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[Lando_Griffin]

no i dont agree

Well tough f*cking titties, you ignorant t*sser.

[Lando_Griffin]

The fact is Gerrard is sulking because he wants to play where he wants to play.

If I were Rafa, I'd simply sit him down in the office and ask this one simple question:

Are you a professional footballer, committed to Liverpool FC, or a self-indulgent whiner who thinks only of himself?

His answer would solve all our problems - if it's one, he plays his best WHEREVER Rafa puts him, if it's two, we sell him and buy someone who WILL give 100%.

I don't want him to go, but we've had 3 years of his mood swings now - time to stop treading on eggshells with him.

If it's personal problems, he needs to be dropped, as his presence does nothing for the team when he plays as he has been doing this season.

[matrix]

no i dont agree

Well tough f*cking titties, you ignorant t*sser.

               

[SouthCoastShankly]

Gerrard is the best crosser and deliverer of the ball at the club. Aurelio and Finnan are good as well.
Alonso is good but rarely gets in the wide areas to deliver crosses.

Anyone that thinks Pennant is a good crosser of the ball is kidding themselves. He makes a lot of crosses(well he used to) but he puts nothing on the cross, they are the type of crosses you see in Sunday league football. Easy to read and easy to cut out. The only player who 's crosses are consistantly worse than Pennant's is Zenden, whos crosses are nothing short of abismal.

The goals Pennant has created this season have all been corner kicks or chips into the centre, after being played inside to the deadball line, never when he has beaten the fullback and crossed from the wing. At Birmingham the same story, record number of crosses virtually no goals scored (You cant blame Heskey for everything)

The point I am trying to make is when Gerrard plays wide he whips the ball in almost Beckham like, curling the ball and making defenders and goalkeeper work to clear the ball. Pennant crosses it dead enabling defenders to position themselves and ensuring that forwards have no chance of a clean header.The goalkeeper has no fears coming for the cross because its not swinging away from them.

I prefer Gerrard on the right, unfortunately with Momo out and the only real alternative being Zenden Gerrard is needed in the centre. If we are to play Gerrard central I do think we should go back to playing narrow as we did last season, so at least the defense receives more protection. play Garcia or Bellamy with Kuyt and Crouch. Bellamy works the channels well and will appreciate the space created in the same way Baros did. In effect Bellamy will be taking over Gerrards free role (obviously with different strengths) while reaping the benefits of Gerrards strength drive and killer passes from the middle.

Sorry your wrong. Pennant definitely has the ability to be the winger we bought him for, including crossing.

Do you honestly think Rafa intentionally bought a bad crosser to play right wing?

Also you obviously are oblivious to the fact that the season Pennant was at Birmingham prior to them getting relegated he was the best crosser in the premiership. He provided more successful crosses than any other player in the league. You have to be a fool to think he cannot cross.

The truth of the matter is that Pennant hasn't lived up to his potential, maybe that is due to lack of games or being short of confidence after all this is the biggest club he has ever played with. I believe with games we'll start to see the best of him.

[tubby]

he is wasting time at liverpool,we would get a good 10 million for him and i dont think we need a genuine goalscorer like him atm,


centre midfield not his postition,i would know because i watch every liverpool game and i know more about any1 here

10M for Gerrard? What f.uckin planet are you on mate?

F.uck of to the scum forum mullet head.

[mattylfc]

The fact is Gerrard is sulking because he wants to play where he wants to play.

If I were Rafa, I'd simply sit him down in the office and ask this one simple question:

Are you a professional footballer, committed to Liverpool FC, or a self-indulgent whiner who thinks only of himself?

His answer would solve all our problems - if it's one, he plays his best WHEREVER Rafa puts him, if it's two, we sell him and buy someone who WILL give 100%.

I don't want him to go, but we've had 3 years of his mood swings now - time to stop treading on eggshells with him.

If it's personal problems, he needs to be dropped, as his

I dont understand how people can say that Gerrard is sulking.  He believes that his best position is CM but for the team he has been playing on the right.  I cant remember him ever complaining about it, he just gets on with it and says its the bosses decision.  Too many people read into the Gerrard situation and assume that he looks unhappy at times, such as when he walks off the pitch after a defeat.  No-one seems to put it down to the fact that he just hates losing and wants the club that he loves to do well.  Its the media and us as fans that make such a big deal of Gerrard and rotaion, not Gerrard himself.

To say that "his presence does nothing for the team when he plays as he has been doing this season" is not true IMO.
I dont think you could ever argue that Gerrard doesnt give 100% every game.  His personal problems probably have affected him but even when he hasnt been to the best of his standards this season he has still been one of the best performers on the pitch. 

Anyone who plays for a team or is involved in sport can surely understand that you naturally think of yourself and want to be playing to the best of your ability week in week out.  To play in a position for this long where you dont feel it brings out your best attributes is admirable in my opinion.  He does it not just because he has to but because he loves LFC.

[tubby]

As he pointed out the other day the papers are just doing the talking for him. Im sure hes happy wherever he plays and can make a vital contribution from any position. Had he been scoring from the right this year like he was last year we wouldnt be having this conversation.

Its only becasue now Momo is out for a while that he needs to go back in the middle. Anyway it would work out well as it gives Pennant a chance of a good run.

[account deleted by request]

Gerrard is the best crosser and deliverer of the ball at the club. Aurelio and Finnan are good as well.
Alonso is good but rarely gets in the wide areas to deliver crosses.

Anyone that thinks Pennant is a good crosser of the ball is kidding themselves. He makes a lot of crosses(well he used to) but he puts nothing on the cross, they are the type of crosses you see in Sunday league football. Easy to read and easy to cut out. The only player who 's crosses are consistantly worse than Pennant's is Zenden, whos crosses are nothing short of abismal.

The goals Pennant has created this season have all been corner kicks or chips into the centre, after being played inside to the deadball line, never when he has beaten the fullback and crossed from the wing. At Birmingham the same story, record number of crosses virtually no goals scored (You cant blame Heskey for everything)

The point I am trying to make is when Gerrard plays wide he whips the ball in almost Beckham like, curling the ball and making defenders and goalkeeper work to clear the ball. Pennant crosses it dead enabling defenders to position themselves and ensuring that forwards have no chance of a clean header.The goalkeeper has no fears coming for the cross because its not swinging away from them.

I prefer Gerrard on the right, unfortunately with Momo out and the only real alternative being Zenden Gerrard is needed in the centre. If we are to play Gerrard central I do think we should go back to playing narrow as we did last season, so at least the defense receives more protection. play Garcia or Bellamy with Kuyt and Crouch. Bellamy works the channels well and will appreciate the space created in the same way Baros did. In effect Bellamy will be taking over Gerrards free role (obviously with different strengths) while reaping the benefits of Gerrards strength drive and killer passes from the middle.

Sorry your wrong. Pennant definitely has the ability to be the winger we bought him for, including crossing.

Do you honestly think Rafa intentionally bought a bad crosser to play right wing?

Also you obviously are oblivious to the fact that the season Pennant was at Birmingham prior to them getting relegated he was the best crosser in the premiership. He provided more successful crosses than any other player in the league. You have to be a fool to think he cannot cross.

The truth of the matter is that Pennant hasn't lived up to his potential, maybe that is due to lack of games or being short of confidence after all this is the biggest club he has ever played with. I believe with games we'll start to see the best of him.

Pennant has made 56 crosses in the League games he has played, second only to Gerrard on 95. Pennant assists nil, none, nada, less than a few, zero.  Finnan has made 40 crosses and had 2 assists.opta stats

Even I can cross a ball, whether it would be a good dangerous cross ,or a just get it in the box cross is another matter!

[SouthCoastShankly]

Gerrard is the best crosser and deliverer of the ball at the club. Aurelio and Finnan are good as well.
Alonso is good but rarely gets in the wide areas to deliver crosses.

Anyone that thinks Pennant is a good crosser of the ball is kidding themselves. He makes a lot of crosses(well he used to) but he puts nothing on the cross, they are the type of crosses you see in Sunday league football. Easy to read and easy to cut out. The only player who 's crosses are consistantly worse than Pennant's is Zenden, whos crosses are nothing short of abismal.

The goals Pennant has created this season have all been corner kicks or chips into the centre, after being played inside to the deadball line, never when he has beaten the fullback and crossed from the wing. At Birmingham the same story, record number of crosses virtually no goals scored (You cant blame Heskey for everything)

The point I am trying to make is when Gerrard plays wide he whips the ball in almost Beckham like, curling the ball and making defenders and goalkeeper work to clear the ball. Pennant crosses it dead enabling defenders to position themselves and ensuring that forwards have no chance of a clean header.The goalkeeper has no fears coming for the cross because its not swinging away from them.

I prefer Gerrard on the right, unfortunately with Momo out and the only real alternative being Zenden Gerrard is needed in the centre. If we are to play Gerrard central I do think we should go back to playing narrow as we did last season, so at least the defense receives more protection. play Garcia or Bellamy with Kuyt and Crouch. Bellamy works the channels well and will appreciate the space created in the same way Baros did. In effect Bellamy will be taking over Gerrards free role (obviously with different strengths) while reaping the benefits of Gerrards strength drive and killer passes from the middle.

Sorry your wrong. Pennant definitely has the ability to be the winger we bought him for, including crossing.

Do you honestly think Rafa intentionally bought a bad crosser to play right wing?

Also you obviously are oblivious to the fact that the season Pennant was at Birmingham prior to them getting relegated he was the best crosser in the premiership. He provided more successful crosses than any other player in the league. You have to be a fool to think he cannot cross.

The truth of the matter is that Pennant hasn't lived up to his potential, maybe that is due to lack of games or being short of confidence after all this is the biggest club he has ever played with. I believe with games we'll start to see the best of him.

Pennant has made 56 crosses in the League games he has played, second only to Gerrard on 95. Pennant assists nil, none, nada, less than a few, zero.  Finnan has made 40 crosses and had 2 assists.opta stats

Even I can cross a ball, whether it would be a good dangerous cross ,or a just get it in the box cross is another matter!

I don't deny that this season he hasn't performed. He has by no means lived up to any potential.

But your words we're:

Anyone that thinks Pennant is a good crosser of the ball is kidding themselves

That is a bold statement, and a wrong statement, for someone who was bought based on their pedigree of previous seasons as a winger and namely a provider on the right.

[account deleted by request]

Pennant made the most crosses in the league last season and  Birmingham scored 28 league goals (lowest in prem) Even allowing for their strikers not being the best, Forsell, Heskey, Sutton ,Pandiani are all good in the air. Pennant scored 2 league goals and made 3 assists hardly a great provider.

[Leonidas08]

good to see stevie going into the centre, im beting for him to score.

[account deleted by request]

I was just reading that Momo and Gerrard have NEVER started a game together in the centre of midfield, and Gerrard and Alonso have NEVER started an away game in the centre together since the CL FINAL.

[SouthCoastShankly]

Pennant made the most crosses in the league last season and  Birmingham scored 28 league goals (lowest in prem) Even allowing for their strikers not being the best, Forsell, Heskey, Sutton ,Pandiani are all good in the air. Pennant scored 2 league goals and made 3 assists hardly a great provider.

Well if that's what you think then you should be more interested in asking why Rafa bought him?

[account deleted by request]

Pennant made the most crosses in the league last season and  Birmingham scored 28 league goals (lowest in prem) Even allowing for their strikers not being the best, Forsell, Heskey, Sutton ,Pandiani are all good in the air. Pennant scored 2 league goals and made 3 assists hardly a great provider.

Well if that's what you think then you should be more interested in asking why Rafa bought him?

I think Rafa bought him to improve him and as cover for Gerrard. Whether Pennant will improve is up to him, but unfortunately due to Sissoko's injury he may get more playing time than expected at this stage. I hope he turns into a decent player but he NEEDS A LOT OF WORK.

[Bad Bob]

I was just reading that Momo and Gerrard have NEVER started a game together in the centre of midfield, and Gerrard and Alonso have NEVER started an away game in the centre together since the CL FINAL.

Didn't Stevie and Xabi start together in the middle at Highbury last February, when Momo was out with his eye injury?  I seem to remember people wondering if they could play together after that stilted performance.