really explained properly...maybe he didn't have a choice? considering what newcastle is paying and what we were paying and you don't know what kind of contract requirements he had with real...

I would welcome owen back...we hadn't as good a striker as him since he left...

If Owen would of left a year earlier I would of had no problem. Its the fact he stalled over a contract for months and then we lose him for £8 million. Houiller and the club also needs to accept some blame as Owen should of been sold a year earlier once he refused to sign a contract.

Does that make him a bad player?

Does that mean he wouldn't improve our squad?

by **ConnO'var** » Sat May 26, 2007 9:49 am

Michael is a risk...... His injury record over the last 2 years is shocking... and a massive risk imo....
That's the footballing reason why I think he would be a mistake.

Personally, I cannot find it in my heart to ever forgive him for what he did to us.... twice.
Michael has made it clear by his actions and decisions that LFC is a distant third in his reckoning.... behind his England aspirations and the "almighty dollar" as our new owners might say......

For me, LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB comes 1st and foremost.... but NOT at all costs.... For me, the ends do not always justify the means.... Plus what kind of message does it send to our players if we re-accept him back into the fold after the debarcle....? They would think that it's ok for them to search for greener pastures as LFC will always be the safety net to which they can return should it all go t!ts up....

What are we?.... some kind of spineless, d!ckless husband with a whore for a wife? Get screwed over twice while she "gets her jollys elsewhere", and then roll over and tell her to come and rub us on the belly again whenever she's done with someone else?

This is not about revenge.... far from it.... this is about integrity..... we'd be the laughing stock of the footballing world should we ever decide to take him back...

I thank him for all the good times he's brought to this club..... but it's time to move on.... enough is enough.....

MO made his bed and he needs to sleep in it. The bloody mercenary OWES the barcodes..... And we want to take back a player who'd turn his back on the people who had faith in him and supported him through his injuries??

I think not......

If Rafa took him back, I'd be bitterly disappointed..... I'd still support him on the field coz we're LFC and we support regardless and show a united face to the world..... BUT, internally among us..... he'll forever be an object of revulsion and scorn in my eyes.....

No thanks, Michael..... I told myself that I could understand it when you left for Real Madrid.... but I washed my hands of you entirely when you spurned us for the barcodes......

I'd personally NEVER want you back......

:no

by **puroresu** » Sat May 26, 2007 9:55 am

If any player left Liverpool after being bought for £17 mil, was paid a fortune, only started 17 games in two years due to injuries and then decided to leave for his old club because he could what would he be called?

Owen owes newcastle and he should publically be telling the Newcastle fans that he will stay.

by **Rafa D** » Sat May 26, 2007 9:55 am

ConnO'var wrote:Michael is a risk...... His injury record over the last 2 years is shocking... and a massive risk imo....
That's the footballing reason why I think he would be a mistake.

Personally, I cannot find it in my heart to ever forgive him for what he did to us.... twice.
Michael has made it clear by his actions and decisions that LFC is a distant third in his reckoning.... behind his England aspirations and the "almighty dollar" as our new owners might say......

For me, LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB comes 1st and foremost.... but NOT at all costs.... For me, the ends do not always justify the means.... Plus what kind of message does it send to our players if we re-accept him back into the fold after the debarcle....? They would think that it's ok for them to search for greener pastures as LFC will always be the safety net to which they can return should it all go t!ts up....

What are we?.... some kind of spineless, d!ckless husband with a whore for a wife? Get screwed over twice while she "gets her jollys elsewhere", and then roll over and tell her to come and rub us on the belly again whenever she's done with someone else?

This is not about revenge.... far from it.... this is about integrity..... we'd be the laughing stock of the footballing world should we ever decide to take him back...

I thank him for all the good times he's brought to this club..... but it's time to move on.... enough is enough.....

MO made his bed and he needs to sleep in it. The bloody mercenary OWES the barcodes..... And we want to take back a player who'd turn his back on the people who had faith in him and supported him through his injuries??

I think not......

If Rafa took him back, I'd be bitterly disappointed..... I'd still support him on the field coz we're LFC and we support regardless and show a united face to the world..... BUT, internally among us..... he'll forever be an object of revulsion and scorn in my eyes.....

No thanks, Michael..... I told myself that I could understand it when you left for Real Madrid.... but I washed my hands of you entirely when you spurned us for the barcodes......

I'd personally NEVER want you back......

Perfectly summed up.

Never again do I want to see him in our famous red shirt.

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Sat May 26, 2007 10:22 am

ConnO'var wrote:Michael is a risk...... His injury record over the last 2 years is shocking... and a massive risk imo....
That's the footballing reason why I think he would be a mistake.

What a crock of :censored:

. In the last year he has had ONE injury!

The year before he was at Real Madrid and was fit throughout. And was their top striker for goal per min on pitch.

Peoples judgement are seriously clouded because he left, like many other players do, our great club. Real Madrid was agreat oppourtuntiy for him. They where regarded at the time as the Worlds best club. What proffesional in any walk of life would turn that down. Some do, but most wouldn't.

I want Liverpool to be the best club in Europe again, and to do that you sometimes have to use your brain and not your heart to see what a certain player can provide. Take off your RED tinted glasses and see that Michael Owen would be great for this Liverpool team.

by **ConnO'var** » Sat May 26, 2007 10:49 am

Ola Mr Benitez wrote:
ConnO'var wrote:Michael is a risk...... His injury record over the last 2 years is shocking... and a massive risk imo....
That's the footballing reason why I think he would be a mistake.

What a crock of . In the last year he has had ONE injury!

The year before he was at Real Madrid and was fit throughout. And was their top striker for goal per min on pitch.

Peoples judgement are seriously clouded because he left, like many other players do, our great club. Real Madrid was agreat oppourtuntiy for him. They where regarded at the time as the Worlds best club. What proffesional in any walk of life would turn that down. Some do, but most wouldn't.

I want Liverpool to be the best club in Europe again, and to do that you sometimes have to use your brain and not your heart to see what a certain player can provide. Take off your RED tinted glasses and see that Michael Owen would be great for this Liverpool team.

You may not agree, but that's your right....

You are absolutely right, he's had only one injury last year..... not counting him doing a shoulder when he came back.... but that injury did keep him out for almost the whole year did it not?

If you had a player on the books costing you potentially 80-120K per week, would this not be a cause for concern?

You are also absolutely right that he had few injuries while he was playing for Real Madrid.... I wonder if that could be because he was never a 1st choice there and as such didn't have as much game time and hence was not exposed to the injury risk of the rest of the players....

Or has your blind need for him to return clouded your eyes to the numerous injuries he's had while he was playing for both LFC and England?

Dodgy hamstrings, dodgy knees and all.....

Mate, it's not about rose tinted lenses at all..... Yes, he would be great for the onfield performances of LFC when fit.... the question with MO will always be "when is he fit?"....

Don't let my loathing of him distract from the fact that he is injury prone..... As good as he is, he's injury track record is there whether you like it or not... or at least that has always been my perception of MO and injuries at any rate......

Michael Owen is a class striker.... no one doubts that..... but he's not the only one.... there are others out there.... options like Tevez are available... maybe not for 9 million quid, but there nonetheless....

I would most certainly not want to depend on him getting all the goals for us as theres always a higher risk of him getting injured than another striker out there......

On another note..... he screwed us over twice and people on here screamed bloody murder..... now we are advocating that he screws NUFC over to come back to us?

Not on, mate...... just not on.

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Sat May 26, 2007 11:17 am

Yes, yes.. Michael Owen is ALWAYS unfit.. Only ever plays half a season... More interested in England (?

).. I've heard it all so many times.

I'm not super stat so I do not know for sure, but can anyone get any details on how many games he has played each season since becoming a proffesional. Last season was undouptedly a total write off. It was unfortunate, for him and even more so for NUFC. But to be honest I don't give a toss about Newcastle. (some Liverpool followers seem to be concerned whether they are being treated fairly?).

What I know is that he scores goals, in whatever league he plays in. (No matter how much of the season he missed) We say that he missed "loads" of games for Liverpool, but he was still consistantly our highest goal scorer every season (apart from Heskeys first season, I think?). He has something that a lot of strikers, especially those priced at under 10 million just do not have. A natural ability to be in the right place at the right time, and a natural abilty to score goals.

I agree it would be great to buy someone like Teves (£34 million is the latest rumoured price) or Eto (£30 million) or David Villa (£40 million). But lets be honest, if we spend that kind of money, do you think we will also be able to address the other positions that also need fixing. And if we are all honest we probably need to buy 2 strikers (especially if we het rid of Bellamy, which looks very likely).

I know there is a certain risk to MO, but there is a risk with all our targets, as playing in Spain or France or Holland is like playing a different game to playing in the UK. Look at Morientes, Cisse and Kuyt.

by **The Manhattan Project** » Sat May 26, 2007 11:19 am

Owen stats

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Sat May 26, 2007 11:22 am

Thanks Manhattan..

So games played inthe last 5 yrs are

2002 - 2003 54 (28 goals)
2003 - 2004 38 (19 goals)
2004 - 2005 45 (16 goals)
2005 - 2006 11 (7 goals)
2006 - 2007 3 (0 goals)

Compare thst to our very own Peter Crouch

at Liverpool so far he has played

2005 - 2006 49 (13 goals)
2006 - 2007 47 (18 goals)

his goals per game is excellent, but he hasn't played as much as you would expect has he. In fact a comparable amount of games to MO

by **ConnO'var** » Sat May 26, 2007 11:47 am

Ola Mr Benitez wrote:Thanks Manhattan..

So games played inthe last 5 yrs are

2002 - 2003 54 (28 goals)
2003 - 2004 38 (19 goals)
2004 - 2005 45 (16 goals)
2005 - 2006 11 (7 goals)
2006 - 2007 3 (0 goals)

Compare thst to our very own Peter Crouch

at Liverpool so far he has played

2005 - 2006 49 (13 goals)
2006 - 2007 47 (18 goals)

his goals per game is excellent, but he hasn't played as much as you would expect has he. In fact a comparable amount of games to MO

Yup..... good stats...

As I've stated, no one doubts his ability.....
Look closely however, and you'll see the number of games he's played is on an average decreasing trend since 2002.....

The last 2 years is especially a concern....

As far as the crouch comparison.... Crouch will never be as good as MO in terms of goalscoring abilities.... but IMHO, this comparison does not hold water, simply because Peter is not Rafa's 1st choice striker..... He's not played as many games not because he's injured all the time.....

I say again, he's not Rafa's 1st choice.... not even when he was banging them in..... he makes quite a few substitute appearances... but these days, seldom starts...

by **tubby** » Sat May 26, 2007 1:37 pm

Im not so sure about the injury problem. Obviously he would have to undergo a tough medical to see where hes at but wasnt Craig Bellamy always suffering from injury at Newcastle? (what is it with that :censored:

club & injuries).

As far as Crouchs recent record goes I think its unfair to try and compare his record to Owens as purley Owens been injured this last few yeas and Crouchy has only recently improved his game. Fair play that he has done but I think you cant really compare the 2.

If you offered me Crouchy and Owen in a swap now if take MO back in a heartbeat. Hes a predator around goal and im sure under Rafa if he was injury free he could be our 20 goal a season man again.

by **kunilson** » Sat May 26, 2007 2:22 pm

well a night of ruining my brain with fluids.....and this topic is now 7 pages long.
michael owen and liverpool are being mentioned together in the press....talks of a transfer and it could be a possibility he comes back....good or bad thing i dont know. dont want another sicknote player but he would be useful to us if he came back and managed to stay fit.....still dont forgive him yet..but that doesnt matter theres no i in LFC

by **LFC2007** » Sat May 26, 2007 2:28 pm

puroresu wrote:If Owen would of left a year earlier I would of had no problem.

If he'd left a year earlier we may not have qualified for the champions league for the following season, then there may have been no Istanbul :upside:

by **NANNY RED** » Sat May 26, 2007 2:32 pm

Rafa-Dodd wrote:Nah not for me Sabre lad, I've washed me hands of him.

He was not the only one who was tempted to go BUT he was the only one who didn't give Rafa a chance.

Plus he ran down his contract on purpose, even though we had looked after him all his life. He was our own golden boy. At least Ashley Cole had the decency to sign a new contract with Arsenal even though he didn't want to be there, so that Arsenal wouldn't get shafted with a free transfer or a sh.itty fee for him.

Owen couldn't even do that.

At the time he was a European Player of the Year winner and worth around £25m - £30m, we got £8m, Nunez and a packet of M&M's.

couldnt have said it any better myself rafa, owen didnt give benitez a chance, wanted to go on to bigger things and win trophys well who won the trophys? If we wernt good enough for im then why now, he should have believed in what rafa was trying to do and stayed loyal. Keep your check book out of newcastle rafa and go on to pastures new

by **kingred** » Sun May 27, 2007 8:56 am

hes on his way back thats why he isnt saying much about a move hes been told to keep his mouth shut sheppard asked him to show to the fans he wanted to stat but he blanked him gods gone mike back

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