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by **bigmick** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:20 pm

This is an absolutely massive match for us. A heavy defeat (and don't laugh, it is very possible) and the clamour for something to happen at the club will become deafening. A defeat would have the tabloids running all sorts of stories about the crisis within Anfield. Even a draw would be painted as a disaster and I wouldn't necessarily disagree. It's a game we need to win.

So what do you do. First you accept the fact that we are playing absolutely terrible and that our confidence is shot to pieces. You accept we are in crisis mode and you fall back on your best players, the ones you can hang your hat on. No squad rotation for this one, it's a cup final.

You look at West Ham and know that Reo-coker is going to work his nuts off in midfield. Have a look at this kid, those of us who like a box to box midfielder rate this lad. Had we have had a couple like him last night we would have won. You know that Harewood and probably Zamora will be strong and direct. Harewood is better than many give him credit for and his pace, power and mobility will cause us problems I'm sure. You know they won't come and shut up shop, that's not Pardews way. They will go for it and we'd better be up for it or we will definately get beat. You pick your best team, this is mine based on current form.
Reina
Finnan Carragher Hyppia Riise
Sissoko Gerrard Alonso Kewell
Garcia Cisse

I've got a revolutionary idea aswell. If we win, hows about we try the same line-up for the next game aswell? You never know, it might just work.

by **andy_g** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:27 pm

is right, mick. talk about a pressure game! just about every team in the premiership is going to be dying to play us now whether its at anfield or not thinking there's points for the taking. west ham are no pushover and have a great mixture of experience, youth and enthusiasm. i'd be imagining sheringham will start against us and whatever you think about him he's a b.loody clever player and can do us damage.

i'd go along with the team you suggest but put pongo in for sissoko on the right. momo had a bit of a stinker against fulham and pongo is raring to go, he's also much better at going past a man as far as i'm concerned. we have to go out with an attacking line up and play at a fast pace. an early goal would be an absolute godsend.

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by **drummerphil** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:39 pm

definately is a must win and we should do,if this was at West Ham though i wouldnt be so positive........and it hurts me very much to say that

by **dward** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:42 pm

i can see us losing by a few goals but I really hope it doesn't work out that way....

Gott helfen uns!
De god helpt ons!
Dieu nous aident!
Il dio li aiuta!
O deus ajuda-nos!
¡El dios nos ayuda!

by **Dundalk** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:43 pm

And your right drummerphil, even though it is west ham we are certainly not guarenteed 3 points. Our 2 victories in the leauge this year were against 2 teams with 10 men and goals from free kicks

by **kazza** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:47 pm

I do think we will win (I am not being optamistic either, when ever they talk about Liverpool losing we seem to play our best) but I think it will be a 1-0 and our problems will still be same. I really think there is some bad blood in the team because they are not playing for each other and it is really showing. Just like winning is contageous, so is losing and no passion. I think it just needs a spark but it does not seem to be happening. Let's hope we beat the hammers 7-0 and it all turns good.

by **A.B.** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:20 pm

Pressure is needed imo. The players have been in ''pedestrian'' mode thus far and they need to step it up a couple of gears.

This team is not perfect but we all know what they're capable of,we've seen it in the Champions League and hell we've even seen it in the league last year. For instance, we played Arsenal off the park at home, with only Mellor up front. Formation not working is not an execuse or a reason. It's simply down to the mentality of the players.

They can perform, but it's all in their heads. A good mentality is a major part of football.

by **Hotrod** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:23 pm

Reina
Finnan Carragher Hyppia Riise
Sissoko Gerrard Alonso Kewell
Garcia Cisse

I've got a revolutionary idea aswell. If we win, hows about we try the same line-up for the next game aswell? You never know, it might just work.

well said mickey only difference i would see is maybe garcia for crouch or even pongolle to give them a real go coz they have fast centre backs and maybe some1 like crouch can get some glory agaisnt them he can really bully them. Like u said a win would do us great i cant actually wait tos ee how we play this game starting to have a bit of confidance maybe kewell can get a goal him and gerrard were bright sparks yesterday

by **66-1120597113** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:23 pm

No doubt Raffa will come up with a scientific long thought theory as to how we will beat the by far inferior west ham...
The question is will the players understand him and if not will they ask him to explain or nod in agreement in fear of getting dropped
It seems to me there is no understanding atal in the camp.Id also say that a lot more players than we think are frustrated and angry at constant tinkering in players and tactics.
Everyone keeps saying its ok raffa won 2 leagues in spain......this is not fuc,kin spain

Or he won the C/L last season.......we are talking about the epl here,a different kettle of fish altogether

Its all well and good knowing what you are doing and where you are going,but its fuc,king hard to get there when you are the only one that can understand.....apart from Paco.. :cool:

by **Hotrod** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:24 pm

calm down mate rafa will get the team to come good

by **A.B.** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:26 pm

BarryBelfast wrote:No doubt Raffa will come up with a scientific long thought theory as to how we will beat the by far inferior west ham...
The question is will the players understand him and if not will they ask him to explain or nod in agreement in fear of getting dropped
It seems to me there is no understanding atal in the camp.Id also say that a lot more players than we think are frustrated and angry at constant tinkering in players and tactics.
Everyone keeps saying its ok raffa won 2 leagues in spain......this is not fuc,kin spain

Or he won the C/L last season.......we are talking about the epl here,a different kettle of fish altogether

Its all well and good knowing what you are doing and where you are going,but its fuc,king hard to get there when you are the only one that can understand.....apart from Paco..

What?

Are you a fly on the wall in the locker room? How do you know that the player's don't understand his tactics. Are these the same players who apparently don't understand his tactics but somehow understand his tactics in Europe and in certain games in the league?

Your arguement is bullsh1t. It's not a matter of understanding, it's a matter of having the right mentality to be able to do what you do for a living at the best of your abilities.

by **Dundalk** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:30 pm

A.B. wrote:
BarryBelfast wrote:No doubt Raffa will come up with a scientific long thought theory as to how we will beat the by far inferior west ham...
The question is will the players understand him and if not will they ask him to explain or nod in agreement in fear of getting dropped
It seems to me there is no understanding atal in the camp.Id also say that a lot more players than we think are frustrated and angry at constant tinkering in players and tactics.
Everyone keeps saying its ok raffa won 2 leagues in spain......this is not fuc,kin spain

Or he won the C/L last season.......we are talking about the epl here,a different kettle of fish altogether

Its all well and good knowing what you are doing and where you are going,but its fuc,king hard to get there when you are the only one that can understand.....apart from Paco..

What?

Are you a fly on the wall in the locker room? How do you know that the player's don't understand his tactics. Are these the same players who apparently don't understand his tactics but somehow understand his tactics in Europe and in certain games in the league?

Your arguement is bullsh1t. It's not a matter of understanding, it's a matter of having the right mentality to be able to do what you do for a living at the best of your abilities.

Meeooooow

by **RUSHIE#9** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:55 pm

KAZZA"Let's hope we beat the hammers 7-0 and it all turns good."

I have a feeling that the lads will finally put some form of performance in on saturday 'cos no matter what the 'sack raffa' muppets are saying on here i think watching him on sky after the palace game it was plain to see that he wasn't happy with the players and i reckon after the interview was done he went back in that dressing room and tore every one of his players' a new a.rse-h0le for not just last nights display but for the way they have been playing recently.

On saturday i'd like to see a team a little along the lines of the following:-

REINA

FINNAN CARRAGHER HYYPIA WARNOCK

PONGOLLE GERRARD ALONSO KEWELL/RIISE
\
\ GARCIA
\ CISSE

Garcia maybe a bit of a gamble at the moment as he looks very low on confidence but he is so unpredictable that i think it's worth giving him a go 'cos he is more likely to make an impact than either Crouch or Morientes.

Whatever happens though on saturday in terms of the team selection anyone that is going to the match you need to be vocal and nail your colours to the mast and really get behind the lads for 90 minutes and not be like some of the negative knobs on here who seem to only be interested in talking about liverpool when they can have a good moan!!!!

COME ON YOU RED MEN.

AND FOR FFS YOU LAZY AR.SED PLAYERS PULL YOUR FINGERS OUT YER ARS3S AND PUT IN A PERFORMANCE FOR YOUR FANS AND MANAGER!!!

by **66-1120597113** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:31 pm

A.B. wrote:
BarryBelfast wrote:No doubt Raffa will come up with a scientific long thought theory as to how we will beat the by far inferior west ham...
The question is will the players understand him and if not will they ask him to explain or nod in agreement in fear of getting dropped
It seems to me there is no understanding atal in the camp.Id also say that a lot more players than we think are frustrated and angry at constant tinkering in players and tactics.
Everyone keeps saying its ok raffa won 2 leagues in spain......this is not fuc,kin spain

Or he won the C/L last season.......we are talking about the epl here,a different kettle of fish altogether

Its all well and good knowing what you are doing and where you are going,but its fuc,king hard to get there when you are the only one that can understand.....apart from Paco..

What?

Are you a fly on the wall in the locker room? How do you know that the player's don't understand his tactics. Are these the same players who apparently don't understand his tactics but somehow understand his tactics in Europe and in certain games in the league?

Your arguement is bullsh1t. It's not a matter of understanding, it's a matter of having the right mentality to be able to do what you do for a living at the best of your abilities.

A.B there is a huge contrast between the epl and the c/l which i dont think needs highlighted..
Benitez as a manager is vastly more suited to the more tactical and patient c/l encounter when i'd go as far to say he's genius as was proven last season.

In contrast all this raffa is god shi.te is making me ill....So far he has failed to grasp the passion of our league or the fact that being Liverpool is not enough to beat so called inferior sides.
To be liverpool and play like liverpool we need to think like liverpool from the top down and back up again......not like some new tried and tested failsafe plan that worked in spain.
welcome to england raffa and the best league in the world

PROVE YOURSELF

by **JC_81** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 11:23 pm

Absolutely must win this game, no question.

:censored:

trying to pick a team that will succeed against west ham's tactics, just put out our strongest side and turn them over. No Djimi 'the fu.cking liability' Traore, no Luis 'so out of form it's not true' Garcia and no Morientes for this one.

Reina

Finnan Carra Hyypia Warnock

Gerrard Sissoko Alonso Kewell

Crouch Cisse

Sissoko has to play central, Gerrard has to play wide because there's no one else versatile enough to play there and surprisingly Kewell has actually looked one of our better players recently. Crouch and Cisse have barely played together, give them a chance.

I'm not going to over-analyze this one. Screw formations, screw tactics, the only thing that's going to win this one for us is a bit of fight and passion, something that hasn't been shown nearly enough recently and something that the team OWE us right now.

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