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by **madred** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 1:36 am

What frustrates me is if we had gone through Gerrard Houllier style and played for 180 mins mostly behind the ball then you could understand the stick but ffs this idiot doesn't deserve the right to sit in a chair and give his manc blinkered views on Liverpool. Saying Gerrard being world class a myth? That's just the most stupid thing i have ever heard a pundit say. The only criticism they all should have is what we all know. We are shooting ourselves in the feet with poor finishing. If the Mancs, Chelsea or Arsenal had done that job over Barca god they'd all be milking it. Knobs.

by **Dalglish** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:03 am

Some people shouldn't speak on an empty head but Dunphy has made a career on RTE of doing just that

The man's a joke but you have to say highly entertaining

by **The Manhattan Project** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:04 am

All that matters is who wins.

If we play in a way that doesn't inspire BBC Eire's pundits, then fook it.

If that brings us a sixth gold star on the badge, then I can live with that.

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:43 am

A great result over the two legs, to knock supposedly the best team out of Europe.

I just read the reaction from those Irish pundits on the link above. It pis.sed me off to hear what Liam Brady and the other idiot said. Gerrard myth Alonso myth, to be sure to be sure hey guys. I think when something pis.ses you off though is usually because it may have some truth in it and thats what gets to you, or me anyway.

I'd have to agree slightly that we really didnt play football in the second half. Watching it in all honesty had and air of Ingerland about it. Now I'm not knocking tthe result or performance, not at all. Especially in the second half we constantly played the long ball. I believe we continued to do this and this is my honest opinion, because our players were to scared to put their foot on the ball, take their time look up and pass the ball to a fellow teamate. I dont think the players did this out of respect, but more panic. If that had been Bolton, Watford or any other prem team our boys would of been playing "football" around them, (with the odd long ball). But the players would of had the confidence in themselves to hog the ball, run with it, pass it to a teamate and trust him to keep possesion.

And lets face it, its probably harder to play football around an English team than it is a continental one. Because the prem players dont allow you the time on the ball, their snapping at your heels. Thats hardly Barcalona is it ! So what those Paddy's said in a way may have been slightly true.
But they critisised out second half performance, what about the first ?

The first half (in every game) effected the way the second half would pan out. In the first half we had more shots than them and were more of a threat. Didnt we hit the wood work twice, have an effort saved off the line ?
It wasnt for the want of trying, and maybe if we had scored one or even better two. We'd have probably grown in confidence, and the players could of trusted eachother more in possesion and knock the ball about (short passes). But it didnt, so the inevitable will happen in the second half,knowing Barca need two, we've missed a host of chances in the first half . The pressure will build, so this will result in the kind of second half we saw. I will pose one thing at the end of this........ To me that performance had a Gerard Houllier-esk performance about it, hard working, defending with grit, and knocking long balls, looking for a quick outlet to Bellamy instead of Owen. People moaned about that towards the end of Houlliers days, but we dont really here a murmur of that now do we ?

I would like us to try and play football, and score more goals but believe it or not they can be big asks in football at times and I would gladly take hard work as a foundation to build. The players last night worked their socks off. And I must say the fans were magnificent, I salute you without the fans that could of easily been a different result.
Jamie Carragher yet again MOm, f.ucking excellent defender, wouldnt swap him for ANYONE. Also Finnan had an excelllent game, another very good defender, well in lads.

BM

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by **Effes** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:19 am

s@int wrote:A great result over the two legs, to knock supposedly the best team out of Europe.

I just read the reaction from those Irish pundits on the link above. It pis.sed me off to hear what Liam Brady and the other idiot said. Gerrard myth Alonso myth, to be sure to be sure hey guys. I think when something pis.ses you off though is usually because it may have some truth in it and thats what gets to you, or me anyway.

I'd have to agree slightly that we really didnt play football in the second half. Watching it in all honesty had and air of Ingerland about it. Now I'm not knocking tthe result or performance, not at all. Especially in the second half we constantly played the long ball. I believe we continued to do this and this is my honest opinion, because our players were to scared to put their foot on the ball, take their time look up and pass the ball to a fellow teamate. I dont think the players did this out of respect, but more panic. If that had been Bolton, Watford or any other prem team our boys would of been playing "football" around them, (with the odd long ball). But the players would of had the confidence in themselves to hog the ball, run with it, pass it to a teamate and trust him to keep possesion.

And lets face it, its probably harder to play football around an English team than it is a continental one. Because the prem players dont allow you the time on the ball, their snapping at your heels. Thats hardly Barcalona is it ! So what those Paddy's said in a way may have been slightly true.
But they critisised out second half performance, what about the first ?

The first half (in every game) effected the way the second half would pan out. In the first half we had more shots than them and were more of a threat. Didnt we hit the wood work twice, have an effort saved off the line ?
It wasnt for the want of trying, and maybe if we had scored one or even better two. We'd have probably grown in confidence, and the players could of trusted eachother more in possesion and knock the ball about (short passes). But it didnt, so the inevitable will happen in the second half,knowing Barca need two, we've missed a host of chances in the first half . The pressure will build, so this will result in the kind of second half we saw. I will pose one thing at the end of this........ To me that performance had a Gerard Houllier-esk performance about it, hard working, defending with grit, and knocking long balls, looking for a quick outlet to Bellamy instead of Owen. People moaned about that towards the end of Houlliers days, but we dont really here a murmur of that now do we ?

I would like us to try and play football, and score more goals but believe it or not they can be big asks in football at times and I would gladly take hard work as a foundation to build. The players last night worked their socks off. And I must say the fans were magnificent, I salute you without the fans that could of easily been a different result.
Jamie Carragher yet again MOm, f.ucking excellent defender, wouldnt swap him for ANYONE. Also Finnan had an excelllent game, another very good defender, well in lads.

BM

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by **tubby** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:56 am

stmichael wrote:highlights, including the sensational YNWA with barca fans from before the game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiIlGt_bYuU

quality video mate bus has anyone got ynwa being sung after the match?

by **stmichael** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:43 am

Hahahahaha. After last night I just have to refer back to that idiot Dunphy's comments.

You stupid c#nts, maybe you should have waited till your beloved Manc C#NTS limped past some f#cking shitbag team from the Land That Gave Us Chimney Cheyrou.

"Dis is the fookin Champions League" he says "To see liverpool fail to live up to their reputation against a Barcelona team" hahaha like the Almighty Scum whipped some stupid f#cking team that won f#ck all.

Then he takes the pi$$ out Gerrard and Alonso - like the mighty Manc midfield turned mountains into sand against the MIGHTY LILLE.

hahahahaha

"Found out nothing player" my my get yer boots on and win the FA Cup from FORTY YARDS, you alkie ba$tard. HAVE SOME F#CKING RESPECT. He lifted big ears, what's yer man Carrick done besides costing some banker 30% over 20 years.

Call me when Rooney or Ronaldo score in the Champions league.

Stupid c#nt.

by **Ciggy** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:45 am

The mancs are fuming aswell he called them for everything last night, said they where useless they where like but he did critise them not as bad us they did us though.

by **Woollyback** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:09 pm

"Gerrard was found out tonight - he's a nothing player" - Eamon Dunphy

I watched that 2 hours ago and I've only just stopped laughing enough to be able to type :laugh:

The man is either a comedy genius or the biggest bellend ever to appear on TV (Jade Goody included) :laugh:

by **stmichael** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:53 pm

Woollyback wrote:"Gerrard was found out tonight - he's a nothing player" - Eamon Dunphy

I watched that 2 hours ago and I've only just stopped laughing enough to be able to type The man is either a comedy genius or the biggest bellend ever to appear on TV (Jade Goody included)

The guy is nothing more than a f#cking soundbite these days. Although there can be elements of truth in what he says he ruins all that by surrounding it with obscene sh#te that undoes whatever credibility he has. The best thing in the world for us to have been tipped to go out by Dunphy. And just remember that he's now tipping the Mancs who he'd described as a joke earlier in the season, take what this lad says with a pinch of salt, he's a ratings magnet nothing more. And to say Gerrard is a 'nothing player' is nothing short of delusional, by that rational Eamon you'd have to conclude the very same about Ronaldinho, Eto'o, Messi, Deco, Xavi, etc....

In fairness to Giles he wasn't far off the mark! We were awful in possession in the 2nd half and a lot of people on here were saying the same after the game even in the euphoria. Great defensively but we were pi$$ poor in possession in the 2nd half especially. The fact is we were playin the best open play team in the world and if you let the game open up against them then you're screwed, these lads don't seem to be able to acknowledge that because they're all purists and want to see the game played on the deck at all costs, so we were right to keep it tight but I'd have still liked to see more controlled possession when we had the ball and Rafa said as much afterwards.

by **Emerald Red** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:38 pm

s@int wrote:So what those Paddy's said in a way may have been slightly true.

I'm Irish and I'm not quite sure what way to take that. Usually the term "Paddy" or "Mick" is regarded as a racial slur.

I'm new to these forums and I'm hoping it's a hospitable place.

Now, regarding Duncy's comments on RTE, well, what do you expect? I'm not surprised. In fact, I'd be surprised if any of the pundits even know what day of the week it is, or even where they are, when they are sitting in those chairs making those comments. They have been sucking Mancunian :censored:

for years now, and it's not about to stop any time soon either. I wouldn't take heed of anything that comes out of their mouths as it tends to be just gibberish of the highest kind, and sometimes even comical.

by **Hristo Forever** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:42 pm

Hello guys. First at all, Congratulations!!! I am a Barça supporter and and I am not happy with the result, of course, but I have to say that Liverpool played a very very intelligent match. The great Rafa Benitez Knows were we are dangerous (playing in the middle with Xavi and Iniesta).
Enjoy this victory, because if we play the next year again Barça will pass!! haha.
Best regards for all of you.
PD. Please don't let Chelsea win the Champions League!! this year is yours, go red!!
Visca Barça, Forza Puyol!!
Javi

by **Anfield rapper** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:41 pm

madred wrote:Don't know if this has been posted yet but i was in total shock when watching this. What a clueless idiot this guy is.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHTM-abNEyk

Good god, that has to be the poorest analysis of a football match i've ever seen. "Gerrard was found out" what an absolutely stupid statement to make. That bloke clearly doesn't know a thing about football. I would have thought it would have been fairly f~cking obvious why we were playing a counter attacking game in the second half. We went to Barca where o English club has won since us in the 70's so we had to be prepared to defend anything else would have been suicide. Then at Anfield Barca had to attack. I managed to work that out from the fact the started with 3 strikers. What does the drunken Irish man expect us to do? attack flat out? Luckily Benitez has more sense and while playing an attacking game also considered the fact they needed to win 2-0 and so gave some thought to the defence.

by **Bad Bob** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:53 pm

madred wrote:Don't know if this has been posted yet but i was in total shock when watching this. What a clueless idiot this guy is.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHTM-abNEyk

I've just seen this and it's wound me right up, I'm afraid. Bias is one thing but this is pure bile--outright lies designed to make us look like some Ale League team rather than the five time champions of Europe.

Let's look at the rubbish spewed...

1) We were terrible second half

Were we? Were we f.uck! Not in the match I was watching. We carved out at least as many decent chances as Barca in the 2nd half and had more shots and shots on goal than they did. Gerrard's cross to Kuyt/Bellamy was a sublime move that should have produced a goal. Pennant's run and cross to Crouch likewise. Stevie surged forward and had three decent shots on goal himself...the last forcing a decent save from Valdez. I know Barca dominated possession but they do that with everyone and I'm sorry but, intricate passing in their own half between Xavi, Marquez and Puyol does not constitute amazing football in my book. Based on real chances alone, we won the second half as well as the first.

2) Gerrard's been found out

Wind your neck in a.sshole. :no

Stevie did everything a world class midfielder should: he got forward, made chances for others and created several of his own (had he had his shooting boots on, the result could have been very different). He also tracked back and helped out on Eto'o, Ronaldinho and Messi down the right. He also tracked into the middle to trouble Deco, Xavi and Iniesta. Did Ronaldinho track back to help in defense? Didn't think so. Class performance from a world class player.

3) Alonso was non-existent

That's why Barca cut us to ribbons through the middle and scored for fun right? What, they didn't and were frustrated at every turn? Who foiled their free-flowing football, I wonder? Sissoko played a huge part but so did Alonso who continually does the hard work in the trenches that often goes un-noticed but is usually the difference between success and failure against top teams. Ask Paul Scholes how non-existent Alonso is in these type of games.

4) Sissoko gave the ball away too much

Well, they got that right but that's hardly news is it? He gives the ball away too much against the likes Fulham so what would you expect against Barcelona? Great analysis, that.

5) Barca weren't up for it

Really? They seemed rather gutted to me at the end and their comments since the defeat suggest that they had more than a little bit riding on this tie. There's no chance in hell that a top team--esp. the defending champs--is simply going to roll over at the first knockout stage and say put us out, please, we're not interested. They didn't look interested because we broke up their play, frustrated them, and they didn't know how to respond. They're used to samba football. Stop that from happening and yet get the hands on hips routine and petulent kicks from Rondaldinho.

6) This was an affront to football because Liverpool offered absolutely nothing but "hard work"

So, working hard, being organized, biting into tackles and generally imposing yourself on a game is a bad thing now? It's not like we kicked lumps out of them or anything...we put pressure on the ball and defended like lions. From where I was sat, it was beautiful to watch. And, I'll say it again, we got forward and created chances in both halves. In injury time we carved out 3 good goal scoring chances rather than running the ball into the corner and time wasting. What's the problem? Sure, I like to watch pass and move football too but I also like to watch powerful, direct counter-attacking football. I thought it was a great showcase for differing styles of play and I thought we played the game in the right spirit. To hear these guys talk, we parked the bus in front of the goal, put 11 men behind the ball and kicked Barca up in the air every chance we got. Complete and utter tosh. Besides--and I say this, in all honesty, meaning no offence to our Irish members on this board but--since when were the Irish the standard-bearers for beautiful pass-and-move football? I would expect this kind of moaning from the Catalan press, not from Irish pundits. These are the lads who lionize Roy Keane FFS--hardly the ambassador for pass-and-move football.

7) Liverpool lacked moral courage in the 2nd half

Utter wan.k. As I've already said, we played some decent football in the second half and got forward whenever we could. Sure, we lumped a few balls out of defense to clear our lines but, FFS, we were playing the most dangerous attacking team in the world. You don't phaff about with intricate 1-2s at the edge of the box against Barcelona! I think the performance the lads put in epitomized moral courage...especially when we conceded a goal with 15 minutes to go. Some teams would have crumbled and coughed up the killer second goal straight away. We kept our nerve and, really, prevented them from troubling us for the better part of the last ten minutes. Lacked moral courage...do me a feckin' favour. :angry:

Bit of a rant here, I recognize, but this 'analysis' has really gotten on my t!ts. Ratings are one thing but even 'colourful' pundits need to gesture at fair and balanced assessment now and again. If Liverpool were getting the credit they deserve from others, I wouldn't be so miffed but this is just the final straw. WE OUT-PLAYED THE BEST TEAM IN WORLD FOOTBALL FOR THE BETTER PART OF 180+ MINUTES OF FOOTBALL. GIVE US SOME RESPECT, FFS!!! :veryangry

Rant over.

by **Emerald Red** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:30 pm

As I said, I wouldn't pay attention to anything the Dumpster says, as he talks cack at even the best of tmes.

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