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by **115-1073096938** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 12:08 pm

The away record isn't that bad. We've only lost 5 league games away all season.

The home record is a discrace. 5 games lost.

This imo is mainly down to the fans. I am sick off all the excuses like we need a reason to sing. The away fans shout us down EVERYFUCKING GAME!!! When anfield is noisey and the atmosphere is electric we don't lose. I can't remember once a great atmosphere and we've lost.

When we get behind the team we've achieved the unachievable (Roma 2-0 anyone??).

The home form is costing us to many points and we (as fans) aren't helping the situation. We are there to support our lads and intimidate the opposition so lets start doing that instead of giving the opposition the backing!!!

10 losses this season and 5 at home says it all in my opinion.

by **Big Niall** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 12:12 pm

I was at the opening game of the season, great athmosphere, chelsea and opening day confidence of the glorious season ahead.

We lost.

3 games into the season, 2 points and no goals from play. Championship over 1 week into the season.

by **Big Niall** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 12:14 pm

Since when is 5 away defeats a good away record, Arsenal are unbeaten all season, I remember their 91 team losing 1 game all season and Liverpool 87/88 losing 2 games.

Hardly the stuff of legends. equally s##t home and away.

by **ICE-MAN** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 12:41 pm

i agree that 5 away defeats is terrible but 5 home defeats is worse when u consider that anfield is supposed to be a fortress where teams fear playing at! not anymore, the only noise the fans make now is to get on their own teams back, this is a bigger disgrace in my view!
players like kewell and diouf, might be frustrating at times but if fans cheer and encourage them they will play a lot better, the fans love baros lets be honest, and when he's chasing down a defender or running with the ball the noise is electric and fans are urging him on, i know houllier should play him more but thats another topic, i think if the fans cheered on kewell n diouf they would raise their game and try harder, kewell can be one of europes best but his confidence is shattered cos the fans are only making noise when criticising! :cool:

by **Leonmc0708** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 12:44 pm

The fact of the matter Stu is that it is now embarrasing at Anfield. The crowd at anfield has been gradually getting worse for the last few years. This season it has been pathetic. The sad excuse that there must be something to sing about just does not wash with me at all. I personally get behind the lads, each and everyone of them.

I am a season ticket holder, and I travel to most away games (including the theatre of penalties on Saturday) and I have to say I enjoy the away games much more.

The travelling fans always sing, from the first minute to the last, and the atmosphere is superb. There are two problem's with Anfield in my opinion. One is that its been invaded by out of towners. Again woolyback will be slating me soon but I will reiterate the point. The people who I hear around me in the Kop shouting "f##k off Heskey you big jessie", "Get in the f##kin game Murphy you dick head" and "Kewell you f##kin s##t House" are not people with scouse accents. FACT. Scousers have a lot more patience, and do not demand instant action from a sub thrown on with ten minutes to go in a dire game.

Before everyone starts, I am telling you what happens at Anfield through experience. I go the game week in week out and I hear it and see it all the time. I have argued countless times with so called fans who berate players, Smicer, Murphy, Heskey and Kewell are the worst targeted, instead of getting behind the lads. I know that these players in particular do need the arm around the shoulder and encouragement, not slating after the first stray pass or wayward shot.

I am not in any way saying that I have any more right to support Liverpool, or that my opinions are more important than a Liverpool fan from Devon. My point is that I know, through listening to and arguing with people at the game that these people in the whole are not from Liverpool.

Again, I do not tar all non-scousers with the same brush, my mate is from Dublin and comes over a lot to watch and support the boys, and he gives his full backing.

The other problem is that the whole idea of going to the game is seen by too many people as meeting in the pub, few beers, up the ground, few more beers, watch most of the first half then down to the bar after 35-40 mins to get some more beer, then up late for the second half before leaving ten minutes early to beat the rush and get a few more beers in the pub. The idea of going the game is a p#ss up, no longer is it about following the team. This is partly due to the largely mediocre last fifteen years, where the only good thing about going the game has been the booze. Sad but true.

Se will never in my opinion get back to the days of singing Beatles hits on a swaying Kop, the game has moved on since then and become far too commercialised, with prices going thru the roof, but we doo need to be getting behind the boys, thru thick and thin, and showing them how much this all means to us.

YOU'LL NEVER WALK ALONE

by **greenred** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 12:45 pm

Away statistics for the season so far:

Pld W D L F A GD GFA GAA ppg pts
1 Chelsea (2) 17 12 2 3 31 14 17 1.82 0.82 2.23 38
2 Arsenal (1) 16 10 6 0 29 9 20 1.81 0.56 2.25 36
3 Man Utd(3) 17 10 2 5 25 19 6 1.47 1.11 1.88 32
4 Charlton (7) 16 7 4 5 19 15 4 1.18 0.93 1.56 25
5 Blackburn(15)17 6 4 7 25 27 -2 1.47 1.58 1.29 22
6 Bolton (12) 17 6 3 8 20 33 -13 1.17 1.94 1. 21
7 Liverpool (4) 17 4 8 5 22 22 0 1.29 1.29 1.17 20
8 Middlesbrough (11) 17 5 5 7 18 22 -4 1.05 1.29 1.17 20
9 Aston Villa (6) 17 5 4 8 21 23 -2 1.23 1.35 1.11 19
10 Birmingham (8) 17 4 7 6 16 23 -7 0.94 1.35 1.11 19
11 Southampton(9)17 4 5 8 19 22 -3 1.11 1.29 1.00 17
12 Fulham (10) 17 4 5 8 20 24 -4 1.17 1.41 1.00 17
13 Manchester Ci(17) 17 4 4 9 22 27 -5 1.29 1.58 0.94 16
14 Newcastle U (5) 16 2 10 4 15 21 -6 0.93 1.31 1.0 16
15 Leicester City (19) 17 3 4 10 26 33 -7 1.52 1.94 0.76 13
16 Tottenham (14) 17 3 2 12 12 29 -17 0.70 1.70 0.64 11
17 Leeds United (18) 17 3 2 12 14 43 -29 0.82 2.52 0.64 11
18 Everton (13) 17 1 7 9 16 30 -14 0.94 1.76 0.58 10
19 Portsmouth (16) 17 1 5 11 9 31 -22 0.52 1.82 0.47 8
20 Wolverhampton(20)17 0 5 12 12 39 -27 0.70 2.29 0.29 5

This seems to prove that our away form is even worse than our home form.What was your point again Stu?

by **JBG** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 12:48 pm

The usual Stu line here.........

The "fair weather" fans who mumble and groan the minute things go against us are really those people responsible for our terrible form.

Absolutely nothing to do with the baord, Gerard Houllier or some of the rubbish excuses for players we have Stu?

Everytime it becomes patently obvious to sensible fans that Houllier is going to destroy our club with his stubborness (i.e. we get one point from 3 games at an absolutely crucial stage of the season) Stu goes on the offensive and starts blaming those fans that complain about the situation.

Even Jamie Carragher said today on Sky Sports that the players deserve all the criticism and booing they get and that if he was in the stands he would be booing himself.

by **115-1073096938** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 12:54 pm

Now greedred.. can u put up the home stats aswell?

If we had as good a home record as newcastle.... were would we be then?

Hmmm.

Leon... i agree with it all mate as sad as it is.

Its a sad state of affairs. I also agree wholeheartedly about having something to sing about. We should sing about the fact we're THE most successful club and sing about the players we have. We shouldn't need an excuse to sing about our club.... look at the portsmouth fans... what have they got to cheer about? or the wolves fans? If we followed there example we'd be in a lot better position than the one we currently find our selves in.

by **ICE-MAN** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 12:58 pm

WE NEED TO START SINGING AND ENCOURAGING EACH AND EVERY PLAYER, ESPECIALLY AGAINST A TEAM LIKE BORO AT HOME, THEY ARE THE MOST FRUSTRATING ba#ta#ds WHO COME TO ANFIELD AND SIT 11 MEN BEHIND THE BALL!

SING SING SING :cool:

by **115-1073096938** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 12:58 pm

The "fair weather" fans who mumble and groan the minute things go against us are really those people responsible for our terrible form.

JBG you're missing the point of what i'm saying. 5 away defeats and 5 at home says it all.

You should pick up more points at home no matter who you are. We barely do. Its pretty equal.

All i am saying if the fans did actually support then it would be better for the team and of course it would help.

Anyone who doesn't think thats not a hinderance is clearly ignoring the truth. The fulham game is a prime example. The effort was enough to win any game, there was no confidence though and alot of nervousness. wonder why?

by **greenred** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 12:59 pm

Home stats:

Team Pld W D L F A GD GFA GAA ppg pts
1 Arsenal (1) 17 14 3 0 38 13 25 2.23 0.76 2.64 45
2 Man Utd (3)16 11 3 2 34 13 21 2.12 0.81 2.25 36
3 Newcastl(5)17 10 4 3 30 12 18 1.76 0.70 2.00 34
4 Chelsea (2) 17 10 4 3 29 13 16 1.70 0.76 2.00 34
5 Liverpool (4)17 9 3 5 26 14 12 1.52 0.82 1.76 30
6 Aston Villa(6)17 8 6 3 23 17 6 1.35 1.00 1.76 30
7 Portsmouth(16)16 9 2 5 28 16 12 1.75 1.00 1.81 29
8 Everton (13)17 8 5 4 26 17 9 1.52 1.00 1.70 29
9 Southampton(9)16 8 4 4 19 11 8 1.18 0.68 1.75 28
10 Fulham (10) 17 8 4 5 27 20 7 1.58 1.17 1.64 28
11 Birmingham (8) 17 8 4 5 24 19 5 1.41 1.11 1.64 28
12 Tottenham (14) 17 8 3 6 30 25 5 1.76 1.47 1.58 27
13 Middlesbrough(11) 17 7 4 6 22 20 2 1.29 1.17 1.47 25
14 Bolton (12) 17 5 8 4 20 18 2 1.17 1.05 1.35 23
15 Charlton Ath(7) 17 6 5 6 25 26 -1 1.47 1.52 1.35 23
16 Wolverhampton(20) 17 6 5 6 21 32 -11 1.23 1.88 1.35 23
17 Leeds United (18) 17 5 6 6 21 26 -5 1.23 1.52 1.23 21
18 Manchester City (17) 17 3 9 5 25 23 2 1.47 1.35 1.05 18
19 Blackburn (15) 17 4 3 10 23 30 -7 1.35 1.76 0.88 15
20 Leicester City (19) 17 2 9 6 15 26 -11 0.88 1.52 0.88 15

We are four points worse off than Newcastle with them still to play at Anfield.Nothing in it really.Overall,our home record is pretty good in comparison to other premiership teams.However,our away record is bettered by Bolton,Blackburn,Charlton and equalled by Boro.

by **Big Niall** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 3:48 pm

personally I think the fans should start chanting for Houllier to be sacked. It won't be a nice athmosphere but maybe then the useless arogant pr##k will come out of denial about how s##t he has made the club.

Supporting the team playing s##t out on the pitch is supporting GH and will get him another year to make us a team challenging for a place in the UEFA cup.

by **Scottbot** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 4:21 pm

I see where you are coming from with regards to the 'out of town fans'. I live in Winchester on the south coast and i consider it to be a real treat on the 5/6 occasions a year i get up to Anfield to cheer my team. I can say 'hand on heart' i come to the games to sing, cheer and support the team and consider it a waste of a day to stand in the crowd screaming abuse at the players. However, On Saturday the anfield Rd end was full of 'out of town' fans. The 3 guys sat next to me were more intersted in taking pictures with their mobile phones, didn't make a sound + i'm not even sure they managed a chorus of YNWA.

The atmosphere at games has deteriated as the seaosn has gone on this. even the Pompey game (league) which we led 3-0 within an hour did little to inspire the crowd.

However, it is crazy to point the finger at the fans for our stumbling form this past 2 years. The finger points in only one direction. It may not be easy to motivate players to perform in front of a demanding crowd but never the less, that is Houlliers job to do so.

If the board are crazy enough to keep Houllier on next season they are taking a MASSIVE risk because 2 or 3 bad results early doors and the Anfield crowd will be as apathetic as it is now. They are playing with fire if they keep Houllier.

Even you must see that Stu?

by **Coley** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 4:47 pm

Leonmc0708 you can't blame out of towners for the team losing. Our team should be good enough to win atmosphere or no. ManUre haven't always had loads of atmosphere over the last 10 years of domination (and have probalby more out of towners) but still get results.

I'm from Preston and go to as many games as i can afford, but it doesn't mean i don't know the songs etc or support the team.

by **JBG** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 5:00 pm

I don't want to get on your case Stu and I do understand your point about the lack of atmosphere at Anfield lately.

However, I think its a problem that goes a long way back, even when things were great under Houllier.

I know the European nights were very special in 2001 and 2002 and the atmosphere was absolutely electric, but that year there was some strange episodes at Anfield in the league.

I always remember one game at Anfield that season where we beat Newcastle 3-0 with Owen getting a hattrick and Babbel and Carragher were outstanding at full back. However, we gave a fairly disjointed first half showing with Smicer guilty of some really poor play. The game picked up and we wiped the floor with the Barcodes. However, despite the roar when the players came out for the kick off, the roar when we scored and the singing at the end, the crowd was absolutely silent for 80 of the 90 minutes, and the 3 or 4000 Geordies completely and utterly shouted us out of it. I remember singing at the end and there were about four rows in front and behind me where people were just talking about the pub or what was on Cornation Street the night before!!

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