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by **Anfield rapper** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 1:35 pm

puroresu wrote:
Woollyback wrote:oh the suffering of having education, democracy and modern medicine thrust upon them. it must have been awful for the poor souls

Oh yes they must be very gratful in being forced onto slave ships. They must be gratful that many cant even trace their history due to the knowledge being stolen and lost. The people of Africa should be very grateful to have seen their resources stolen from them. The Aborigines should thank the British for wiping out their race and be grateful for the smallpox the British gave to them. The Sub continent should be thankful for their riches and wealth taken from them.

Back then things were different, and it wasn't just Britain. All European countries were at it. I know some real harsh stuff happened to the people back then but you can't go on blaming a nation of people for things that happened hundreds of years ago or you'll never get anywhere. Some african countries would love to have Britain back in charge of them.

by **66-1112520797** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 1:44 pm

Anfield rapper wrote:
puroresu wrote:
Woollyback wrote:oh the suffering of having education, democracy and modern medicine thrust upon them. it must have been awful for the poor souls

Oh yes they must be very gratful in being forced onto slave ships. They must be gratful that many cant even trace their history due to the knowledge being stolen and lost. The people of Africa should be very grateful to have seen their resources stolen from them. The Aborigines should thank the British for wiping out their race and be grateful for the smallpox the British gave to them. The Sub continent should be thankful for their riches and wealth taken from them.

Back then things were different, and it wasn't just Britain. All European countries were at it. I know some real harsh stuff happened to the people back then but you can't go on blaming a nation of people for things that happened hundreds of years ago or you'll never get anywhere. Some african countries would love to have Britain back in charge of them.

Agreed Anfield rapper, I know a Kenyan fella who insists his country would be far better off under British rule. He says 'ever since Britain left Kenya for independence the country has gone to pot'. Simple things like agriculture and harvesting right up unto a corrupt government.

Pureso (sp) as for your comment on the "British wiping out" the Aborigines thats utter bollox. There not dinosaurs, there not extinct, trust me I live with em there alive and kicking, I think your on about the stolen generation.

by **thegreedo** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:09 pm

Bamaga man wrote:
Anfield rapper wrote:
puroresu wrote:
Woollyback wrote:oh the suffering of having education, democracy and modern medicine thrust upon them. it must have been awful for the poor souls

Oh yes they must be very gratful in being forced onto slave ships. They must be gratful that many cant even trace their history due to the knowledge being stolen and lost. The people of Africa should be very grateful to have seen their resources stolen from them. The Aborigines should thank the British for wiping out their race and be grateful for the smallpox the British gave to them. The Sub continent should be thankful for their riches and wealth taken from them.

Back then things were different, and it wasn't just Britain. All European countries were at it. I know some real harsh stuff happened to the people back then but you can't go on blaming a nation of people for things that happened hundreds of years ago or you'll never get anywhere. Some african countries would love to have Britain back in charge of them.

Agreed Anfield rapper, I know a Kenyan fella who insists his country would be far better off under British rule. He says 'ever since Britain left Kenya for independence the country has gone to pot'. Simple things like agriculture and harvesting right up unto a corrupt government.

Pureso (sp) as for your comment on the "British wiping out" the Aborigines thats utter bollox. There not dinosaurs, there not extinct, trust me I live with em there alive and kicking, I think your on about the stolen generation.

I've had many an in-depth conversation with some of my staff who are from India and they ALL to a man have told me the political system in India collapsed after the withdrawal of the British. The government of India is now rife with corruption and the country's wealth is being retained by a very small percentage of it's population.

I would wholeheartedly agree the British nation has committed many a crime throughout it's Imperial history but while we are constantly bombarded by dissenting voices who seek to remind us of this there is a deafening silence toward the UNRIVALLED contribution Britain has made to the formation and development of the modern world!

by **66-1112520797** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:16 pm

thegreedo wrote:I would wholeheartedly agree the British nation has committed many a crime throughout it's Imperial history but while we are constantly bombarded by dissenting voices who seek to remind us of this there is a deafening silence toward the UNRIVALLED contribution Britain has made to the formation and development of the modern world!

Agreed

by **woof woof !** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:45 pm

Anfield rapper wrote:Some african countries would love to have Britain back in charge of them.

I spent some years in South Africa during the apartheid regime . The way the africans were treated was a disgrace . The country itself was rich and prosperous , no doubt due in the main to the millions of cheap (black) workers available .

I then hitchiked up Africa through several African countries formerly under colonial rule . Zimbabwe,Mozambique,Zambia,Malawi,Tanzania and Kenya. Without exception they were all sh'itholes . Collapsing economies ,corruption at every level and a general air of malaise and decay.

In every country I encounted people who wished the colonial powers had never left . The only people who seemed happy were the "fat cats" who were exploiting their countries wealth and population far more than the white colonialists ever did.

Mugabe for example in the space of thirty years has turned what was once one of the most prosperous countries in africa (Zimbabwe) into his own personal bank . He and his cronies live a life of complete luxury whilst all around his citizens are starving as the country slips into chaos , famine and pestilence. Meanwhile he continues to cash the "Aid" cheques handed out by the very "colonial monsters " (thats us british) he continually berates.

by **puroresu** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 8:52 pm

Well the fact that the British left Africa and then let uneducated military dictators take charge has something to do with the mess Africa is in right now. The people never chose these leaders, they never drew this fake borders and the colonists knew exactly what they were doing when they left Africa. Isnt it funny that the colonists still loved to do business with these so called despots and made sure they kept control of the resources.

Granted the empire did some good things but that still doesnt hide the fact it was invading occupying force who's main aim was steal the resources.
All European empires built their fortunes by looting the colonies. From gold and silver to spices and precious stones and human beings, no resource of these lands was left unplundered. The magnificent European palaces, the museums and theatres, the cathedrals and municipal buildings - all are built at the expense of the rest of the planet. All are founded on slavery, and nourished with the blood of slaves.

As for Kenya. We all know about those attrociaties the British did their. The Brits were not the only ones at it and I agree it was a long time ago yet the fact nobody apologisies for these things says it all. It may of been a long time ago but the effects of these acts have lasted a lot longer than this.

The Jews were compensated (which was right) after the holecaoust so why shouldnt others get compensated.

Estimated that 120 million Native Indians were killed in the America's yet this is just forgotton history. Lets al celebrate columbus finding the America's.

As for the Aboroginies, their are no concrete figures yet many say in the 18th century there were 1 million Aboriginies but by the 1990's there were less than half a million left. Lets also not forget they lost their land to the Europeans as did the Maori's yet lets celebrate as this people were getting 'civilised'.

by **48-1119859832** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:18 pm

You raise valid points puroresu, even though you do come across as Anti-Western. If you want a nation to blame for this mess than blame America and it's deeply patronising and selfish foriegn policy. They have created about 99% of all conflicts over the past 150 years.

by **Bad Bob** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:55 pm

0asis wrote:You raise valid points puroresu, even though you do come across as Anti-Western. If you want a nation to blame for this mess than blame America and it's deeply patronising and selfish foriegn policy. They have created about 99% of all conflicts over the past 150 years.

Can't agree with that timeframe, mate. The last 60 years would be more accurate.

by **metalhead** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:19 pm

Lebanon is ready to deploy its troops in the south with the help of the International force, this is what seniora said.

Today our police combined with the firefighters and the people rescued 65 people under the rubble and most of them were children too! one of them unfortunatley died, but thank god the others survived. It was said that they were already dead when a jet fighter bombed a building in the city (the city is called halou). Israel are really killing alot of people deliberately and so is hizballah! innocent lives are being lost. The Lebanese government estimates almost a 1000 dead and about 3500 wounded in Lebanon, most of them children.

They are still hitting south of beirut and destroying so many buildings!! I used to play football with my mates in a place which is located in south of beirut, so i was watching television the other day and they show a football field filled with rocks and rubbles, i was like "holy sh*t, thats the pitch we used to play!!".

no more footy for me then

:down:

Anyways, things are getting better, our Prime minister, Siniora is getting more back up to proceed with his 7 points he commented on which one of them stresses on a ceasefire immidiatly.

by **48-1119859832** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:25 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
0asis wrote:You raise valid points puroresu, even though you do come across as Anti-Western. If you want a nation to blame for this mess than blame America and it's deeply patronising and selfish foriegn policy. They have created about 99% of all conflicts over the past 150 years.

Can't agree with that timeframe, mate. The last 60 years would be more accurate.

Yeah I was kind of exaggerating as you do.

But I'd say it's more than 60 years, I'd say it was bordering around 100 at least.

by **66-1112520797** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:44 pm

puroresu wrote:As for the Aboroginies, their are no concrete figures yet many say in the 18th century there were 1 million Aboriginies but by the 1990's there were less than half a million left. Lets also not forget they lost their land to the Europeans as did the Maori's yet lets celebrate as this people were getting 'civilised'.

Your right they did lose there land, (aborigines). But a man named Mabo went to the high courts and won a massive case to claim back his land in Australia, Cape York and rightfully so.
This was because, when captin Cook landed he took possesion of Australia declaring nobody lived there. Of course he probably new they did. He took it saying Terra-nulis (sp ?) meaning nobody lives here and claimed it for King and country.
But Mabo was scene as a leader for the Aboriginal and islander
communities for what he did, and now in other parts of Australia the Aborigines are claiming back there land because of this. Of course what happened in between times to the Aboriginals was nothing short of disgusting, converting nomadic people to a Western way of life was/is considered wrong. But today the Aborigines lap up the " White mans" world. Cars, boats, shops, food and alcohol etc etc.. at the same time though they'd still tell you they'd be better off without it...... yeah right.

As for the rest of your statement I didnt quote TBH I dont know too much about but its certainly interesting to read your point of view.

by **puroresu** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 11:27 pm

0asis wrote:You raise valid points puroresu, even though you do come across as Anti-Western. If you want a nation to blame for this mess than blame America and it's deeply patronising and selfish foriegn policy. They have created about 99% of all conflicts over the past 150 years.

Agreed. I find the US is in the worst position to call other nations axis of evil and so on. Over the last 60 years they have invaded, bombed and caused more coups than anyone else. They love to talk about democracy but when somebody who wins who they dont like they try to get rid of that government. They call Saddam a dictator which he was but at the same time jump into bed and prop up the Saudi's, Egyptians, Jordanians etc who are also dictators.

I aint anti western I just feel the West has to much influence in other parts of the world and there needs to be a re-address of balance.

by **Judge** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:48 am

puroresu wrote:
0asis wrote:You raise valid points puroresu, even though you do come across as Anti-Western. If you want a nation to blame for this mess than blame America and it's deeply patronising and selfish foriegn policy. They have created about 99% of all conflicts over the past 150 years.

Agreed. I find the US is in the worst position to call other nations axis of evil and so on. Over the last 60 years they have invaded, bombed and caused more coups than anyone else. They love to talk about democracy but when somebody who wins who they dont like they try to get rid of that government. They call Saddam a dictator which he was but at the same time jump into bed and prop up the Saudi's, Egyptians, Jordanians etc who are also dictators.

I aint anti western I just feel the West has to influence in other parts of the world and there needs to be a re-address of balance.

welcome to reality

by **woof woof !** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:11 am

Bamaga man wrote:He took it saying Terra-nulis (sp ?) meaning nobody lives here and claimed it for King and country.

Or as Eddie Izzard wpould have said .When encountering a native population who claimed the land was already theirs .

"Do you have a flag ? you can't have a country without a flag"

by **Woollyback** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:48 am

right i'm off to claim france as mine then. they haven't got a flag, just some stripes on a bit of paper. that's a lazy effort by anyone's standards and the courts would agree, allowing me therefore to own france

now then.... all i need to do is deport all the natives and it's happy days ahead

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