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by **ivor_the_injun** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 11:23 pm

The pace angle is oft-abused really. The fact that Teddy Sheringham, one of the slowest strikers of his era, is still playing at Prem level well into his forties makes a mockery of the argument that strikers without pace don't have a place in the modern game. Ditto Fowler. Yes, it's great if you have a player with both pace and intelligence, but it's not the be all and end all.

Cisse has out and out pace but little positional sense. Fowler has nil pace, but some of the best positional play you'll ever see. If you offered the same number of half chances over the same number of games to both players, Fowler would come out with at least twice the number of shots on target and goals as Cisse.

If Crouch is a shoo-in for the first 11, it'd be great to have a prolific, pacy striker playing off him. That said, I'd have absolutely no quarrel with Crouch and Fowler starting the new season together. Two not-particularly-quick strikers that good can still do a hell of a lot of damage.

by **puroresu** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 11:43 pm

can anybody name me a top european team that plays with two strikers who have no pace??

when do you ever see it??

oh and Cisse will be terrific signing for Lyon.. he will score 25+ goals no problem

by **ivor_the_injun** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 11:55 pm

puroresu wrote:can anybody name me a top european team that plays with two strikers who have no pace??

when do you ever see it??

oh and Cisse will be terrific signing for Lyon.. he will score 25+ goals no problem

That's easy - Liverpool.

by **48-1119859832** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 12:11 am

puroresu wrote:can anybody name me a top european team that plays with two strikers who have no pace??

when do you ever see it??

oh and Cisse will be terrific signing for Lyon.. he will score 25+ goals no problem

I'm sure he will as he is more suited to French football.

AC Milan of recent times and Juventus don't have lightening fast strikers.

by **DonnieDarko** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 4:53 am

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I have a question for you. Do you think Cisse raises the level of play of the team? It has nothing to do with goals. I am asking does he make Liverpool a better team when he is on the pitch. Think hard...

I think its you have to think harder ... No matter Cisse have prove to us that he score more than Mori and PC.

But again, if Rafa wanted sell him... he should sell him last season.

Latest news that Lyon willing to pay 8m to Liverpool for Cisse. I have a bad feeling that if Cisse goes to Lyon and maybe in CL, Liverpool will meetup with them and Cisse will prove us wrong again.

Remember that I am the first few ppl who have been telling you all that Mori is NOT suitable for Liverpool last season and should gone to other club before next season starts.

You still never answered my question. Is Liverpool a better team with Cisse on the pitch? If the answer to that question is yes, my next question would then be how many Liverpool games did you watch this season. I, sir, since all of you Cisse lovers turn the attention to our other strikers that Liverpool is a much better team with Crouch and Fowler on the field (Morientes is :censored:

though). Do you honestly believe Cisse was worth 14m pounds and can compete at the highest level with speed being his only asset? And what the hell would have been the point of selling Cisse last year when he had just recovered from a broken leg. We couldn't have found a buyer.

You really do love Cisse don't you?

No.... I love ppl playing the "right" way. If you are defender , you job is to defend ... and if you are midfield , your job is help defenders and helping strikers .... same goes to striker , and the job is to score goals ..

Hypothetically, what if we had a defender (or midfielder), who was strong, fast, good in the air, and great at defending. This defender however was prone to giving the ball away and taking bad touches. For all his attributes, this defender would have been run out of Liverpool by now.

A strikers job is not just to score goals. A strikers job is to hold the ball up in attack, score goals, and provide the first shield for defense. Cisse recieves an F in the last 2. He cannot hold the ball up and he is lazy on the pitch. He recieves a C+ for scoring goals.

I am through arguing with you. You are obviously somewhat of a "forum character" around here. You continue to deny what everyone knows to be true- that Cisse is an overall donkey, :censored:

, selfish, and in general bad footballer.

by **puroresu** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 7:16 am

0asis wrote:
puroresu wrote:can anybody name me a top european team that plays with two strikers who have no pace??

when do you ever see it??

oh and Cisse will be terrific signing for Lyon.. he will score 25+ goals no problem

I'm sure he will as he is more suited to French football.

AC Milan of recent times and Juventus don't have lightening fast strikers.

come on! shevechenko is quick and Trez is no slouch is he.

can you see us doing well in the CL playing 2 strikers with not great pace?

by **RedorDead** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 8:31 am

0asis wrote:
puroresu wrote:can anybody name me a top european team that plays with two strikers who have no pace??

when do you ever see it??

oh and Cisse will be terrific signing for Lyon.. he will score 25+ goals no problem

I'm sure he will as he is more suited to French football.

AC Milan of recent times and Juventus don't have lightening fast strikers.

I would argue that Shevva and Inzaghi for Milan are both pretty quick and Trezeguet for Juve certainly is.
There are very few clubs who play without any pace upfront, Raul and Morientes for Real Madrid a few years back weren't the quickest and they were actually winning things then but the fact is speed is great assest to have.
And most strikers have some pace to speak of, fitness levels are better than ever and in the modern game pace is seen as a near necessity for the modern striker. I think if you thought about it you could name more genuinely quick strikers then you could name real slow ones.

As for Ciise.....if we get £8 mill I'd be happy but I have heard that both Lyon and Marseille want him, his repuation in France is still pretty good and with two after him we could squeeze another mill I reckon. Here's hoping.

by **JC_81** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 9:20 am

RedorDead wrote:
0asis wrote:
puroresu wrote:can anybody name me a top european team that plays with two strikers who have no pace??

when do you ever see it??

oh and Cisse will be terrific signing for Lyon.. he will score 25+ goals no problem

I'm sure he will as he is more suited to French football.

AC Milan of recent times and Juventus don't have lightening fast strikers.

I would argue that Shevva and Inzaghi for Milan are both pretty quick and Trezeguet for Juve certainly is.
There are very few clubs who play without any pace upfront, Raul and Morientes for Real Madrid a few years back weren't the quickest and they were actually winning things then but the fact is speed is great assest to have.
And most strikers have some pace to speak of, fitness levels are better than ever and in the modern game pace is seen as a near necessity for the modern striker. I think if you thought about it you could name more genuinely quick strikers then you could name real slow ones.

As for Ciise.....if we get £8 mill I'd be happy but I have heard that both Lyon and Marseille want him, his repuation in France is still pretty good and with two after him we could squeeze another mill I reckon. Here's hoping.

I think there's a difference between acceleration and pace when you talk about strikers. Most good strikers have decent acceleration - quickness off the mark to be first to the ball in the box or to beat the offside trap - Rush is the best example of this - fast over the first 5 yards or so, but in a straight sprint over middle-long distance he wasn't great.

Players mentioned here like Trezeguet and Inzaghi have acceleration. Shevchenko is one who on the other hand has genuine pace - ie he can knock the ball past someone and beat them in a sprint over 10-15 yards. Players like Henry and Cisse also have this. But players like Crespo, Van Nistelrooy and Fowler in his prime have the short burst of acceleration, which is quite different, but doesn't necessarily make them less effective.

by **Cool Hand Luke** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 10:31 am

L'OM expect Cisse deal difficulties

Marseille chairman Pape Diouf has admitted it will not be easy to sign Liverpool striker Djibril Cisse.

Cisse looks set to leave Liverpool with the Frenchman voicing his disappointment at not playing regularly at Anfield.

The French international claimed last weekend Marseille, Lyon and Paris Saint Germain were all chasing his signature and that he would be interested in a move back to Ligue 1.

Marseille have held a long-term interest in the former Auxerre hit-man, but Diouf knows it will be difficult to seal a deal for Cisse.

"He is a very attractive boy, and he never hides his desire to come to l'OM," Diouf told France Football.

"It would be very exciting to have him among us, but that kind of transaction with an English side, which offers him very good conditions, is not that easy.

"It is a wish so far, but to become concrete won't be simple."

http://home.skysports.com/list.as....culties

by **wee_boi888** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 11:05 am

That sounds...really really um...

I think i'll stay away from the french guys.

by **Good Bob** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 11:49 am

I've just heard disturbing news from a usually reliable source that Liverpool have a deal agreed "in principle" for around 8.5million for Diego Forlan.

Hopefully its :censored:

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by **Good Bob** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 11:59 am

Puroresu, your whole arguement is about Pace. Pace is simply an ingredient to success as is every other attribute in the game, its not the key. You need football ability to go with it. Pace doesn't make you a good player as Vassell and Cisse prove. Pace is one attribute out of 150. Its not more important than any other individual attribute. A collection of attributes make a good player. Not one on its own.

If Henry lost 2 yards of pace he'd still be class. If Henry played on the wing he'd still be able to control a ball.

Your arguement stinks of Sissy loving. You are a clueless :censored:

.

by **HacksawJimDuggin** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 12:07 pm

Good Bob wrote:I've just heard disturbing news from a usually reliable source that Liverpool have a deal agreed "in principle" for around 8.5million for Diego Forlan.

Hopefully its .

*Yawn*

I have heard numerous stories of who we have signed. None of which have come to fruition so far!!

That's not your fault though Good Bob. I am just growing increasingly frustrated with the lack of activity!!

by **Big Niall** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 12:10 pm

£8m for Cisse? delighted. Also very happy with £2m for Traore and £3m for Morientes. I thought we'd get about £6m between them. Delighted if we can get the £13m rumoured.

by **stmichael** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 12:10 pm

Good Bob wrote:I've just heard disturbing news from a usually reliable source that Liverpool have a deal agreed "in principle" for around 8.5million for Diego Forlan.

Hopefully its .

Rafa asked Reina about him not long ago.

We won't sign him though.

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