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by **tubby** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:04 pm

Not at all mate. This club has already earned the respect with all its heritage. If you think investment = lose of respect then you are clearly deluded and should :censored:

of anyway.

Try to think of it from a business point of view. Would you rather we just slip further behind next season but keep our "souls"? Its painfull enoigh as it is watchingus play at times this season.

There can never be comparisoms with Chelsea because even if we had that sort of moey do you think thats how Rafa would spend? Idiot

by **67-1161385641** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:16 pm

I'd rather us slip into the relegation zone, if it means retaining the respect we have earned over the years. I do not want us becoming a brand name; the badge shouldn't be thrown about like the Adidas badge. I bet these Dubai lads have started supporting Liverpool since June 2005, a bit like you it would seem. We are not a business, that's the thing WE ARE A CLUB. Rafa would spend the money, I'm sure of it. The only reason he doesn't splash the cash is because he has been working with a shoe string budget. So don't mouth off you silly nobody and from reading your posts, it's quite clearly you spend your days playing football Sims and know :censored:

all about the club. Arsenal doesn’t have money, but look at what they've achieved.

by **BOODIDDY** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:25 pm

your talking :censored:

charmless. What's wrong with moving forward? We have to move on we have a great grounding in world footbal and with our base can be on a par with madrid and utd. we must move forward and become as big off the pitch as we are on it.

by **67-1161385641** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:30 pm

BOODIDDY wrote:your talking charmless. What's wrong with moving forward? We have to move on we have a great grounding in world footbal and with our base can be on a par with madrid and utd. we must move forward and become as big off the pitch as we are on it.

We're big on the pitch are we? I don't think so we haven't won the league in nearly two decades, it will be much sweeter if we won it through generating our own money to purchase players than having some :censored:

from Dubai pumping x amounts of millions into the club. It's not right no matter how people try and cover it up. Why do we need to become a global brand? I don't want to go on holiday and see Liverpool shirts everywhere and then here people saying "the Liver bird is a trend'. It's disgusting that football is all about what goes on off the pitch and not on the pitch.

by **tubby** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:30 pm

CharmlessMan wrote:I'd rather us slip into the relegation zone, if it means retaining the respect we have earned over the years. I do not want us becoming a brand name; the badge shouldn't be thrown about like the Adidas badge. I bet these Dubai lads have started supporting Liverpool since June 2005, a bit like you it would seem. We are not a business, that's the thing WE ARE A CLUB. Rafa would spend the money, I'm sure of it. The only reason he doesn't splash the cash is because he has been working with a shoe string budget. So don't mouth off you silly nobody and from reading your posts, it's quite clearly you spend your days playing football Sims and know all about the club. Arsenal doesn’t have money, but look at what they've achieved.

of scum bag go back to the bitter forum!!!

Your talking out of your :censored:

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by **tubby** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:31 pm

CharmlessMan wrote:
BOODIDDY wrote:your talking charmless. What's wrong with moving forward? We have to move on we have a great grounding in world footbal and with our base can be on a par with madrid and utd. we must move forward and become as big off the pitch as we are on it.

We're big on the pitch are we? I don't think so we haven't won the league in nearly two decades, it will be much sweeter if we won it through generating our own money to purchase players than having some from Dubai pumping x amounts of millions into the club. It's not right no matter how people try and cover it up. Why do we need to become a global brand? I don't want to go on holiday and see Liverpool shirts everywhere and then here people saying "the Liver bird is a trend'. It's disgusting that football is all about what goes on off the pitch and not on the pitch.

So how do you propse we generate out "own" money if were lying near the relegation zone;.

idiot

by **67-1161385641** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:35 pm

No, I'm a firm believer in Bill Shankly's philosophy of Hard work and Honesty = success, Arsene Wenger has shown you don't need to spend millions of players to win trophies and his side has been more successful in ten years than ours has in about fourteen years. Call me a scumbag all you like, but there is absolutely no need for investment whatsoever, if the players knew how to perform week in week out, we could win the league. You can sign all the players you like it doesn't guarantee success.

by **tubby** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:38 pm

CharmlessMan wrote:No, I'm a firm believer in Bill Shankly's philosophy of Hard work and Honesty = success, Arsene Wenger has shown you don't need to spend millions of players to win trophies and his side has been more successful in ten years than ours has in about fourteen years. Call me a scumbag all you like, but there is absolutely no need for investment whatsoever, if the players knew how to perform week in week out, we could win the league. You can sign all the players you like it doesn't guarantee success.

Did it evr occur to you that maybe we dont have enough quality players to complete this task?

Which means what, we have to buy more right?

Anyway i dont know why im even arguing here the investment is coming and thats all there is to it.

If your going to stop supporting the club because they can financially compete with the other big teams then feck of.

by **67-1161385641** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:41 pm

bavlondon wrote:So how do you propse we generate out "own" money if were lying near the relegation zone;.

idiot

We won't go anywhere near the relegation zone. We generate our own money over a period of time, the reason people like you want investment is because you cannot wait for the league title and you're happy for our club to do a Chelsea just so you can brag to your mates about us winning trophies instantly, you obviously aren't prepared to wait and you would happily let Moores sell the clubs soul for the sake of a few trophies. Is there any need for the insults? Or you just another mouthy OTT? I can't be bothered to reply to you, mate, your just a mouthy get who hasn't got a clue about Liverpool or football, your posts are dire and you're highly ignorant, do one and get a clue.

by **tubby** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:43 pm

CharmlessMan wrote:
bavlondon wrote:So how do you propse we generate out "own" money if were lying near the relegation zone;.

idiot

We won't go anywhere near the relegation zone. We generate our own money over a period of time, the reason people like you want investment is because you cannot wait for the league title and you're happy for our club to do a Chelsea just so you can brag to your mates about us winning trophies instantly, you obviously aren't prepared to wait and you would happily let Moores sell the clubs soul for the sake of a few trophies. Is there any need for the insults? Or you just another mouthy OTT? I can't be bothered to reply to you, mate, your just a mouthy get who hasn't got a clue about Liverpool or football, your posts are dire and you're highly ignorant, do one and get a clue.

Please elaborate more on how we are to "generate our ow money"

Im intriuged to know how we should go abouts doing this.

by **67-1161385641** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:47 pm

How we have been doing it over the past 100 years, we don't need investment to compete with United or Chelsea, Arsenal have shown this, you can get good players and make a great team without having to spend silly money. The fact you cannot see this just shows you are just another sky sports/champ manager fan. Investment to win things is a myth. Anyway I'll wait for someone who isn't a mouthy get to reply, feel free to debate with someone who respects your opinion; because I did up until you thought you'd act like a gangster on the old keyboard.

by **tubby** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:52 pm

CharmlessMan wrote:How we have been doing it over the past 100 years, we don't need investment to compete with United or Chelsea, Arsenal have shown this, you can get good players and make a great team without having to spend silly money. The fact you cannot see this just shows you are just another sky sports/champ manager fan. Investment to win things is a myth. Anyway I'll wait for someone who isn't a mouthy get to reply, feel free to debate with someone who respects your opinion; because I did up until you thought you'd act like a gangster on the old keyboard.

Yes that is true to a point but you have to remember that we have also been getting into 80m debt these past few years.

As it stands we are barley able to generate 20-25Mil each season for Rafa and that is also taking into account juggling players from sales ect...

And although I think we are a better side this season we are stil way behind the likes of Utd and Chelsea in terms of squad depth.

And the only way to solve that is to imrpove the squad and this cannot be done without the investment.

by **The_Rock** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 6:24 pm

Finally.......time to get alves in jan. I wouldn't mind a hamann type anchor-man too.

http://www.eatsleepsport.com/news_de....t_id=44

http://www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php/topic,1445.0.html

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 6:28 pm

Moores will probably change his mind again now we have won !!!

Seriously, it is hopefully great news for the club. This has hung over our heads for too long. Hopefully Liverpool can now get back to what we are best at, winning leagues and cups.

by **red37** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 6:40 pm

CharmlessMan wrote:How we have been doing it over the past 100 years, we don't need investment to compete with United or Chelsea, Arsenal have shown this, you can get good players and make a great team without having to spend silly money. The fact you cannot see this just shows you are just another sky sports/champ manager fan. Investment to win things is a myth. Anyway I'll wait for someone who isn't a mouthy get to reply, feel free to debate with someone who respects your opinion; because I did up until you thought you'd act like a gangster on the old keyboard.

charmless, as sad as it seems. and in respect for your value of the clubs heritage. (which i fully concur with). This is the only way forward from here. Strip everything down to the bone and you'll eventually come to accept that. Dont look upon these matters with such pessimism, im absolutely certain Moores isnt going to sail off into the great beyond without first ensuring the clubs future. Ok, the family silver has effectively been flogged to the highest bidder....that though doesn't mean there wont be more of the same, with due care and the correct handling of the transition. The days where loyalty and sound principles have long since been replaced by greed and the raising of the 'bar' footballing-wise. it is the only viable solution, for competing in the modern game at its very highest level. And the measure of our ambition towards that.

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