Liverpool FC Forum

[lakes10]

west ham will come at us, if they do then we will walk all over them.

[A.B.]

A.B there is a huge contrast between the epl and the c/l which i dont think needs highlighted..
Benitez as a manager is vastly more suited to the more  tactical and patient c/l encounter when i'd go as far to say he's genius as was proven last season.

In contrast all this raffa is god shi.te is making me ill....So  far he has failed to grasp the passion of our league or the fact that being Liverpool is not enough to beat so called inferior sides.
To be liverpool and play like liverpool we need to think like liverpool from the top down and back up again......not like some new tried and tested failsafe plan that worked in spain.
welcome to england raffa and the best league in the world

PROVE YOURSELF

A.B there is a huge contrast between the epl and the c/l which i dont think needs highlighted..
Benitez as a manager is vastly more suited to the more  tactical and patient c/l encounter when i'd go as far to say he's genius as was proven last season.

Nothing gets past you does it?

In contrast all this raffa is god shi.te is making me ill....So  far he has failed to grasp the passion of our league or the fact that being Liverpool is not enough to beat so called inferior sides.
To be liverpool and play like liverpool we need to think like liverpool from the top down and back up again......not like some new tried and tested failsafe plan that worked in spain.
welcome to england raffa and the best league in the world

PROVE YOURSELF

Prove myself? Stop with the childish nonsense.

We weren't 'good' in the CL until we got past Olympiakos. The players mentality is the main problem not the players not being able to understand Benitez's tactics.

I am not just talking about Europe. Last season we played against Arsenal at home, we outplayed them and won. How do you think we managed to do that? It would be impossible to do that if the players didn't understand Rafa's tactics.

We played 4-5-1, a weak side as far as attacking is concerned,with Mellor up front. We outplayed them, we gave them no time on the ball, we pressured them. How do you think we did that? It's simple, the players understood the tactics.

We did it against Chelsea at Anfield in the League as well. We were all over them, they had two shots on goal and one of them was the winner. Did they deserve to win that game? No, we had most of the possession, most of the chances. The only thing that stood in our way was Mike Riley.

The point is that the players are capable of performing, it's all about mentality, a bit more than ability at certain times. They've perfomed before but the key is to do it consistantly. In order to accomplish that the team,the players have to have a good mentality something that Benitez has been reitarating since he's arrived.

Look at Everton, last season half of the Premiership had a better side than them on paper. But that didn't stop them from finishing  in the top four. Why? They had the team mentality. Call it a "one off" if you want but they were able to keep a good mentality for most of the Premiership campaign.

[JohnBull]

I really think that the "must win" situation has already gone - The present state is worse than that.



DON'T BLAME RAFFA

[A.B.]

For the record, Gerrard has already said that the players should take the blame and I couldn't agree more.

[The_Rock]

Sissoko has to play central, Gerrard has to play wide because there's no one else versatile enough to play there and surprisingly Kewell has actually looked one of our better players recently.  Crouch and Cisse have barely played together, give them a chance.

Finally someone agress with me.....    Gerrard has to play RW until january (at the very least).

I will also put riise at left back....cos with kewell at LW riise won't have much defending to do, as kewell will be running rings around west ham defence 

And also moro seems to be getting better with each match...can't say the same for "the big slow"........


                     Reina
  Finnan    Carra    Hyppia   Riise
  Gerrard   Sissoko  Alonso  Kewell
                    Cisse  (better with the ball to his feet than with his back towards goal...)
                    Moro

[The Manhattan Project]

The realistic target for Liverpool this season (4th Place) is currently nine points away.

The next three games are essential, against average to weak sides, West Ham, Aston Villa and Portsmouth.

Three wins are required. Three strong performances.

Before we fall further behind. We MUST start getting some goals. An attacking approach is needed against those teams. Defending, defending, defending will result in yet another draw, or a defeat when the other side inevitably finds a way through.

LFC currently need a kick up the .

[66-1120597113]

A.B there is a huge contrast between the epl and the c/l which i dont think needs highlighted..
Benitez as a manager is vastly more suited to the more  tactical and patient c/l encounter when i'd go as far to say he's genius as was proven last season.

In contrast all this raffa is god shi.te is making me ill....So  far he has failed to grasp the passion of our league or the fact that being Liverpool is not enough to beat so called inferior sides.
To be liverpool and play like liverpool we need to think like liverpool from the top down and back up again......not like some new tried and tested failsafe plan that worked in spain.
welcome to england raffa and the best league in the world

PROVE YOURSELF

A.B there is a huge contrast between the epl and the c/l which i dont think needs highlighted..
Benitez as a manager is vastly more suited to the more  tactical and patient c/l encounter when i'd go as far to say he's genius as was proven last season.

Nothing gets past you does it?

In contrast all this raffa is god shi.te is making me ill....So  far he has failed to grasp the passion of our league or the fact that being Liverpool is not enough to beat so called inferior sides.
To be liverpool and play like liverpool we need to think like liverpool from the top down and back up again......not like some new tried and tested failsafe plan that worked in spain.
welcome to england raffa and the best league in the world

PROVE YOURSELF

Prove myself? Stop with the childish nonsense.

We weren't 'good' in the CL until we got past Olympiakos. The players mentality is the main problem not the players not being able to understand Benitez's tactics.

I am not just talking about Europe. Last season we played against Arsenal at home, we outplayed them and won. How do you think we managed to do that? It would be impossible to do that if the players didn't understand Rafa's tactics.

We played 4-5-1, a weak side as far as attacking is concerned,with Mellor up front. We outplayed them, we gave them no time on the ball, we pressured them. How do you think we did that? It's simple, the players understood the tactics.

We did it against Chelsea at Anfield in the League as well. We were all over them, they had two shots on goal and one of them was the winner. Did they deserve to win that game? No, we had most of the possession, most of the chances. The only thing that stood in our way was Mike Riley.

The point is that the players are capable of performing, it's all about mentality, a bit more than ability at certain times. They've perfomed before but the key is to do it consistantly. In order to accomplish that the team,the players have to have a good mentality something that Benitez has been reitarating since he's arrived.

Look at Everton, last season half of the Premiership had a better side than them on paper. But that didn't stop them from finishing  in the top four. Why? They had the team mentality. Call it a "one off" if you want but they were able to keep a good mentality for most of the Premiership campaign.

  I meant raffa needs to prove himself ya plum
not you

[66-1120597113]

For the record, Gerrard has already said that the players should take the blame and I couldn't agree more.

Yeah thats right...players pick themselves every week,carrra  rested himslf against palace and traore brought himself on to win the game...
Gerrard is simply doing what any good  captain would do in providig a smokescreen to take the pressure off the manager.

[DZed]

This is our best side at the moment. I would feel fairly confident of this selection beating most sides. Just need the confidence.

                                  Reina

Finnan          Carragher            Hyypia               Riise

Hamann                        Alonso               Kewell
                 Gerrard 
     
                       Garcia
                                           Cisse


Reina - Obvious choice, but it would be interesting if the return of Dudek would be a confidence boost for the team. The guy who was the single most important play that unbelievable night.

Finnan - Not great but is a whole lot better than that Mickey Mouse piece of Josemi.

Carragher - Obvious. Perhaps our best player? He is without a shadow of a doubt the backbone of our defence.

Hyypia - Obvious. Our other main guy at the back who, while slow, can hold his own. He's terrific in the air and a good passer of the ball.

Riise - Perhaps Warnock? So far this season Riise has been very inconsistent. One game he's our best player on the pitch, the next our worst. When he is on, he is fantastic. FACT. Pretty good as a leftback but a real threat on the left wing with his crossing and shots. But when he is off, well he's just OFF!

Hanmann - I like Sissoko a lot. He's a skillful player who gets dug in and really adds to the midfield. The problem is Sissoko is still very young and in my opinion not as good as Hanmann. Hanmann is class, FACT! Don't get me wrong Sissoko is an ideal replacement and there's doubt no in my mind that in a couple of years he could be one of the best players in the Premiership. But right now we need to have Hanmann's experience. He's one of our longest serving players that could instill confidence with his wisdom, while at the same time play a nice passing game.

Gerrard - Capitain. Seems the one most likely to score for us. Best midfielder in world when he's completely on his game and still one of the best in the Premiership when he's not so much. Challenges for everything and he's one of those players that others thrive off. He can control the midfield while at the same time pushing forward through his intuitive passing and crossing of the ball.

Alsono - So creative, and up there with being one of the best midfielders in the Premiership. This guy can slice a defence wide open at times. He also is good at taking free-kicks.

Kewell - Looks like one of our best players right now. He has only just started playing again to. I've always had confidence in. If he carrys on the way he is going, while improving his match fitness, then he will be awesome.

Garcia - Inconsistent much like Riise. He can be sublime at times and then ridiculous. This is most characteristic of his shots. He does have some lovely skill though and can dribble well. He just loses possession too much.

Ciise - Our only striker it seems at the moment. Should be starting every game because he can be very dangerous especially with his pace. Rafa needs to stop dicking around by using him on the right for Crouch and Morientes. FU<k EM. Ciisse will score for us. Crouch and Morientes should always play second fiddle to him.

[SouthCoastShankly]

For the record, Gerrard has already said that the players should take the blame and I couldn't agree more.

Yeah thats right...players pick themselves every week,carrra  rested himslf against palace and traore brought himself on to win the game...
Gerrard is simply doing what any good  captain would do in providig a smokescreen to take the pressure off the manager.

Thats the biggest load of bollox i've ever heard. Gerrard has always been loyal but when he says the players are to blame its true. We had enough quality on the pitch on tuesday to beat palace, if have the chances we created were converted we'd on beaten them easily.

I agree some players need to look at whether they want to play for a team like liverpool, our expectations are high and so they should be. Team chemistry and more importantly unity are the more important than individuality

[wrighty (not mark!)]

This is our best side at the moment. I would feel fairly confident of this selection beating most sides. Just need the confidence.

                                  Reina

Finnan          Carragher            Hyypia               Riise

Hamann                        Alonso               Kewell
                 Gerrard 
     
                       Garcia
                                           Cisse


Reina - Obvious choice, but it would be interesting if the return of Dudek would be a confidence boost for the team. The guy who was the single most important play that unbelievable night.

Finnan - Not great but is a whole lot better than that Mickey Mouse piece of Josemi.

Carragher - Obvious. Perhaps our best player? He is without a shadow of a doubt the backbone of our defence.

Hyypia - Obvious. Our other main guy at the back who, while slow, can hold his own. He's terrific in the air and a good passer of the ball.

Riise - Perhaps Warnock? So far this season Riise has been very inconsistent. One game he's our best player on the pitch, the next our worst. When he is on, he is fantastic. FACT. Pretty good as a leftback but a real threat on the left wing with his crossing and shots. But when he is off, well he's just OFF!

Hanmann - I like Sissoko a lot. He's a skillful player who gets dug in and really adds to the midfield. The problem is Sissoko is still very young and in my opinion not as good as Hanmann. Hanmann is class, FACT! Don't get me wrong Sissoko is an ideal replacement and there's doubt no in my mind that in a couple of years he could be one of the best players in the Premiership. But right now we need to have Hanmann's experience. He's one of our longest serving players that could instill confidence with his wisdom, while at the same time play a nice passing game.

Gerrard - Capitain. Seems the one most likely to score for us. Best midfielder in world when he's completely on his game and still one of the best in the Premiership when he's not so much. Challenges for everything and he's one of those players that others thrive off. He can control the midfield while at the same time pushing forward through his intuitive passing and crossing of the ball.

Alsono - So creative, and up there with being one of the best midfielders in the Premiership. This guy can slice a defence wide open at times. He also is good at taking free-kicks.

Kewell - Looks like one of our best players right now. He has only just started playing again to. I've always had confidence in. If he carrys on the way he is going, while improving his match fitness, then he will be awesome.

Garcia - Inconsistent much like Riise. He can be sublime at times and then ridiculous. This is most characteristic of his shots. He does have some lovely skill though and can dribble well. He just loses possession too much.

Ciise - Our only striker it seems at the moment. Should be starting every game because he can be very dangerous especially with his pace. Rafa needs to stop dicking around by using him on the right for Crouch and Morientes. FU<k EM. Ciisse will score for us. Crouch and Morientes should always play second fiddle to him.

I liked some of the things what you had to say there mate,but one thing. I don't think hamann is capable of being a right winger at all. Unless you are using him to stifle the opposition left winger?

If not, how about swapping him round with gerrard? May look a bit more balanced. Think about this. Hamann breaking up the attacks and Alonso spreading the play with Gerrard and Kewell bursting down the flanks and Garcia and Cisse lurking..... Then my friend I think you could be on to something 

[hawkmoon269]

I definitely think you will see a massively transformed team against West Ham - one with aggression/committment.  I think Stevie's comments after the Palace game will hit home amoungst the players.

[wrighty (not mark!)]

I definitely think you will see a massively transformed team against West Ham - one with aggression/committment.  I think Stevie's comments after the Palace game will hit home amoungst the players.

I hope so mate. You got to have faith. We are not in a full blown crisis yet, and we are only a couple of wins away from getting into the top 4. Far too often, i have seen us waste those games in hand that we have had in the past.

Key word you mentioned Hawkmoon......Aggression.

[hawkmoon269]

I definitely think you will see a massively transformed team against West Ham - one with aggression/committment.  I think Stevie's comments after the Palace game will hit home amoungst the players.

I hope so mate. You got to have faith. We are not in a full blown crisis yet, and we are only a couple of wins away from getting into the top 4. Far too often, i have seen us waste those games in hand that we have had in the past.

Key word you mentioned Hawkmoon......Aggression.

And commitment.  I think an lot of the traditions on which Liverpool FC was grounded have been lost.  It appears that the players no longer play for the fans and shirt, but are more interested in the amount of money they earn.  The epitomy of the decline is shown by the number of players who do not touch the "This is Anfield" sign on the way to the pitch.  OK, in itself this is a small insignificant thing, and doesn't directly effect the outcome of a game, but for me its a indicator of how things have changed.

[chubs]

time to stop playing a striker with back to goal and show we dont need a long ball option.go with cisse and garcia.hammer the hammers!