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passmeistro_#14 wrote:why are we talking about joey barton for?
the threads about joey baton!

Oh we got the wrong guy!!

Who is Joey Baton???

BarryBelfast wrote:I agree with quite a lot of what Stu says!!
Barton in my opinion is a very good player..and underated by most.

He is a very similar player to Gerrard in the ways that Stu has mentioned but i feel that Stu overates Joey Barton when most do the opossite!

Yes Joey is a good player and he is having a great season..i also feel that he can play at a higher level than Man City!But to basically say that he has as much technical abilty as S/G is balls! And tha S/G is only a better player because of attaitude,work rate and physical presence is total cr@p!

Stu i agree with most of the things you say on here and its clear you have more football knowledge than a lot.......But to put Joey Barton in Stevies league...sorry lad!
I dont buy it!!

Barry, i'm not saying he's in Stevie's league mate. I'm saying he's an excellent player, in Lampard's class. For me he's as good as Lampard but different.

Gerrard isn't a world class passer, he's sloppy occassionally and isn't like Alonso. Over the years i've seen good passers short and long, Alonso and Redknapp can put a ball on a pennypeice from 60 yards, Barnes and Hamann never conceed possession and play good short passes. Barton's short passing is better.

Using the old champ manager system to get my point across... Gerrard first, Barton second out of 20, 20 being world class, 15 being very good, 10 being average. I'll put Henry and Cisse in there to give you more of an idea.

Gerrard, Barton, Henry, Cisse.

Physical:

Pace: 17, 11, 20, 20
Accelertion: 17, 12, 20, 18
Strength: 17, 13, 15, 12
Agility: 16, 12, 16, 11
Balance: 18, 12, 18, 12
Work rate: 20, 18, 15, 8

Mental:

Vision: 15, 15, 17, 8
Positional sense: 15, 17, 10, 7
Aggression: 19, 19, 15, 11
Bottle: 19, 17, 12, 8
Leadership: 19, 16, 15, 5
Ability to read the game (defensive): 15, 17, 9, 7
Ability to read the game (attacking): 17, 15, 16, 14
Decision making: 15, 16, 16, 10
Composure: 17, 16, 19, 11

Technical:

Passing: 16, 17, 14, 11
Heading: 14, 11, 11, 10
Finishing: 16, 14, 18, 15
Shooting: 18, 15, 16, 15
Dribbling: 15, 12, 18, 13 (attribute thats effected by pace)
Technique: 16, 16, 19, 13
First touch: 15, 15, 18, 11
Skill: 15, 15, 18, 8

matrix wrote:i cant be bothered to argue but somebody here is talking shi.te regarding STEVEN GERRARD 

Another world class arguement there which clearly shows how wrong i was.

How do you lot do it? So knowledgable?

Nearly as knowledgable as people like 7_Kewell who use other peoples opinions as there arguements because they're incapable of backing up there own points or talking about things in extreme detail.

stu_the_red wrote:

BarryBelfast wrote:I agree with quite a lot of what Stu says!!
Barton in my opinion is a very good player..and underated by most.

He is a very similar player to Gerrard in the ways that Stu has mentioned but i feel that Stu overates Joey Barton when most do the opossite!

Yes Joey is a good player and he is having a great season..i also feel that he can play at a higher level than Man City!But to basically say that he has as much technical abilty as S/G is balls! And tha S/G is only a better player because of attaitude,work rate and physical presence is total cr@p!

Stu i agree with most of the things you say on here and its clear you have more football knowledge than a lot.......But to put Joey Barton in Stevies league...sorry lad!
I dont buy it!!

Barry, i'm not saying he's in Stevie's league mate. I'm saying he's an excellent player, in Lampard's class. For me he's as good as Lampard but different.

Gerrard isn't a world class passer, he's sloppy occassionally and isn't like Alonso. Over the years i've seen good passers short and long, Alonso and Redknapp can put a ball on a pennypeice from 60 yards, Barnes and Hamann never conceed possession and play good short passes. Barton's short passing is better.

Using the old champ manager system to get my point across... Gerrard first, Barton second out of 20, 20 being world class, 15 being very good, 10 being average. I'll put Henry and Cisse in there to give you more of an idea.

Gerrard, Barton, Henry, Cisse.

Physical:

Pace: 17, 11, 20, 20
Accelertion: 17, 12, 20, 18
Strength: 17, 13, 15, 12
Agility: 16, 12, 16, 11
Balance: 18, 12, 18, 12
Work rate: 20, 18, 15, 8

Mental:

Vision: 15, 15, 17, 8
Positional sense: 15, 17, 10, 7
Aggression: 19, 19, 15, 11
Bottle: 19, 17, 12, 8
Leadership: 19, 16, 15, 5
Ability to read the game (defensive): 15, 17, 9, 7
Ability to read the game (attacking): 17, 15, 16, 14
Decision making: 15, 16, 16, 10
Composure: 17, 16, 19, 11

Technical:

Passing: 16, 17, 14, 11
Heading: 14, 11, 11, 10
Finishing: 16, 14, 18, 15
Shooting: 18, 15, 16, 15
Dribbling: 15, 12, 18, 13 (attribute thats effected by pace)
Technique: 16, 16, 19, 13
First touch: 15, 15, 18, 11
Skill: 15, 15, 18, 8

Fu.ck all that number Stu!!

I must have misread your post mate Because i thoought there was a bit that said Barton had some better attributes basically...i dont think theres anything to Bartons game thats better than Gerrards mate!!
That aint red goggles as i call a spade a spade..i have watched Barton a lot especially this season and yes i have enjoyed doing so!!
Maybe im missing something and i will watch him more but nothing you can say will change my mind that Joey Baton or  Barton is better in any part of the game,be it physical,technical or mental!!
So we will have to agree to disagree here!!

Oh and BTW i could never get into those managers games!! 

stu_the_red wrote:

matrix wrote:i cant be bothered to argue but somebody here is talking shi.te regarding STEVEN GERRARD 

Another world class arguement there which clearly shows how wrong i was.

How do you lot do it? So knowledgable?

Nearly as knowledgable as people like 7_Kewell who use other peoples opinions as there arguements because they're incapable of backing up there own points or talking about things in extreme detail.

do you think you were going to get away with what you said   sorry mate barton is good but stu no part of his game is better than gerrards...you then in a later post tried to change your story... your out of order...look barton is a verry good player in my eyes but you have to watch how you word things   

BarryBelfast wrote:

stu_the_red wrote:

BarryBelfast wrote:I agree with quite a lot of what Stu says!!
Barton in my opinion is a very good player..and underated by most.

He is a very similar player to Gerrard in the ways that Stu has mentioned but i feel that Stu overates Joey Barton when most do the opossite!

Yes Joey is a good player and he is having a great season..i also feel that he can play at a higher level than Man City!But to basically say that he has as much technical abilty as S/G is balls! And tha S/G is only a better player because of attaitude,work rate and physical presence is total cr@p!

Stu i agree with most of the things you say on here and its clear you have more football knowledge than a lot.......But to put Joey Barton in Stevies league...sorry lad!
I dont buy it!!

Barry, i'm not saying he's in Stevie's league mate. I'm saying he's an excellent player, in Lampard's class. For me he's as good as Lampard but different.

Gerrard isn't a world class passer, he's sloppy occassionally and isn't like Alonso. Over the years i've seen good passers short and long, Alonso and Redknapp can put a ball on a pennypeice from 60 yards, Barnes and Hamann never conceed possession and play good short passes. Barton's short passing is better.

Using the old champ manager system to get my point across... Gerrard first, Barton second out of 20, 20 being world class, 15 being very good, 10 being average. I'll put Henry and Cisse in there to give you more of an idea.

Gerrard, Barton, Henry, Cisse.

Physical:

Pace: 17, 11, 20, 20
Accelertion: 17, 12, 20, 18
Strength: 17, 13, 15, 12
Agility: 16, 12, 16, 11
Balance: 18, 12, 18, 12
Work rate: 20, 18, 15, 8

Mental:

Vision: 15, 15, 17, 8
Positional sense: 15, 17, 10, 7
Aggression: 19, 19, 15, 11
Bottle: 19, 17, 12, 8
Leadership: 19, 16, 15, 5
Ability to read the game (defensive): 15, 17, 9, 7
Ability to read the game (attacking): 17, 15, 16, 14
Decision making: 15, 16, 16, 10
Composure: 17, 16, 19, 11

Technical:

Passing: 16, 17, 14, 11
Heading: 14, 11, 11, 10
Finishing: 16, 14, 18, 15
Shooting: 18, 15, 16, 15
Dribbling: 15, 12, 18, 13 (attribute thats effected by pace)
Technique: 16, 16, 19, 13
First touch: 15, 15, 18, 11
Skill: 15, 15, 18, 8

Fu.ck all that number Stu!!

I must have misread your post mate Because i thoought there was a bit that said Barton had some better attributes basically...i dont think theres anything to Bartons game thats better than Gerrards mate!!
That aint red goggles as i call a spade a spade..i have watched Barton a lot especially this season and yes i have enjoyed doing so!!
Maybe im missing something and i will watch him more but nothing you can say will change my mind that Joey Baton or  Barton is better in any part of the game,be it physical,technical or mental!!
So we will have to agree to disagree here!!

Oh and BTW i could never get into those managers games!! 

matrix wrote:

stu_the_red wrote:

matrix wrote:i cant be bothered to argue but somebody here is talking shi.te regarding STEVEN GERRARD 

Another world class arguement there which clearly shows how wrong i was.

How do you lot do it? So knowledgable?

Nearly as knowledgable as people like 7_Kewell who use other peoples opinions as there arguements because they're incapable of backing up there own points or talking about things in extreme detail.

do you think you were going to get away with what you said   sorry mate barton is good but stu no part of his game is better than gerrards...you then in a later post tried to change your story... your out of order...look barton is a verry good player in my eyes but you have to watch how you word things   

chunky runner wrote:I've read almost all of the views about joey barton on here and can only assume how blind eyed some people are on here.

Gerrard is one of the worlds best players at the moment, but Joey Barton is one of the up and coming (if not a bit late at doing so) talents of premiership football, much like how Kevin Nolan hit the scene.

Barton obviously is not as good as Gerrad, but like Stu said, very similar in how the have an impact on the game.

Barton, if controlled correctly, would be a good signing and would add more to the game than Momo would at present. (understanding that momo is only a touch on 20)

edit: Stu, your right in how Gerrard leaves holes in the midfield. His style of play allows holes to develop and only a defensive holding player like Xabi and Momo will cover this up.

My point is, a player cannot be the perfect all round midfielder. Midfielders need to be good at defending and also attacking, they cannot do both all of the time.

I understand that completely.

Thats part of my point though.

I do however disagree with signing Barton. He's scum, his family are scum and he's generally got an attitude.

Good player though.

I'm glad someone who sounds like they have an ounce of sense backed me up as apose to Barry who is probably half cut...