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by **A.B.** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:58 pm

There's too much b#llocks that has been posted here.

Some of you actually believe that the reason Gerrard has been :censored:

is because he's playing on the right. When it isn't the case by any means, he's just been :censored:

by his high world class standards. It has nothing to do with where he's playing because he's played in the center of the park before this season [against Blackburn as Rafa acknowledged in an article] where he played poorely.

After that match a journalist asked Rafa why he played Gerrard in the center and not on the right?

It wasn't too long ago when certain posters here claimed that Gerrard and Alonso couldn't play together in the center of the park.

Nobody was complaining last season about Gerrard's position but because things aren't going well then it's because Gerrard is on the right. That isn't the case, he just has had his head up his :censored:

so far.

Couldn't give a feck whether he's happy or not playing in a certain position, he's the most verstatile player in the world and can play in any outfield position without any problems.

He's not given a role as a winger on the right but a license to roam. The problem is tha the hasn't been doing what he's instructed to do. He hasn't been making runs that he was making last season in the very damn position he's been playing for the past 12 months.

by **jimbobjoe** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:59 pm

i do believer that we sould put gerrard centre midfield but it is not tht much of an offesive postition for him,i meen i love livepool but i cant

by **67-1161385641** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:34 pm

weringo wrote:Pennant isnt young, hes nearly 24. Way before that time you can tell whether he will be a decent player some day.

"Confidence at this level to perform"?
He was at Arsenal for about 3 years who are arguebly at a higher level than us. Wenger isnt known for letting talent slip away from him unless he gets a very good price.

Twenty four by my books is young, if he was twenty eight or twenty nine, you'd have a valid point, he can still drastically improve as a player within the next few years, players (bar the odd exception) usually play their best football (peak is some people's words) when they are around the twenty eight mark.

Its true my friend, confidence helps a lot, when you are confident about something you will naturally excel in that particular aspect, it's the same in football.

He spent three years at Arsenal being shoved out on loan to lower league opposition, such as Watford, Leeds and Birmingham. In all honesty he didn't really establish himself until last season at Birmingham, so he has a lot to learn and I'm confidence he will improve.

Arsene Wenger doesn't like English talent; it's a known fact, why did he get rid of Bentley? Bentley is a class talent, that Justin Hoyte won't last long at Arsenal, mark my words, he'll be sold as soon as Arsene finds another French left back.

by **jimbobjoe** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:36 pm

i agree,like where were we going with a full squad,behind a manger i think we have a champions league spot+and i think we can sign players

by **67-1161385641** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:36 pm

A.B. wrote:There's too much b#llocks that has been posted here.

Some of you actually believe that the reason Gerrard has been is because he's playing on the right. When it isn't the case by any means, he's just been by his high world class standards. It has nothing to do with where he's playing because he's played in the center of the park before this season [against Blackburn as Rafa acknowledged in an article] where he played poorely.

After that match a journalist asked Rafa why he played Gerrard in the center and not on the right?

It wasn't too long ago when certain posters here claimed that Gerrard and Alonso couldn't play together in the center of the park.

Nobody was complaining last season about Gerrard's position but because things aren't going well then it's because Gerrard is on the right. That isn't the case, he just has had his head up his so far.

Couldn't give a feck whether he's happy or not playing in a certain position, he's the most verstatile player in the world and can play in any outfield position without any problems.

He's not given a role as a winger on the right but a license to roam. The problem is tha the hasn't been doing what he's instructed to do. He hasn't been making runs that he was making last season in the very damn position he's been playing for the past 12 months.

Spot on, Istanbul was evidence that Alonso and Gerrard cannot play together, they left a massive gap for Pirlo and Kaka to exploit and they did just that.

by **A.B.** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:39 pm

CharmlessMan wrote:
weringo wrote:Pennant isnt young, hes nearly 24. Way before that time you can tell whether he will be a decent player some day.

"Confidence at this level to perform"?
He was at Arsenal for about 3 years who are arguebly at a higher level than us. Wenger isnt known for letting talent slip away from him unless he gets a very good price.

Twenty four by my books is young, if he was twenty eight or twenty nine, you'd have a valid point, he can still drastically improve as a player within the next few years, players (bar the odd exception) usually play their best football (peak is some people's words) when they are around the twenty eight mark.

Its true my friend, confidence helps a lot, when you are confident about something you will naturally excel in that particular aspect, it's the same in football.

He spent three years at Arsenal being shoved out on loan to lower league opposition, such as Watford, Leeds and Birmingham. In all honesty he didn't really establish himself until last season at Birmingham, so he has a lot to learn and I'm confidence he will improve.

Arsene Wenger doesn't like English talent; it's a known fact, why did he get rid of Bentley? Bentley is a class talent, that Justin Hoyte won't last long at Arsenal, mark my words, he'll be sold as soon as Arsene finds another French left back.

Pennant is 22, he'll be 23 in January.

Spot on, Istanbul was evidence that Alonso and Gerrard cannot play together, they left a massive gap for Pirlo and Kaka to exploit and they did just that.

Well said, they needed ballance and Hamann provided that in the second-half. Sissoko gives us that now which is why Gerrard isn't playing in the center but on the right.

by **67-1161385641** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:47 pm

Is he? That's even better then, I just went by the age Weringo gave me.

As for the Alonso and Gerrard partnership, there could be a case argued that Alonso is a lot more defensive these days than what he was like in May 2005, so perhaps it could work, but to me the strongest midfield pairing is Sissoko and Alonso. Some people have suggested the possibility of Sissoko and Gerrard, but I cannot see that working, to me they would congest the centre of the park and undermine the tactics, shape and formation of the team.

by **weringo** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:05 am

A.B. wrote:
CharmlessMan wrote:
weringo wrote:Pennant isnt young, hes nearly 24. Way before that time you can tell whether he will be a decent player some day.

"Confidence at this level to perform"?
He was at Arsenal for about 3 years who are arguebly at a higher level than us. Wenger isnt known for letting talent slip away from him unless he gets a very good price.

Twenty four by my books is young, if he was twenty eight or twenty nine, you'd have a valid point, he can still drastically improve as a player within the next few years, players (bar the odd exception) usually play their best football (peak is some people's words) when they are around the twenty eight mark.

Its true my friend, confidence helps a lot, when you are confident about something you will naturally excel in that particular aspect, it's the same in football.

He spent three years at Arsenal being shoved out on loan to lower league opposition, such as Watford, Leeds and Birmingham. In all honesty he didn't really establish himself until last season at Birmingham, so he has a lot to learn and I'm confidence he will improve.

Arsene Wenger doesn't like English talent; it's a known fact, why did he get rid of Bentley? Bentley is a class talent, that Justin Hoyte won't last long at Arsenal, mark my words, he'll be sold as soon as Arsene finds another French left back.

Pennant is 22, he'll be 23 in January.

Pennant is 23, check your facts

by **67-1161385641** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:11 am

Jermaine is 23, he'll be 24 in January.

by **luvliverpool** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:24 am

bavlondon wrote:
lfc-all-my-life wrote:he is wasting time at liverpool,we would get a good 10 million for him and i dont think we need a genuine goalscorer like him atm,

centre midfield not his postition,i would know because i watch every liverpool game and i know more about any1 here

10M for Gerrard? What f.uckin planet are you on mate?

F.uck of to the scum forum mullet head.

HAHAHA Quality!!

I couldn't of put it b8r myself

by **66-1112520797** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:33 am

Some of you actually believe that the reason Gerrard has been is because he's playing on the right. When it isn't the case by any means, he's just been by his high world class standards. It has nothing to do with where he's playing because he's played in the center of the park before this season [against Blackburn as Rafa acknowledged in an article] where he played poorely

I'd agree that Gerrard isnt on top form and although moving him back to the middle wont instantly get him back to his high standards, I think his form will come good given a decent run in the middle for a period of games. What isnt helping his form out wide is that he's becoming way to isolated and he's hardly seeing the ball to have any impact on the games. Yes he didnt have the best of games against Blackburn in the middle but thats one game FFS hows he expected to find form after one match in the middle.

It wasn't too long ago when certain posters here claimed that Gerrard and Alonso couldn't play together in the center of the park

Not guilty ......... I'd love to see the pair of them play together for a sustained period of time, in theory they compliment eachother perfectly and IMO it should be given a chance.

Nobody was complaining last season about Gerrard's position but because things aren't going well then it's because Gerrard is on the right. That isn't the case, he just has had his head up his so far.

I agree nobody was complaining, but thats last season this season it isnt happening for him or Rafa out wide hense the reason why people want him back in HIS BEST position.

Couldn't give a feck whether he's happy or not playing in a certain position, he's the most verstatile player in the world and can play in any outfield position without any problems.

Firstly I could give a feck if he's happy or not, an unhappy Gerrard is no good to no-one. The worst case scenario is it may resort in Gerrard looking for another club then I doubt you'd be saying the same thing. No one man is bigger than the club that is true, but we have arguably the best midfileder in the world and if he's not happy well.......... The team should be built around him IMO and I'm sure Rafa has said that before.

" He's the most versatile player in the world and can play in any outfield position without a problem"

Christ, that sentence has an air of Sven Goran Ericksson about it, nuff said.

by **A.B.** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 5:38 am

I'd agree that Gerrard isnt on top form and although moving him back to the middle wont instantly get him back to his high standards, I think his form will come good given a decent run in the middle for a period of games. What isnt helping his form out wide is that he's becoming way to isolated and he's hardly seeing the ball to have any impact on the games.

Getting isolated? Of course he's getting isolated, he hasn't kept any discipline in his game at all when he's played on the right. He hasn't taken on players when he's had the ball and he hasn't tried hard enough to get the ball and impose himself on the game. That's his fault not the fact that he's playing on the right.

es he didnt have the best of games against Blackburn in the middle but thats one game FFS hows he expected to find form after one match in the middle.

You make it sound like that he hasn't played for 25 years in the middle of the park. If he starts in the center he'll do the same thing, drift all over the place which is fine. He did that last year when he was on the right and in the center. It doesn't matter, he has the license to roam but he isn't using it.

I agree nobody was complaining, but thats last season this season it isnt happening for him or Rafa out wide hense the reason why people want him back in HIS BEST position.

It isn't happening for him PERIOD. It has nothing to do with him playing on the right, he's not playing well period. He scored more goals last season than ever before when he played in the middle.

Firstly I could give a feck if he's happy or not, an unhappy Gerrard is no good to no-one

If he's unhappy he should pack his bags and go. No player is bigger than the club and that will always stay that way. He needs to put his pride aside because the club comes first. Considering that he's the captain, he should be happy to make sacrifices for the team.

If he can no longer do that then the door is open for him to leave. As much as I love what he's done for this club, this club will stay where it is whether he's here or not.

The team should be built around him IMO and I'm sure Rafa has said that before.

He's also said that Milan Baros and Djibril Cisse were fantastic players and that they had a future at this club :sleepy:

Nobody is arguing whether or not Gerrard is important to the team, but building a team around one player [we did that with Owen,we gained nothing in the long term imo] makes us weaker.

Because then you have players depending on that player all the time [we already have that problem] and the performances dip when he isn't there. The team should be built around five or six core players not one particular player.

He's getting paid 120k a week to play football, I don't give a feck whether he enjoys playing on the right or not. If I was getting paid 120k a week I would be over the moon.

He isn't doing his job. And I'm not just talking about playing well, but also performing as a captain. He isn't motivating anyone [which is his job as the team captain] and he's been the first one to drop his head this season and tuck his balls between his legs when things aren't going well.

Christ, that sentence has an air of Sven Goran Ericksson about it, nuff said.

It's a fact, he proved that against AC Milan. He has that kind of ability and capability.

by **red37** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:34 am

A.B. wrote:He's also said that Milan Baros and Djibril Cisse were fantastic players and that they had a future at this club

tbf he wasnt going to say anything else at that time, considering he was relying heavily on their input. Soundbites for the media at the end of the day. as for your comments on Gerrard, i wholeheartedly support the argument you suggest regarding the idea that 'centre-mid' vs 'right' are anything to do with the situation. Loss of form in general has been evident in whatever position Gerrard has found his influence required in. On his day, he can be equally as effective wherever Benitez chooses to deploy his talents, provided the gaffer gets the message to sink in and the player realises that, the whole idea isnt in his role being the 'star' of the club. But instead he is the bearer of the responsibility lying within it, in being its chosen representative on the pitch and is therfore obligated to make damn sure everybody else has a clear idea of their own requirements. and for setting by example, the high standards of which to aspire. as fantastic a player he is and as high the dreams he holds for Liverpool are accepted. the Steven Gerrard we've grown to love over the years is sadly some way short of realising his maximum influence so far. In any case he remains vital to the clubs fortunes thats for sure. but he wont be 'solely' responsible for them.

by **66-1112520797** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:07 am

Getting isolated? Of course he's getting isolated, he hasn't kept any discipline in his game at all when he's played on the right. He hasn't taken on players when he's had the ball and he hasn't tried hard enough to get the ball and impose himself on the game. That's his fault not the fact that he's playing on the right

Thats another point you've picked up for me, when he does go "roaming" on the right the whole team lose balance and shape. Steve Finnan has often found himself with the ball at his feet, with no-one to pass to or offer him width because Gerrards stranded elsewhere on the pitch. Playing right wing has its disciplines, to offer your full back cover, an outlet and width, something Pennant does well.

You make it sound like that he hasn't played for 25 years in the middle of the park. If he starts in the center he'll do the same thing, drift all over the place which is fine. He did that last year when he was on the right and in the center. It doesn't matter, he has the license to roam but he isn't using it

Well I'm sorry if you interpret it that way, but if he's in the middle more he'll see more of the ball, he will be able to create more and have more of an impact. He did take up a central position against Villa and picked out Crouch who nodded down for Kuyt. He'll do more of the same thing and create us more if he's used in his best positiom.

It isn't happening for him PERIOD. It has nothing to do with him playing on the right, he's not playing well period. He scored more goals last season than ever before when he played in the middle

To be frank it isnt happening for the team PERIOD, Alonso, Carra and Reina have all had a drop in form at one point or another this season lets not forget that. But Rafa's playing those three in their favoured positions, but unlike them Gerrard isnt. So surely to help the lad find form he should be put back to his favoured position over Zenden especially, I recall one of your posts asking the same question about Zenden getting the nod over Gerrard didnt I ?

If he's unhappy he should pack his bags and go. No player is bigger than the club and that will always stay that way. He needs to put his pride aside because the club comes first. Considering that he's the captain, he should be happy to make sacrifices for the team.

If he can no longer do that then the door is open for him to leave. As much as I love what he's done for this club, this club will stay where it is whether he's here or not.

On the whole I agree with that statement, but considering he's the captain he should make sacrifices for the team erh ? Did Hyypia ? Infact name me any another other captain who has had to make sacrifices for the team positionally, I doubt their are many why should he have to do this, most captains positions are cemented in their team.

Sometimes I'd really find it interesting if a player like Gerrard calls fans likey yourself the bluff and leaves, the tune would change dramaticaly in most peoples case's. Gerrards unhappy, personally he's unhappy probably because the team arent reaching their potential and he's not playing in his favoured position. Managers do make wrong/bad decisions some should swallow there pride for the good of the team also, not just the players like Gerrard, I think Rafa has called this wrong personally.

He's also said that Milan Baros and Djibril Cisse were fantastic players and that they had a future at this club

Nobody is arguing whether or not Gerrard is important to the team, but building a team around one player [we did that with Owen,we gained nothing in the long term imo] makes us weaker.

Because then you have players depending on that player all the time [we already have that problem] and the performances dip when he isn't there. The team should be built around five or six core players not one particular player.

He's getting paid 120k a week to play football, I don't give a feck whether he enjoys playing on the right or not. If I was getting paid 120k a week I would be over the moon.

He isn't doing his job. And I'm not just talking about playing well, but also performing as a captain. He isn't motivating anyone [which is his job as the team captain] and he's been the first one to drop his head this season and tuck his balls between his legs when things aren't going well

Sorry again I wasnt clear in my original post, when I mean the team should be built around him, I do mean a core of players, " the Spine" Reina, Carra, Alonso, Gerrard and Kuyt. Any, or most teams are built around a core of players and I'd include Gerrard in that core.

[/quote]It's a fact, he proved that against AC Milan. He has that kind of ability and capability[quote]

So again he becomes the victim of his own abilities, by doing that the lad will never have stability and consistency in his game. Ericksson did exactly that, I know your not English and probably couldnt give a to$$ but thats one of the main reasons he's never hit the Liverpool heights in an England shirt. Now Benitez has played him in right mid, left mid, behind the front pair and centrally on occassions. Now Gerrard cant even hit the England mediocracy displays in a Liverpool shirt.

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:10 am

weringo wrote:
A.B. wrote:
CharmlessMan wrote:
weringo wrote:Pennant isnt young, hes nearly 24. Way before that time you can tell whether he will be a decent player some day.

"Confidence at this level to perform"?
He was at Arsenal for about 3 years who are arguebly at a higher level than us. Wenger isnt known for letting talent slip away from him unless he gets a very good price.

Twenty four by my books is young, if he was twenty eight or twenty nine, you'd have a valid point, he can still drastically improve as a player within the next few years, players (bar the odd exception) usually play their best football (peak is some people's words) when they are around the twenty eight mark.

Its true my friend, confidence helps a lot, when you are confident about something you will naturally excel in that particular aspect, it's the same in football.

He spent three years at Arsenal being shoved out on loan to lower league opposition, such as Watford, Leeds and Birmingham. In all honesty he didn't really establish himself until last season at Birmingham, so he has a lot to learn and I'm confidence he will improve.

Arsene Wenger doesn't like English talent; it's a known fact, why did he get rid of Bentley? Bentley is a class talent, that Justin Hoyte won't last long at Arsenal, mark my words, he'll be sold as soon as Arsene finds another French left back.

Pennant is 22, he'll be 23 in January.

Pennant is 23, check your facts

Ha. Says the bloke who just stated he was 24!

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