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by **GunGod** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:02 am

2520years

Of course, I don't think Robbie will be going to Germany..

Rage UK

"I don’t think he has a chance of a place he had problems getting games before coming back to us.
he will need the time in the close season to get as fit as poss so he can bang the goals in the back of the net for us next season anyway even if he did have a chance he has been there done that and don’t need the added pressure now."

Yes indeed, its almost impossible for Robbie to make it to the squad. But considering his minutes played and goals return ratio: a hattrick, a goal against Man U, 3 disallowed goals and 4 goals in the last 5 games for us, he's definitely a good bet for finishing off goal chances in any team he plays for.

Now if a team is leading it would probably make better sense to throw on Crouch to hold up the ball and protect the lead. But if the team's down by 1 goal, would you rather trust Crouch to come on and score a goal or Fowler? Fowler for me. Nevertheless it still seems rather impossible for him to make the squad but its always nice to know how his fans guage his international standing.

On the other hand, Fergie asked Sven to take Wes Brown to the WC and Big Sam openly called for Nolan's inclusion. Just makes you wonder if Rafa would ever do the same, or does he also consider it too impossible a dream? Most probably so I guess.

And yeah Ivor, how did I managed to leave out Beattie on the list! He will be a serious contender indeed.

Btw, as we speak, Shearer is perhaps totally out of the equation now (in the context of this post) given his new injury.

by **2520years** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 9:00 am

0asis wrote:I doubt Fowler will want to play for England, there's been a lot of bad blood between Fowler & past England Managers & even Sven to a degree.

While I agree this is the case...I thought the media picked the England squad!?

If we could get the Mirror to start a campaign...
:eyebrow

by **Judge** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 9:06 am

RAGE UK wrote:I don’t think its thread.
I think it’s the people that join a thread just to slag it off are .
If you got nothing to say on the matter just shut the flock up and let others have a chat about it.

I don’t think he has a chance of a place he had problems getting games before coming back to us.
he will need the time in the close season to get as fit as poss so he can bang the goals in the back of the net for us next season anyway even if he did have a chance he has been there done that and don’t need the added pressure now .

im with woof on this one mate

by **bng89** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 9:08 am

Fowler's staying in England

by **ivor_the_injun** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:48 pm

Owen's far from fit and isn't happy with the way his "mended" foot feels...Rooney's broken a metatarsal...

I think the question begs asking again - Fowler for England?

by **7_Kewell** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:58 pm

ffs, how much more :censored:

is this forum going to get? Fowler can't even play 90 mins of football and there are people calling for him to play in the World Cup??? He's struggling to get fit for 1 start in 2 weeks....how on earth would be manage the World cup??

by **ivor_the_injun** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 12:10 am

Take Owen and Rooney out of the equation, and pickings are slim mate. It's a serious point, and you're an absolute fool if you don't think Fowler's name is up there.

I've assumed all along - based on Owen's fitness concerns - that Sven's going to take 5 strikers. If he hasn't got Owen or Rooney, I think he'll take 5 purely because he'd be down to players that aren't tried and tested.

The obvious 4 would be:

Crouch
Defoe
Bent
Ashton

Past those 4, it's a real tombola. It genuinely isn't as far-fetched as people were suggesting a couple of months ago. Sven has openly stated that he likes Crouch as an option for throwing on to unsettle defences. If he's thinking in terms of impact subs, Robbie's not an implausible option.

by **Feeney** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 12:10 am

kazza wrote:His chances are slim and none and slim has left town.

NAIL & HEAD SPRING TO MIND

by **ivor_the_injun** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 12:17 am

Well, people have brought Ashton's name up, but let's not forget that Sven's never once picked the guy. Factor in that his form has been patchy, and it's not inconceivable that he's not one of the 4 or 5.

Feel free to be cynical, but without Owen or Rooney, I'd ask you to name the strikers you'd have in England's World Cup squad. I have to say that once I get past Ashton in that list, I struggle to look away from Fowler. There's just no genuine quality available beyond him. And don't forget that Sven took him to the last World Cup - that may well count.

by **Feeney** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 12:27 am

Rooney will be fit, Owen will be fit, Crouch will get in the squad, so will Defoe - Bent wil get the last spot because his name is near the top of the top goal scorer's list.

Where Sven's concerned, it ain't rocket science unfortunately.

by **ivor_the_injun** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 12:29 am

Rooney's broken a metatarsal. Even the absolute minimum recovery time would mean that he'd miss the group stages, and that's if you work on the assumption that his recovery will go incredibly smoothly.

Bearing in mind that it's the same injury Owen's only just attempting to come back from, that's a big assumption.

And I wish I had your optimism about Owen. Looking at him at the end of the match today, I'm bracing myself for news of a further setback in his recuperation.

by **Feeney** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 12:49 am

ivor_the_injun wrote:Rooney's broken a metatarsal. Even the absolute minimum recovery time would mean that he'd miss the group stages, and that's if you work on the assumption that his recovery will go incredibly smoothly.

Bearing in mind that it's the same injury Owen's only just attempting to come back from, that's a bit assumption.

And I wish I had your optimism about Owen. Looking at him at the end of the match today, I'm bracing myself for news of a further setback in his recuperation.

According to Sky, 6 weeks, tops for Rooney. That would mean he misses Paraguay (which, i'll admit, you were right on he won't be fit),but he'll be at least ready for Trin & Tob. and be fit for Sweden, which IMO is the toughest game.

Owen ain't ar$ed about Newcastle, it's the WC he's interested in and has been for the last 10-11 months. He'll be fit, i'll bet my dog on it.

by **ivor_the_injun** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:05 am

I think you'll find that a fractured metatarsal is six weeks minimum, regardless of what Sky are reporting.

It's exactly the same thing that happened to Beckham, whose went eight weeks before the last World Cup. His recuperation went bang on schedule, but as everyone saw, he was simply not fit.

by **GunGod** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 8:52 am

Given that I started the thread, I might be well obliged to comment.

I think even if Rooney broke yet another metatarsal tomorrow in his toe, he would still make the plane for Germany. I think Sven subscribes to the idea that a half-fit Rooney is better than no Rooney. And the same applies to Owen. That was the case with Beckham, and it will be the case now.

So Owen and Rooney are actually immovables in the squad unless they could not even kick a ball. Just to illustrate, if Crouch broke a metatarsal now he would no doubt be out of the squad no matter how fast he could recover. Sven would rather bring another striker into the equation (e.g. Beattie. Ashton etc).

by **The Ace1983** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 9:29 am

So if the worst comes and Owen and Rooney are out, who would your four strikers be? I guess it would have to be Crouch, Bent, Defoe and Beattie... I really, really, really hope Owen's Ok now I've seen that list. We won't win squat with that attack.

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